Leopard Preview Less Than A Month Away

[GodBless]

Geez, that's a good idea! Someody needs to develop sething like that. Would you mind if I tried to?

I don't think it would do too much for productivity so you'd be wasting your time -- at least in my opinion (unless it could be designed where productivity was better than it is now).

On a totally different note, will WWDC be available in quicktime? I'm at camp during WWDC.

It should be available for at least a week or two after the event (like it usually is with Apple's product presentation events).

 

[GodBless]

looks neat. i believe a program called witch can actually do that.

That program does it a little bit differently (and less effectively, in my opinion, because it does it by window instead of application) and plus the name is inappropriate so it is a bad alternative. Also third party software is worse than what is built-in to the system.

 

[wmmk]

That program does it a little bit differently (and less effectively, in my opinion, because it does it by window instead of application) and plus the name is inappropriate so it is a bad alternative. Also third party software is worse than what is built-in to the system.

sorry, but how is the word "witch" inappropriate?

 

[Chundles]

sorry, but how is the word "witch" inappropriate?

Don't get him started on this. Just let it go.

 

[GodBless]

sorry, but how is the word "witch" inappropriate?

Don't get him started on this. Just let it go.

...Or visit this thread. I am happy to take any further questions in that thread -- but we better not get this one side tracked.

 

[bousozoku]

sorry, but how is the word "witch" inappropriate?

Please don't him started again.

 

[pknz]

I hope Apple has something big up its sleeve for Leopard, for me 10.4 wasn't as big as it could have been.

On a side note, GodBless if you have more to add to a topic, just edit your post, dont post several posts. Just looks like you wanna increase your post count.

 

[Timepass]

This much and more was new in Tiger and plus 10.5 will be a major release (since it is a ".5" release it as has got to be huge). Don't underestimate Apple's OS design ability. Microsoft won't be able to match it -- for sure.

boy some one kind of think apple all powerful and might.

Just because it is a .5 release that doesnt not mean Crap. Apple "New OS" have become very mondan. It not like tiger was released that long ago. Apple runs on about a 18 month cycle on its OS.

I said since Expose the features apple seems to brag about and push have not really been that flashy or really are attention getters. They seem very gimicy at best for the newer ones but they havent really added anything new.

Releasing it near Vista means next to none press coverage. No one out side apple fans are really going to give a hoot. And even a lot of apple fans are going to be more intersted in the new on vista than leapord.

Vista is huge. XP will be 6 years old by that point in time. Vista is adding a lot of new features and new looks windows.

Vista is on the grounds of OS 9 to OSX. It is a huge thing for most of the computing world.

So lets see the choice bettween some big in the computer world (vista) or something that has become very routine and boring (OSX). Not a hard choice. 10.5 can not compete press wise to Vista. It going to be small frieds. APples new OS have become very small fries in the press because they happen so offen. It was what 1 year ago when tiger came out and now leapod is what talk about. Apple releases new OS way to fast and people are starting to care less about it. You hardly have time to get adjusted to the new one befor already looking for the next one.

 

[ezekielrage_99]

I can't wait to see what Apple has cooked up for us with Leopard because I was thoroughly impressed with the initial release for Tiger.

1 month to go I really do think Apple will impress us...... well I hope so

 

[GodBless]

boy some one kind of think apple all powerful and might.

Just because it is a .5 release that doesnt not mean Crap. Apple "New OS" have become very mondan. It not like tiger was released that long ago. Apple runs on about a 18 month cycle on its OS.

I said since Expose the features apple seems to brag about and push have not really been that flashy or really are attention getters. They seem very gimicy at best for the newer ones but they havent really added anything new.

Releasing it near Vista means next to none press coverage. No one out side apple fans are really going to give a hoot. And even a lot of apple fans are going to be more intersted in the new on vista than leapord.

Vista is huge. XP will be 6 years old by that point in time. Vista is adding a lot of new features and new looks windows.

Vista is on the grounds of OS 9 to OSX. It is a huge thing for most of the computing world.

So lets see the choice bettween some big in the computer world (vista) or something that has become very routine and boring (OSX). Not a hard choice. 10.5 can not compete press wise to Vista. It going to be small frieds. APples new OS have become very small fries in the press because they happen so offen. It was what 1 year ago when tiger came out and now leapod is what talk about. Apple releases new OS way to fast and people are starting to care less about it. You hardly have time to get adjusted to the new one befor already looking for the next one.

I hope you're joking. Not only is Vista going to be less than Tiger (at most) but a Mac is already a Windows capable machine so Apple knows what it is competing against and is confident in OS X's ability compared to Windows Vista. The reason why Microsoft has delayed Vista so many times is because the people at Microsoft are frantically trying to keep up with OS X. Once Microsoft figured out that they wouldn't be able to do it they gave up and set a release date for January -- the same time that Apple is going to release Leopard. I bet Microsoft's goal is to cover up Apple's OS but Steve Jobs is a smart man -- he will blow the world away with his revolutionary OS and will get plenty of press coverage for it -- trust me.

 

[aswitcher]

I wonder if Apple will finally start doing streaming of their keynotes.

 

[VanNess]

Vista is on the grounds of OS 9 to OSX.

Not a chance. OS X was a complete rewrite of the OS from the ground up. Microsoft pretended the same when Longhorn was announced, but by the time it was called Vista, it was hardly the "bet the company" rewrite of Windows that was originally promised. Much of Windows legacy is still present and accounted for in Vista, including, unfortunately, the system registry and activeX controls. For better or for worse, Vista is essentially Windows NT 6 in a pretty suit.

Well, it's pretty (or it's supposed to be) if you have so-called Vista-capable guts inside your PC for Vista's Aqua..err, I mean Arrow...err, I mean Aero interface. If not, well I hear there is still plenty of time to save up.

It's a big thing for Microsoft, but for the rest of the computing world it depends on what Vista really brings to the table. If it proves to be another spyware/malware/virus infested release, the hype will likely fade rather quickly.

 

[VanNess]

One of the longest sustaining rumors about Leopard was (is?) the inclusion of some sort of native virtualization technology for running Windows along the lines of Parallels as a successor to Bootcamp. Lately, however, Apple has been actively hyping Parallels in place of it's own home grown Bootcamp in ads, and along with this article I ran across today, it may be time to finally put the Windows virtualization rumor in Leopard to bed.

From the article:

I had a talk with Phil Schiller at the opening of the 5th Avenue Apple Store, and I asked him the question, ‘will Apple include a virtualization solution in [the next version of Mac OS X] Leopard.’ He said ‘absolutely not, the R&D would be prohibitive and we’re not going to do it. Our solution is dual boot.’

 

[MacBoobsPro]

I'd like to see 2 new features, regarding preferences, and something I call "blocks."

Preferences
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Rather than going to the menu and selecting 'Preferences,' I think it would be neat if each app had an icon similar to the one widgets have. This way, you could click it, and the app would rotate and show the reverse side where all the preference settings could be found.

"Blocks"
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I think it would be neat if apps were integrated into blocks, or "cubes."

For example, there could be an iWork 'cube' or block; opening the application would present you with the usual "what would you like to make: document, presentation, etc" options.

Clicking "presentation" would make the block rotate and expose the side which has the presentation software, Keynote, and all its features.

There would be a new icon that would let you go back to the selection side of the block, or browse to another side, such as the Pages side, in this example.

This could also work for iLife, having iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb all being "sides" of one cube. Still seperate apps, but the way you access them would change. Opening iTunes would not cause iPhoto and all other iApps to open as well - only browsing to that app's side of the cube would open the app.

Closing the app would cause it to rotate back to the orignal one you opened, or you could browse between sides without closing any that you've opened.

Even further, there could be a 'Create a block' feature, where you could select up to 6 apps and compose your own block and give it a title.

For example, I would like a "Most used" block, which would have Firefox on one side, iTunes on another.

There would be an additional feature which would let you spin and rotate blocks similar to expose' that so you can look at what is on them without accessing each side individualy. Expose' would be revamped to be "block-aware" to show all sides of all blocks when accessed.

It could go even further to introduce 'Smart Blocks' which automatically update to recognize the applications you access most, least, or are related (a photography apps block, a writing block, a web block, etc).

Combining 6 apps into 1 rotatable block would be huge for saving screen space and increasing productivity. Sides of blocks could be 'detached' or unfolded at any time,so you could see two sides next to each other at once.

The uses for this I think would be limitless.

Its a nice idea but isnt that adding uneccesary complication to accessing an app? If i understand you correctly, first of all you would need to locate the app cube to access then keep clicking on sides until you find the app you wanted then click it to open the app. Thats is a minimum of 3 clicks. Personally I think one click in the dock (or somewhere) is the way to go. From the desktop image you posted it seems you like complicated stuff my desktop has no icons on it except for my nano and minimax when they are turned on. And if i could I would make those icons not appear on the desktop aswell as I use them through apps anyway. Maybe thats what I would like to see in Leopard, total control over icons appearing on the desktop. i.e. no HDs etc as they are accessible through the finder window and apps.

 

[stunna]

I think you're really missing something here. Visual BASIC is also much easier than Visual C++, if you're only dabbling. However, when it comes down to it, realistic developers don't use VB to develop serious applications--they use VC++. If they like the drag-and-drop way of doing things that VB made popular, they can use 3 different Borland environments, which aren't nearly as quirky.

I still find Windows tools to be better thought out because there is competition, but Xcode is a very good set of tools that's no more difficult than VC++ and provides some very interesting ways of doing things. It makes you do good design work so you don't have to fix things later in the code the way you often do in Windows.

For Leopard, I'm hoping that the Unified Look is everywhere--no more pinstripes and brushed metal, please.

I'm also hoping that the base of the system improves. It would be nice if Apple would support ZFS and some popular Linux-based file systems to make transitions easier. It would probably pull more developers their way.

I'm sure we'll see a huge performance increase for the Intel side. I'm hoping that, with Tevanian gone, they've gone with a new, radically improved kernel. It would be truly sweet to see 3 and 4 year old PowerPC machines running as fast on Leopard as the final PowerPC machines run on Tiger. Everytime I see a comparison on Linux vs. BSD vs. Darwin, I cringe because Apple's kernel is way too slow.

Where can I see kernel comparisons.
How do you measure kernel performance?

 

[Timepass]

I hope you're joking. Not only is Vista going to be less than Tiger (at most) but a Mac is already a Windows capable machine so Apple knows what it is competing against and is confident in OS X's ability compared to Windows Vista. The reason why Microsoft has delayed Vista so many times is because the people at Microsoft are frantically trying to keep up with OS X. Once Microsoft figured out that they wouldn't be able to do it they gave up and set a release date for January -- the same time that Apple is going to release Leopard. I bet Microsoft's goal is to cover up Apple's OS but Steve Jobs is a smart man -- he will blow the world away with his revolutionary OS and will get plenty of press coverage for it -- trust me.

What are you smoking. It doesnt matter if Tiger is better than Vista. It doesnt change the fact that news wise Vista is huge. leapod is small fries and old news and is routian mondain thing.
The fact that XP is being replace after almost 6 years and that Vista has been delayed so many times and it is finally out is what makes it news.
Leapard is oh look another apple OS. It starting to look like apple is becoming more money grubbing with it. It another one and they are adding less and less with each one. Not any really big new feature.

Leapod compared to tiger is not anything big. Vista compared to XP is a huge diffence. hence the reason it is going to be big press wise and apple putting anything out near vista means zero press.

Get that though your head and get off the apple is the best thing ever and look at it from a news stand point.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Windows promotional efforts regarding Vista will be far in excess of those used for Windows 95. This is what they've said and for those that can remember it, it was pretty extensive at the time... they seem to really throw their weight behind key releases that are strategically important.

On the other hand, Leopard just will not register on most people's radars... it's only recently that Apple have dipped their toes back into TV advertising again.

 

[Applespider]

Leapod compared to tiger is not anything big. Vista compared to XP is a huge diffence. hence the reason it is going to be big press wise and apple putting anything out near vista means zero press.

I do agree that Vista will be much bigger news than Leopard but I think it depends on what kind of coverage Apple want.

Launch it in 2006 and the PR team can spout the pre-Vista again line and when the inevitable Vista v OS X comparisons start up the press (and I do believe that there will be more of them this time around than for previous Windows releases since there is more Apple awareness in the media even if not in the general consumer) are going newest v newest. Those Xmas consumers wanting new computers might just buy a latest and greatest Apple v a Windows machine they have to run a system update on in January.

Launch it at the same time as Vista. You won't get 'exclusive' Leopard articles but then again, how many of those were you going to pick up anyhow. You're more likely to get the comparison articles if they're released at the same time because every journo loves being able to write an x against y battlefront article.

Launch it later than Vista. Depends on how Vista is being perceived; if it's proving wildly popular, if the security is there, if the performance is there, then launching Leopard then could be a bad thing. The comparison articles will suggest that OS X is catching up to Vista. If Vista isn't being received well, then you'll get some great coverage.

 

[Josh]

Geez, that's a good idea! Someody needs to develop sething like that. Would you mind if I tried to?

Thanks!

If you can develop something like that, please do

I'd love to, but I don't have the know-how for something like that. As long as someone makes it, and makes it well, I think it would be a good feature for everyone.

 

[GodBless]

Thanks!

If you can develop something like that, please do

I'd love to, but I don't have the know-how for something like that. As long as someone makes it, and makes it well, I think it would be a good feature for everyone.

I wouldn't mind seeing the feature implemented either.

 

[Donz0r]

I hope you're joking. Not only is Vista going to be less than Tiger (at most) but a Mac is already a Windows capable machine so Apple knows what it is competing against and is confident in OS X's ability compared to Windows Vista. The reason why Microsoft has delayed Vista so many times is because the people at Microsoft are frantically trying to keep up with OS X. Once Microsoft figured out that they wouldn't be able to do it they gave up and set a release date for January -- the same time that Apple is going to release Leopard. I bet Microsoft's goal is to cover up Apple's OS but Steve Jobs is a smart man -- he will blow the world away with his revolutionary OS and will get plenty of press coverage for it -- trust me.

...Did you even read what he wrote?!?!

 

[Timepass]

...Did you even read what he wrote?!?!

Oh he read it but didnt understand it.

He saw Vista is going to be big. leapord going to be small.
He completley missed why I said Vista is going to be big in the press and Leapord going to be small.

He just say Vista is bigger than leapord. And missed everything inbettween. Get used to it. He is blinded by being a apple fan and not seeing anything that expalins other wise.

 

[GodBless]

Oh he read it but didnt understand it.

He saw Vista is going to be big. leapord going to be small.
He completley missed why I said Vista is going to be big in the press and Leapord going to be small.

He just say Vista is bigger than leapord. And missed everything inbettween. Get used to it. He is blinded by being a apple fan and not seeing anything that expalins other wise.

Don't think I'm that stupid.

I used to be a Windows user and laughed at the Mac users until I learned the truth. Now that I know the truth I can judge the OS game from both sides. I've studied Vista for quite some time now and I know that it is nothing but a small, poorly designed and incremental OS. It is nothing like the amazing and huge OS 9 to OS X transition. Windows is still built off of it's flimsy and vulnerable 3.1 design but OS X is nothing like it's previous OS 9 (and below) "sibling" -- OS X replaced the foundation of the OS design and user experience by building it from scratch. Vista doesn't do that it continues from where it left off. Windows keeps getting bulkier and bulkier and in the process uglier and uglier (because of it's inconsistencies). It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

 

[Chundles]

Don't think I'm that stupid.

I used to be a Windows user and laughed at the Mac users until I learned the truth. Now that I know the truth I can judge the OS game from both sides. I've studied Vista for quite some time now and I know that it is nothing but a small, poorly designed and incremental OS.

Yet for 99.99% of Windows users out there it will be the only Operating System released in the next 12 months. Most don't know about or even care about 10.5 Just as Steve could polish a turd to a high gloss, put it in a box and sell it to Mac zealots for US$199, MS could put a bucket of vomit in a box, call it Windows Spew, announce it as the next version of Windows and it will fly off the shelves.

The vast majority of computer users out there aren't even going to glance at the tiny column dedicated to 10.5 in the tech section of the paper. Compared with the Vista launch, 10.5 is nothing.

Don't get me wrong, 10.5 will (hopefully) be way better than Vista (Vista does some things a lot better than Tiger right now, mostly to do with Media and entertainment) and I'll be lining up for it as soon as I can. I don't care two hoots about Vista but in terms of how much attention this is going to get and how important it is for Microsoft, Vista is going to get all the looks.

Apple has to fight tooth and nail for every percentage point of market share it can claw back, all MS has to do is keep everyone unaware and scared of the options (which face it, they do well) to keep their massive market share.

 

[GodBless]

Yet for 99.99% of Windows users out there it will be the only Operating System released in the next 12 months. Most don't know about or even care about 10.5 Just as Steve could polish a turd to a high gloss, put it in a box and sell it to Mac zealots for US$199, MS could put a bucket of vomit in a box, call it Windows Spew, announce it as the next version of Windows and it will fly off the shelves.

The vast majority of computer users out there aren't even going to glance at the tiny column dedicated to 10.5 in the tech section of the paper. Compared with the Vista launch, 10.5 is nothing.

Don't get me wrong, 10.5 will (hopefully) be way better than Vista (Vista does some things a lot better than Tiger right now, mostly to do with Media and entertainment) and I'll be lining up for it as soon as I can. I don't care two hoots about Vista but in terms of how much attention this is going to get and how important it is for Microsoft, Vista is going to get all the looks.

Apple has to fight tooth and nail for every percentage point of market share it can claw back, all MS has to do is keep everyone unaware and scared of the options (which face it, they do well) to keep their massive market share.

I agree. I am almost sure Windows Vista will get more press coverage, but others in this thread shouldn't think Leopard won't get much press coverage at all. I am sure that it will get plenty of it and because of it Mac users will be on the rise.

From the usability and efficiency standpoint of Tiger vs. Leopard -- Leopard wins. Many people like a fundamentally solid OS but Vista won't compete with OS X that way. Whenever Windows is updated it keeps too many old and rusty features so that people don't have to learn all the new and better ways of the OS if they don't want to. Apple has a different approach. OS X and other new Apple software is built from scratch using the latest technologies so that they run fast, smoothly and effectively -- it gets rid of all of those old and useless ways of doing things that are buggy, have security holes and make the OS and software bulky. Windows includes both a candle and a light bulb it also includes an outhouse and a toilet. It is a very cluttered and useless OS having old and new technologies everywhere.