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Pointless!!

So what's the point? Of course 10.5 sales are high in the month it comes out, everyone having a PC has already upgraded to vista (or decided never to do so). New versions of vista are mostly sold OEM with PCs now. The only real comparison would be vista in the month it came out with 10.5.
 
What the Japanese says

The article states that Leopard, including single user and family pack licenses, has the #1 spot in OS market share at 53.9%. The article also talks a bit about how Leopard's release was delayed.
 
... I'm surprised on how behind Japan is with their adoption of new technology for business. ...

I have worked for a Japanese company for thirteen years- we recently upgraded to Office 2003. We use a five year old version of Lotus Notes. We only upgraded to Windows XP because M$ stopped supporting Windows 98!

I'm surprised we have color laser printers. How modern!

The Powers That Be in my company are very cautious about adopting the latest releases of anything before someone else has worked out all the kinks. Trouble is, once we adopt something, it gets updated again!

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto :rolleyes:
 
There are two distinct and separate metrics being reported here.

1. Year on year growth - The article's statement that "sales shot up between September and October, climbing from a rate of 15.5 per cent year on year to 60.5 per cent," means this:

In September, sales were 15.5% higher than the same month last year.
In October, sales were 60% higher than in the same month last year.


* The operative words here are "year on year"


2. Market share - The words "sales accounted for 53.9 per cent of the total OS-only market in Japan" are referring to OS X sales as a percentage of total OS sales (excluding OEM bundling).

* The operative words here are "per cent of the total"
 
Why is this impressive for Apple?

They are comparing the sales for the first week of release of Leopard vs. around the 35th week of Vista.

What would be more interesting would be to compare the first week of Leopard vs. the first week of Vista.

Or else perhaps comparing the two sales for a week in a few months after early adopters have already had their chances to buy it.

The story as stated though is very highly skewed and uninformative. I would assume that the week that Tiger was released it outsold XP by a pretty decent margin.
Right on the mark! Of course Leopard is going to sell more the week it comes out. This isn't even news.
 
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The article also says that OSX took the top slot when Tiger was released, so this doesn't reflect future sales. What's more amazing is that when sales are broken down by manufacturer, Mac computer sales had a 60.7% market share.

Edit: My mistake, apparently the different numbers are coming from some home-grown Japanese OSes thrown in there, not hardware manufacturers.
 
This is not what the article says. It says sales growth went up 60.5%, not that they had a 60.5% market share.

Agreed.

Does this mean that sales of stand alone copies of the OS increased to 60.5%, or does this mean overall computer sales?

I'd be really surprised if this meant that Apple has a 60.5% market share, including OEM licences and new computer sales...
 
There are two distinct and separate metrics being reported here.

1. Year on year growth - The article's statement that "sales shot up between September and October, climbing from a rate of 15.5 per cent year on year to 60.5 per cent," means this:

In September, sales were 15.5% higher than the same month last year.
In October, sales were 60% higher than in the same month last year.


* The operative words here are "year on year"


2. Market share - The words "sales accounted for 53.9 per cent of the total OS-only market in Japan" are referring to OS X sales as a percentage of total OS sales (excluding OEM bundling).

* The operative words here are "per cent of the total"

I believe the article says Macs went from 15.5% share of the computer market last month to 60.7% market share.
 
not a fair statistic, I hate to say.
VISTA has had all the wind let out of its bag-its been out nearly a year and the word is in: IT SUCKS. Heck-my very own OS (Meow 1.0) could probably outsell VISTA right now.
Whereas 10.5 is fresh on the scene.
If APPLE can keep this lead up over the next 12 months, then were in the money...
 
It is impressive because because the Mac OS has never outsold the Microsoft equivalent. In that regard it is news. It is not what we are comparing but the simple fact that Apple actually have outsold Windows for once.

This in itself is not that impressive but shows that Apples marketshare has increased enough to be able to do it at all.
 
So, where are the PCzoids NOW? Any still lurking in this forum? Windows is OVER. AND OUT. Only PCfanboys fail to see the reality. And this without counting that Japan has been a DISAPPOINTMENT for Apple sales in years...

Fact: Vista is a piece of crap and cannot even be compared to Leopard.

GO APPLE!
 
Agreed.

Does this mean that sales of stand alone copies of the OS increased to 60.5%, or does this mean overall computer sales?

I'd be really surprised if this meant that Apple has a 60.5% market share, including OEM licences and new computer sales...

The article is looking at stand alone copies.
 
Obviously that's a bunch of people who were waiting for a while for the Leopard release. Wonder how many of those people already had Tiger.
 
So, where are the PCzoids NOW? Any still lurking in this forum? Windows is OVER. AND OUT. Only PCfanboys fail to see the reality. And this without counting that Japan has been a DISAPPOINTMENT for Apple sales in years...

Fact: Vista is a piece of crap and cannot even be compared to Leopard.

GO APPLE!

Wow, I guess Microsoft should just pack up shop right now. What's important is they tried, eh?
 
So, where are the PCzoids NOW? Any still lurking in this forum? Windows is OVER. AND OUT. Only PCfanboys fail to see the reality. And this without counting that Japan has been a DISAPPOINTMENT for Apple sales in years...

Fact: Vista is a piece of crap and cannot even be compared to Leopard.

GO APPLE!

How eloquently and modestly spoken as just another fanboi. Bravo, OS X’s total market share has shot up to 8.8% by these sales. :rolleyes:
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Apple have a HUGE share of the Japanese OS market as recently as the mid-to-late 90s?

Like, way over 50%?

(For all I know, they still do, but I assumed it had fallen into the 20% range in the 00s...)
 
Why is this impressive for Apple?

I think this would have been the first time ever that a retail version of a Mac OS has out-sold a retail version of Windows, at any time... no matter how new or old either OS is.
I'm sure even Windows ME still out-sold Mac OS X 10.0 even when Windows ME was about half a year old when Mac OS X 10.0 was introduced...
 
Woo go :apple: i love my mac, my ipod touch and leopard. Watchout you PC lovers.. mac is in town!
 
I believe the article says Macs went from 15.5% share of the computer market last month to 60.7% market share.

That is not what the article says. Read my response again. They're talking about year-on-year growth. The important point here is that the percentage they're expressing, if year-on-year, is not indicative of what the sales are as a percentage of total (and they're not talking about Mac sales, but Mac OS sales, btw).

When we talk about year-on-year sales growth, we're talking about the growth in sales expressed as a percentage of the same product's previous year's volume, not as a percentage of the market.

Imagine that in September of 2006 they sold 100 copies of OS X.
15% year on year growth would mean in September of 2007 they sold 115 copies.

Now imagine that in October of 2006 they sold 200 copies of OS X.
60% year on year growth would mean that in October of 2007 they sold 320 copies.

The only market share figure stated in the article is the one noting that OS X, specifically Leopard, represented 53% of total OS only sales at the time. That is an entirely different metric from the aforementioned.

Combined, these metrics are important because they're telling us two things...

The interest in Windows relative to last year declined quickly from September to October. The interest in OS X relative to last year increased quickly from September to October. Taken alone, this metric doesn't tell us why... but that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is when you look at the second metric, and see that yes, indeed, Leopard represents a larger volume of OS sales than Vista in Japan.

One thing to consider, though, as to why Vista sales a year out should be compared to Leopard sales is because Vista had a much longer development cycle, and Microsoft's releases are intended to carry them for years, not 18 months like OS X releases. For such a major release, 6-7 years after XP, to reach maturity in terms of market interest within just a year is particularly terrible. Nothing significant will change about Windows for another several years.

Consequently, it is rather significant that Apple is stealing attention from Microsoft now... because with absolutely nothing of note in the hopper for several years, Microsoft is particularly vulnerable to market share depletion by more agile entities. Perhaps the delays for Leopard were actually a good thing. Any earlier and it may have been somewhat more difficult to swipe market share from Windows. But now, it seems almost like stealing candy from a baby.

Remember, because of Microsoft's tremendous size, a drop from 75% year over year growth to 28% year over year growth is a staggering slowdown in volume being pushed out the door.

Apple combining forces very heavily with Google for content delivery is a double-blow... separately they don't seem capable of doing so much damage, but together they pose a significant threat to Microsoft because the future of the OS is predicated heavily upon the user experience and content accessibility... something Microsoft is very lousy at facilitating. People are becoming more and more interested in what their OS can do for them in terms of both content creation, content transmission and content access over the internet.

Microsoft's in a very precarious position right now, very heavily exposed due to multiple failures in content creation/delivery, OS stability and security, and the overall user experience.

This is not simply about selected numbers making Mac OS appear better. This is about a small, very agile entity's window of opportunity (no pun intended) to grab market share and build brand equity while the sleeping giant of Redmond takes another several years just to figure out its next move, much less act on it.
 
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