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Leopard Overtakes Windows OS Sales In Japan For October
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Totally Agree,
These figure of market share are for sales of retail versions of Boxed OS's not sales of Macs with leopard vs windows PCs or any thing like that.
This is the spike when mac owners go out and buy an upgrade, I imagine if you hunted back to the time Vista was released MS's Market share would have spike considerably higher too, it will fall off once those that are going to upgrade have done so,
by excluding OEM sales,in reality this spike will disappear into the wash of figures in terms of total units of OS sold,
"These arn't the sales figures you are looking for"
"He can go about his business"
"Move along"
Thank you for taking the time to point all of that out, but I do understand the concepts.
Maybe I should have clarified that I was reading the original article in Japanese and reporting on what the original article said, and it says the share went from 15.5% last month to 60.7% during the first week Leopard was on sale. And these are stand-alone sales. The original article also states that Tiger had a 51.2% share immediately after its release, so Leopard has an almost 10 point gain on it.
Their numbers look a little weird, though, because 60.7% is the share broken down by "OS maker" and 53.9% is overall share of stand alone OS sales. The difference might be from Linux distros that were cut out increasing the OSX share, but they don't specify.
The article also points out that virtually all sales are going to people who already own Macs, so it points to how enthusiastic the installed OSX user base is about Leopard. The thing with Japan is that it has a shrinking PC market, in general the population isn't as enthusiastic about computers and there is a cultural tendency to buy new rather than upgrade, so I doubt many people were purchasing stand alone copies of Vista to start off with.
To add something; Apple makes hardware that is directly tied to the OS. In other words, people buy a new Mac with Leopard, a full version or a UTD package. Number of Macs equals the total number of versions of OS X (I leave out previous versions). Apple also makes various other pieces of hard- and software. Microsoft is primarily a software vendor. I dont know what Vistas contribution to Microsofts total revenue is, but I doubt it counts for more than10%. Because there is also Office, Windows Server, the development tools, etc. Businesses like the one I work for dont focus on the latest flavour of the month. And Windows 2003 Server R2 runs very well on VMware Virtual Infrastructure.
The whole downgrading to XP affair concentrates on corporate buyers, not on the home front. Ive been running a version of Vista only available to large corporations and the most aggravating aspect is the very poor execution of the way Vista handles input that requires an elevated authorisation level. I still recommend XP Pro for my company.
Time will tell if Vista will become another Windows ME which I rank among the worst of Microsofts versions of Windows. And to answer the remark in another thread: both Stevie and Billy borrowed the whole GUI concept from Xerox PARC. And neither invented the mouse.
The whole downgrading to XP affair concentrates on corporate buyers, not on the home front. Ive been running a version of Vista only available to large corporations and the most aggravating aspect is the very poor execution of the way Vista handles input that requires an elevated authorisation level. I still recommend XP Pro for my company.
Time will tell if Vista will become another Windows ME which I rank among the worst of Microsofts versions of Windows. And to answer the remark in another thread: both Stevie and Billy borrowed the whole GUI concept from Xerox PARC. And neither invented the mouse.
LOL!This is horrid news! Now more PC guys are going to hate Mac Users even more!
What I find interesting is the number of folks who purchase new computers with Vista installed, take it off and install Windows XP instead.
Most of Microsoft's OS'es take a while to mature, and Vista is no exception. Personally, I am waiting for Vista SP2 or whatever it will be called.
Things are are getting better, but it's not as impressive as the English translation made it sound. I just read the Japanese original article. It said that the Tiger released in May of 2005 recorded 51.2％. That would mean, Apple was able to get ~10% more market share compared to their Tiger release over two years ago.
Since when did operating systems become sports teams with die-hard fans and sales numbers reported like scores? Stating that one OS is better than another is NEVER fact, it is opinion. Personally I've been running Vista since beta and I love it just as much as I love my new Mac. I prefer to be a cross-platform specialist. Why limit yourself to just one OS when they all have their advantages and disadvantages?
With that out of the way, great job Apple! As some have said, the fact that this is the first time OSX has beat out Windows is definately something to celebrate. Of course, as others have said, the fact that it beat Windows in its first week of sales isn't exactly an accurate representation of the truth.
With that out of the way, great job Apple! As some have said, the fact that this is the first time OSX has beat out Windows is definately something to celebrate. Of course, as others have said, the fact that it beat Windows in its first week of sales isn't exactly an accurate representation of the truth.
That's not true at all. Unix (which Mac OS X is, in fact Leopard is POSIX certified) is not nearly as susceptible to viruses as Window is. You have to understand how it works under the hood to know why. The most basic explanation is that Windows runs in admin mode by default (the equivalent or root in Unix), and every single process has access to all the files on the disk, including the system files.
This means that viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. can easily (and silently) install themselves among the Windows system files and infect other programs, not to mention set themselves to run at startup. MS tried to address that in Vista but they did it very poorly, because to address it correctly would require changes that'll break a lot of existing apps. Actually even the changes they did make have broken a lot of apps, because Windows (like DOS) never had proper security to begin with.
Most of the security in Vista is in UAC which requires the user to confirm everything that happens. So unless the user understands that some app is trying to do something wrong they'll just hit "allow". This system is so annoying that most people will probably either turn it off or ignore it, because it asks confirmation for every trivial thing. I've personally had a case where it asked me to confirm file deletion three times. That's three message boxes to delete one file.
In Unix it's still possible to have viruses but user processes are not run with root privileges. This means that an infected program can't modify system files (or files of other users), so they can't infect other programs. The only way I know of for malicious software to gain root access in Unix is by exploiting a known buffer overflow in a root process. That however requires a lot more knowledge than Windows viruses do, and only works until the security hole is patched.
Already done.
I seriously worry about the people looking for negatives in everything.
Yes Windows has a huge market share, but it is decreasing and no one seems to get too excited about their products anymore (Halo launch excluded). No one has ever queued for Windows Mobile, the Zune or Vista…
In the interests of balance, Windows Vista and Windows Server 2003 were also fully POSIX compliant before Leopard.
You do know that Vista and Server 2003 are also POSIX certified, right?
Anyway, I am not really sure what this statistic proves if it only relates to retail upgrade software sales.
Apple just released a new OS, of course there are going to be more sales of that OS than there were from the previous month when that OS was not available.
There sure seem to be many excited people, but somehow, my reaction is "meh." Leopard seems to be doing well in terms of sales, but these numbers don't seem to corroborate such a story very well. At the very least there has been a moderate increase in Leopard's adoption compared to Tiger (I believe one poster translated that Tiger's share at the same time was 51.5%, while Leopard is at 53%).
I think what would be more telling is if we had overall numbers involving the current usage of OS X compared to Windows (all-Vista, XP, ME, etc). Growth between these ratios would give us a more accurate picture of just how well OS X (Leopard in particular) is doing.
I think what would be more telling is if we had overall numbers involving the current usage of OS X compared to Windows (all-Vista, XP, ME, etc). Growth between these ratios would give us a more accurate picture of just how well OS X (Leopard in particular) is doing.
It's all pointless anyway. MS flubs its sales numbers by counting every OEM license that ships as a sale even tho some of those OEM licenses may not be in an actual operating machine for six months.
We're still here, Mr. Lawyer
We're still here, Mr. Lawyer, but we don't need to comment....
You've managed to so discredit yourself with your embarrassing claims that there's nothing further that we can add.
We're still here, Mr. Lawyer, but we don't need to comment....
You've managed to so discredit yourself with your embarrassing claims that there's nothing further that we can add.
Facts are a relative term...
And I seriously worry about people who take "analysis" at face value...
Apple's number's capture the absolute "early adopter's spike". Microsofts skews that value with another 10-22 days of data.
The author took 20 million and divided it by 28 days. There's no way that M$ sold 714,000 copies of VISTA on day 1, day 2, and day 28.
More than likely 50% of those 20 million were sold in the first 5-10 days... If we assume 5, that would be possibly 4 million per day (probably higher, given demand curves). If we assume 10, it would be 2 million per day (ditto).
And I seriously worry about people who take "analysis" at face value...
Apple's number's capture the absolute "early adopter's spike". Microsofts skews that value with another 10-22 days of data.
The author took 20 million and divided it by 28 days. There's no way that M$ sold 714,000 copies of VISTA on day 1, day 2, and day 28.
More than likely 50% of those 20 million were sold in the first 5-10 days... If we assume 5, that would be possibly 4 million per day (probably higher, given demand curves). If we assume 10, it would be 2 million per day (ditto).
well, i think the new leopard the vista that has been there for a while argument still hold here
but why not think differently
if 5% of people use MC OS X in japan and they bought of their os more than what 95% bought during the same period. than that is a pretty much fair argument.
i think leopard is going well, but it isnt about leopard, it is about the percentage of macs out there.
but why not think differently
if 5% of people use MC OS X in japan and they bought of their os more than what 95% bought during the same period. than that is a pretty much fair argument.
i think leopard is going well, but it isnt about leopard, it is about the percentage of macs out there.
Why does it need to be the "messiah" when Windows already has 90% market share?Darn, so Vista isn't Microsoft's Messiah?
I highly doubt this.
Not really. Most people don't need the Ultimate edition, they will do fine with Home Basic or Home Premium, neither of which are very expensive.
Probably back in the 1980s when Windows literally was a joke. But by 1990 and Windows 3, it was the death knell for Apple.
Vista doesn't suck, and I doubt your immature OS would even be taken seriously. And no, they will not keep this lead. As others have said, this was a highly skewed comparison. A true comparison would be to compare the first week of Vista's sales with Leopard's sales.
Windows is far from over. Get your iHead out of your iAss and come back down into iReality. Windows has 90% of the market for good reason. Windows is not "out," either. I don't even know what you mean by that. You do realize that Apple computers are overpriced, overhyped and underpowered PCs, right? Maybe you don't like Vista, and that's fine, but it is far from the piece of crap you claim. And if it can't be compared to Leopard, then why does Apple continue to feel the need to bash Vista every chance they get and then steal its feature set, like Time Machine? (Which was lovingly ripped straight from Vista. See: Previous Versions.)
Fanboyism will get you nowhere
Wow, I've never seen someone so desperate to engage in a fanboy war. Reading your post it sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy to me mate.
Thankfully, in general, MacRumors forum posters are far less likely (compared to other sites) to subscribe to such idiotic and biased views; or at least not express them in such a demeaning manner as was demonstrated by yourself.
Most people treated this story as good news, but all I got from your comment was anger and hate - not the best way to bring your argument across.
The true fanboy, when presented with good news about their product, will, instead of praising it, attack others. You know what, I like that phrase I just made so much I'm gonna make it my signature as a lasting test for those who think they've turned to the dark side of fanboyism!
Wow, I've never seen someone so desperate to engage in a fanboy war. Reading your post it sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy to me mate.
Thankfully, in general, MacRumors forum posters are far less likely (compared to other sites) to subscribe to such idiotic and biased views; or at least not express them in such a demeaning manner as was demonstrated by yourself.
Most people treated this story as good news, but all I got from your comment was anger and hate - not the best way to bring your argument across.
The true fanboy, when presented with good news about their product, will, instead of praising it, attack others. You know what, I like that phrase I just made so much I'm gonna make it my signature as a lasting test for those who think they've turned to the dark side of fanboyism!