jaxstate said:MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.
That's all the better, since Safari, Firefox, Opera and Camino are all vastly superior to IE anyway!
But what's the matter with this peephole?
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That's all the better, since Safari, Firefox, Opera and Camino are all vastly superior to IE anyway!
But what's the matter with this peephole?
jaxstate said:MS has already stated there will no longer develope IE for Macs.
who needs freakin M$ to develop anything for Mac? Its the IE7 for Windows and OS X runs it natively!
It probably didn't load all the way.zach said:
For me, it had only loaded up until a couple pixels of the dock showed. When everyone was talking about the dock, I had to look back.
Personally I don't think that having Windows XP intergrated would be so much of a deal. For one only people that knew how to do will do it, grandma, siss and uncle chuck will just stick with Mac OS X. Then on top of it you have to go out and buy Windows XP for $200. Then you would probally have a startup time similar to Classic mode. Not to mention I am sure it would take lots of ram to run both side by side.
The Peephole thing is stupid, but maybe there will be a couple of choices of transitions like the windowing minimizing. Also this could just be a beta and it could be thrown away at a later time.
Well at least no one got a virus this time!
The Peephole thing is stupid, but maybe there will be a couple of choices of transitions like the windowing minimizing. Also this could just be a beta and it could be thrown away at a later time.
Well at least no one got a virus this time!
Fake: I expect Leopard WILL include either VMware or something like it. The "About this mac" box would then display a line called "Guest OS type" and not a line that reads "Windows". VMware should be able to run any Intel based OS. So building the assumption that the guest OS is Windows would not be build into Leopard.
Also even if it did assume Windows. The line in the box would read "MS Windows Version:" or something like that not just "Windows".
Also even if it did assume Windows. The line in the box would read "MS Windows Version:" or something like that not just "Windows".
I posted this in the VMware forum, but this info may be even more relevant here. This patent may describe the tech behind the screenshot (if it is real):
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.ph...umer_desktops/
Anybody read this? Looks like transparent support of Windows apps through a VM implimentation presented through a "unified desktop interface." Sounds to me like double click an .exe file and away you go.
Presumably you'd still have to pay for/install Windows for the VM to have an OS to host, but, wow, this patent seems to describe a computer on which [literally] everything JUST WORKS. (.exe, .app, etc.)
As far as viruses go, Intel also filed a patent yesterday dealing with virus quarantine in such an environment.
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.ph...umer_desktops/
Anybody read this? Looks like transparent support of Windows apps through a VM implimentation presented through a "unified desktop interface." Sounds to me like double click an .exe file and away you go.
Presumably you'd still have to pay for/install Windows for the VM to have an OS to host, but, wow, this patent seems to describe a computer on which [literally] everything JUST WORKS. (.exe, .app, etc.)
As far as viruses go, Intel also filed a patent yesterday dealing with virus quarantine in such an environment.
Fake!
I believe these screenshots are fake, and the reasons are:
1. It's not hard to make that Finder mock-up. I don't think that Safari-esque interface is the direction that Apple is taking. Though it looks believable, I don't find it intuitive enough.
2. The "Windows" text in "About This Mac" looks different from (less clear than) the other text. Making the window and adding the text is a simple task in Photoshop, and it looks like that's what was done here.
3. The peephole transition effect doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. And the desktop selector (with the "1" and "2") doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do. I'd expect thumbnails of the desktops (maybe with the numbers overlaid). The peephole transition screenshot could be made easily with Keynote. The desktop selection menu bar item is black, whereas Apple's menu bar items are a dark grey (and the circle with a number in it is very simple to make).
Granted, if it's prerelease software, many of these details may not be in place or completed yet, but I find the appearance of the "Windows" text in "About This Mac" to be very fishy. Plus, Apple is well aware that making Windows apps run within OS X will completely open up OS X to viruses, spyware, etc. Boot Camp and virtualization are less likely to cause problems in this regard (though they're still risky).
So my conclusion is that these screenshots are probably fake, both visually and conceptually. Nice try, though.
Oh yeah. Apple hasn't ordered a cease-and-desist yet, either.
I believe these screenshots are fake, and the reasons are:
1. It's not hard to make that Finder mock-up. I don't think that Safari-esque interface is the direction that Apple is taking. Though it looks believable, I don't find it intuitive enough.
2. The "Windows" text in "About This Mac" looks different from (less clear than) the other text. Making the window and adding the text is a simple task in Photoshop, and it looks like that's what was done here.
3. The peephole transition effect doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. And the desktop selector (with the "1" and "2") doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do. I'd expect thumbnails of the desktops (maybe with the numbers overlaid). The peephole transition screenshot could be made easily with Keynote. The desktop selection menu bar item is black, whereas Apple's menu bar items are a dark grey (and the circle with a number in it is very simple to make).
Granted, if it's prerelease software, many of these details may not be in place or completed yet, but I find the appearance of the "Windows" text in "About This Mac" to be very fishy. Plus, Apple is well aware that making Windows apps run within OS X will completely open up OS X to viruses, spyware, etc. Boot Camp and virtualization are less likely to cause problems in this regard (though they're still risky).
So my conclusion is that these screenshots are probably fake, both visually and conceptually. Nice try, though.
Oh yeah. Apple hasn't ordered a cease-and-desist yet, either.
What about viruses/spyware? I'm hoping something like a window saying "Windows program hosttracker.exe is trying to run. Is this okay?" and then you select yes or no... it would be creepy to be able to run viruses and other malware without knowing about it; that's why I switched to Mac OS X in the first place.
miketcool said:
I use Final Cut all the time. In their Pro Apps multiple desktops wouldn't surprise me, but in their OS?
David
My bad; sorry the link didn't work. Here are the stories; both are Intel patents, not Apple, but, nevertheless, the tech is perhaps relevant:
First:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.p...virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/
Specifically re: viruses:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.p...virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/
First:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.p...virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/
Specifically re: viruses:
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.p...virtual_machine_geared_for_consumer_desktops/
hmm...
not sure if this would kill it (since iCal is inconsistent even now) but the address book app says jan 14. that was a saturday. his upper right hand date says wednesday.
fake if you ask me. but cool if real.
not sure if this would kill it (since iCal is inconsistent even now) but the address book app says jan 14. that was a saturday. his upper right hand date says wednesday.
fake if you ask me. but cool if real.
fake. not only does the metadata show photoshopping, but i could actually make my mac look like this and function. the finder tabs and layout would be harder to get, but i could mess around with the .nib file
The only 4 things that I can see that make me doubt that the screenshots are authentic:
1) The way the Windows version is labeled. ("XP with Service Pack 2" seems like a very odd labeling and doesn't even include Microsoft's name. But couldn't a user click on the Windows version for more information just like they could click on 10.4 more information (like the build number) on Tiger? This makes me think that the images have a good chance at being authentic screenshots after all.).
2.) Windows programs supported as closely as they are in the screenshot. (Think about it -- Can you see Apple selling a version of Leopard that installs Windows after the Leopard installation is finished? How can both of the operating systems run at the same time after they are installed on different partitions? How can only Windows interface run on OS X? Perhaps there is an option of booting into different operating systems and additionally the option of using OS X's interface to run Windows programs. Also, perhaps Apple is working with VMWare to make it possible to run Windows interface natively on OS X. Plus the Boot Campish logo at the top left of the screen makes me think that virtualization options are in that menu. Without this menu I would have a hard time believing the screenshot was real since it has a Windows program running.)
3) The lack of full resolution screenshots. (It would be easy for someone to export a "fair" Photoshop job by reducing the size and the quality of the final project. Otherwise the Photoshop master would have to perfect every pixel to export it in the full resolution and fool us at the same time. That isn't saying that the pictures can't be real though. Perhaps the person who revealed this screenshot wasn't able to leave his/her office unless his/her jump drive was checked for any images that looked like screenshots. In this case he/she would have probably had to reduce the image size and change it to a .doc or something to make it look like it wasn't a screenshot after all.)
4.) The wallpaper. (I don't think it will be a solid blue and I don't see why the person who posted these pictures would have changed it to that. This is the one thing that makes me doubt the authenticity of the "screenshots.")
Some things that people in this thread think will prove these screenshots fake don't prove them fake at all:
1) 10.5 without a build number in the "About This Mac" window. (On Tiger you click on the 10.4 to see the build number on 10.5 I would expect the same, even in the beta version.)
2) No home directory. (I can see why the person would have taken the home directory out; he/she didn't want to get tracked down for releasing the picture that is now rapidly traveling all around the web.)
Conclusion:
Since there doesn't seem like there is too much to make it fake my guess is that with under 1.5 months of Apple showcasing Leopard to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if more "screenshots" were leaked tomorrow. I'm not saying that these "screenshots" are real (because I really don't know) but all I can say is they have a high chance of being authentic.
1) The way the Windows version is labeled. ("XP with Service Pack 2" seems like a very odd labeling and doesn't even include Microsoft's name. But couldn't a user click on the Windows version for more information just like they could click on 10.4 more information (like the build number) on Tiger? This makes me think that the images have a good chance at being authentic screenshots after all.).
2.) Windows programs supported as closely as they are in the screenshot. (Think about it -- Can you see Apple selling a version of Leopard that installs Windows after the Leopard installation is finished? How can both of the operating systems run at the same time after they are installed on different partitions? How can only Windows interface run on OS X? Perhaps there is an option of booting into different operating systems and additionally the option of using OS X's interface to run Windows programs. Also, perhaps Apple is working with VMWare to make it possible to run Windows interface natively on OS X. Plus the Boot Campish logo at the top left of the screen makes me think that virtualization options are in that menu. Without this menu I would have a hard time believing the screenshot was real since it has a Windows program running.)
3) The lack of full resolution screenshots. (It would be easy for someone to export a "fair" Photoshop job by reducing the size and the quality of the final project. Otherwise the Photoshop master would have to perfect every pixel to export it in the full resolution and fool us at the same time. That isn't saying that the pictures can't be real though. Perhaps the person who revealed this screenshot wasn't able to leave his/her office unless his/her jump drive was checked for any images that looked like screenshots. In this case he/she would have probably had to reduce the image size and change it to a .doc or something to make it look like it wasn't a screenshot after all.)
4.) The wallpaper. (I don't think it will be a solid blue and I don't see why the person who posted these pictures would have changed it to that. This is the one thing that makes me doubt the authenticity of the "screenshots.")
Some things that people in this thread think will prove these screenshots fake don't prove them fake at all:
1) 10.5 without a build number in the "About This Mac" window. (On Tiger you click on the 10.4 to see the build number on 10.5 I would expect the same, even in the beta version.)
2) No home directory. (I can see why the person would have taken the home directory out; he/she didn't want to get tracked down for releasing the picture that is now rapidly traveling all around the web.)
Conclusion:
Since there doesn't seem like there is too much to make it fake my guess is that with under 1.5 months of Apple showcasing Leopard to the public, I wouldn't be surprised if more "screenshots" were leaked tomorrow. I'm not saying that these "screenshots" are real (because I really don't know) but all I can say is they have a high chance of being authentic.
I Think It's A Fake
I Think It's A Fake Because In The Screenshot With The Transition, It Looks Like The Mounted Hard Drives On The Desktop Are Deformed. If I Was Apple I Would Leave The Mounted Hardrive Icons The Same As They Would Appear On The 2nd Desktop Anyway.
I Think It's A Fake Because In The Screenshot With The Transition, It Looks Like The Mounted Hard Drives On The Desktop Are Deformed. If I Was Apple I Would Leave The Mounted Hardrive Icons The Same As They Would Appear On The 2nd Desktop Anyway.
Another indication that it's fake
Another possible indication that these are faked: both screenshots show the exact same time in the menubar. It's possible that both of these screenshots were taken within 60 seconds of each other, but I find it unlikely.
Another possible indication that these are faked: both screenshots show the exact same time in the menubar. It's possible that both of these screenshots were taken within 60 seconds of each other, but I find it unlikely.
I say there's not even a chance that this is real.
The Finder window could easily have been 'shopped using Shapeshifter, a chunk from a Safari screenshot (for tabs), and perhaps Themepark if they were playing with individual UI elements.
IE7 is probably a screenshot of the beta taken within Windows, with an OS X titlebar spliced on and NO attention paid to shadows.
The transition could easily have been done up as a full-screen shot (i.e. including the menu bar and Dock) using Quartz Composer or Core Image Funhouse or what have you. The use of a desktop image may just be laziness...I dunno. (In their defense, the peephole effect could be a temporary effect selected by the developers for fun, intended to be replaced in the final version, and if a 2D sliding transition is used in the final, I can understand the menu bar and Dock staying while the apps and desktop switch around.)
As someone else said, the menu bar is the one found in Tiger (although again, this could be the result of the new UI design still being in progress).
I don't quite see the logic of combining a calendar app with an address book. A Mail/AB hybrid might make slightly more sense, but personally I like it as a separate entity that can integrate with all the other apps without playing favourites with any of them by being combined with them. ^_^ (OK, however...*rolls eyes* I would see the logic of combining all the apps that might be thought of as "life management" or something into one, do-it-all "life management" app with addy book, calendar, iSync, and maybe stickies.)
The About This Mac window, for reasons already stated, is a total fake.
The Finder window could easily have been 'shopped using Shapeshifter, a chunk from a Safari screenshot (for tabs), and perhaps Themepark if they were playing with individual UI elements.
IE7 is probably a screenshot of the beta taken within Windows, with an OS X titlebar spliced on and NO attention paid to shadows.
The transition could easily have been done up as a full-screen shot (i.e. including the menu bar and Dock) using Quartz Composer or Core Image Funhouse or what have you. The use of a desktop image may just be laziness...I dunno.
(In their defense, the peephole effect could be a temporary effect selected by the developers for fun, intended to be replaced in the final version, and if a 2D sliding transition is used in the final, I can understand the menu bar and Dock staying while the apps and desktop switch around.)As someone else said, the menu bar is the one found in Tiger (although again, this could be the result of the new UI design still being in progress).
I don't quite see the logic of combining a calendar app with an address book. A Mail/AB hybrid might make slightly more sense, but personally I like it as a separate entity that can integrate with all the other apps without playing favourites with any of them by being combined with them. ^_^ (OK, however...*rolls eyes* I would see the logic of combining all the apps that might be thought of as "life management" or something into one, do-it-all "life management" app with addy book, calendar, iSync, and maybe stickies.)
The About This Mac window, for reasons already stated, is a total fake.
lonepilgrim said:
No, it isn't likely, because Jan. 14, 2006 was a friday, and Jan. 14, 2007 will be a sunday. The menubar reads "Wed 11:26 AM", so the icon couldn't possibly reflect a current date (I don't think the author of these screenshots would bother to find some year when Jan. 14 fell on a wednesday
).Btw, real or fake, that transition effect reminds me too much of [that picture of a guy doing something really gross with his behind]!
[edit: for chrissake, I know that thing is VERY NSFW, but to ban the picture's name itself? It's even on Wikipedia!
]reallynotnick said:
Have you ever used WINE under Linux?
There is nothing in that screenshot to indicate that it isn't just an Apple-developed WINE variant that uses the official DLL and OCX files from the Windows install CD.
*IF* that was the case (and I'm not saying I agree it is), then your assumptions about startup time and ram usage are incorrect. WINE is a very lean application.
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