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Are the screenshots real or fake?

  • Real

    Votes: 119 26.1%
  • Fake

    Votes: 337 73.9%

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Diatribe said:
If you look carefully at the first screenshot you can see the end of the s of windows.
Besides, it being the other way around doesn't really make it fake for me.

oh yea - point accepted. after trying to superimpose text on top using Keynote I would agree WINDOWS is there and is centred.. But why would the words just mysteriously switch order? It would have to be a conscious decision to switch things around... And all the more an odd decision because neither Safari nor Firefox displays the application name...
 
Scottyk9 said:
the counter arguement may be that the bar at the top is part of the "unified desktop" and the contents are from the "virtual machine"

but really, the details of whether this is real or fake pale in comparison to the implications of this - I find it far more fascinating to think about the consequences of Apple and Intel getting virtualization and a unified desktop with multiple VMs done right

True!! It would give a reason why they need to include the application name -- if the main title bar would be "Windows" or something - just like how Classic works...

Certainly can't wait to see Apple do some kind of virtualisation for Leopard!! Unfortunately things like this raises the stakes so much -- if a revamped version of Boot Camp came out, so many people would be sorely disappointed!
 
blufire said:
I believe these screenshots are fake, and the reasons are:

1. It's not hard to make that Finder mock-up. I don't think that Safari-esque interface is the direction that Apple is taking. Though it looks believable, I don't find it intuitive enough.

It's not, but it looks damn real to me. Anyway, even if it's fake, I'm guessing it will look a lot like that on its finalized version.


2. The "Windows" text in "About This Mac" looks different from (less clear than) the other text. Making the window and adding the text is a simple task in Photoshop, and it looks like that's what was done here.

Yep, you're right on that one, this is the real deal-breaker. If you zoom in, you can clearly see that the above lines were displayed using sub-pixel rendering, as there's some slightly coloured pixels on them, unlike the "Windows XP with Service Pack 2", which appears to be grayscale (especially the "Windows" part.

3. The peephole transition effect doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense here. And the desktop selector (with the "1" and "2") doesn't seem like an Apple thing to do. I'd expect thumbnails of the desktops (maybe with the numbers overlaid). The peephole transition screenshot could be made easily with Keynote. The desktop selection menu bar item is black, whereas Apple's menu bar items are a dark grey (and the circle with a number in it is very simple to make).

I agree with you on the pager thing. It doesn't look too Apple-esque to me, in fact, even the already mentioned VirtueDesktops looks more like something Apple would do - I'm figuring Apple will pull a "Dashboard" on both this project and CodeTek Virtual Desktop :eek: . As for the transition, I'm hoping that Apple uses more sober effects than even those found on VirtueDesktops. I don't know if you have found the "suck" minimize effect, which is disabled by default (probably because it doesn't look very cool, and scale and genie are already one too many anyway), or if you noticed how they only include one transition effect for fast user switching? I'm guessing Apple won't exaggerate on this feature either (and yes, I personally think the ripple effect is cool, but this is a bit over the top. Just think about the analogies :p ).


Granted, if it's prerelease software, many of these details may not be in place or completed yet, but I find the appearance of the "Windows" text in "About This Mac" to be very fishy. Plus, Apple is well aware that making Windows apps run within OS X will completely open up OS X to viruses, spyware, etc. Boot Camp and virtualization are less likely to cause problems in this regard (though they're still risky).

I thought the same about that text, but was ignoring it because this'd be just pre-release software, but after further examination, it all adds up. As for running Windows apps, someone mentioned that a quarantine policy could be enforced; IMHO, Windows, OS X, and every other OS out there should have that kind of features built in already, much like the Dashboard sandboxing already found in Tiger.


So my conclusion is that these screenshots are probably fake, both visually and conceptually. Nice try, though. :p


Oh yeah. Apple hasn't ordered a cease-and-desist yet, either.


I agree they are fake, but they're also a very neat mock-up of some potential features that I and a lot of people here would appreciate a lot, if implemented properly. And I'm guessing many of them will appear eventually, if not in 10.5, in 10.6 or further, at least.

And by the way, when those Dashboard screenshots surfaced, Apple was also very quiet too. ;)
 
4God said:
Ahhh, I got ya. So, would it seem then that this virtualization environment would use some sort of plug-in or driver to connect to windows in some fashion? - assuming maybe you have windows running in the background?

I think it work basically in the same fashion as the Core services are working at the moment (CoreAudio/video/etc.). So it would basically be a core process connecting the apps to the Windows process and therefore you'd be able to execute the apps "within" OS X.
That's my understanding anyway.
 
mcic1984 said:
oh yea - point accepted. after trying to superimpose text on top using Keynote I would agree WINDOWS is there and is centred.. But why would the words just mysteriously switch order? It would have to be a conscious decision to switch things around... And all the more an odd decision because neither Safari nor Firefox displays the application name...

Who knows a) what version they are using b) if the virtualization changes things like that, as it's not a deeply integrated app feature but more of Windows itself.
 
Yonizzle said:
That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

It is a Quicktime effect.

Yonizzle said:
That "hole" effect for desktop switching is patently stupid. If you're going to have multiple desktops, chances are, you'll think of them as having some kind of side-by-side arrangement in 2-space. So if there's going to be a transition between them, something that shows an edge between them makes way more sense than the "hole", which implies that they're all stacked.

And it just looks dumber than any of Apple's eye candy thus far.

Huh ?
I've been using multiple desktop for years and never thought them side by side.
I've got 2 screens for that.

And this effect is integrated into Quicktime.
It can be used in various video editing programs.

Vader said:
Looks like a photoshopped Tiger screenshot.
The menu bar also did not change design with the "new os" as it usually has.

Probably not the first thing they change...

grabberslasher said:
Also what's that nonsense about the IE7 window not having a shadow? It's there, take a look. It's not frontmost, so it has the small shadow.

Yes, the shadow IS here.
Non selected windows have a smaller shadow.
 
This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/211307/

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"
 
Peace said:
This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/211307/

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"

Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.
 
Diatribe said:
Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.

Oh I totally agree!!

It is fun to talk about whats coming..I just want to be sure people realize that what they see now may not be what they see later..And thus become dissapointed..

10.5 is going to knock our socks off!! ;)
 
so sure its a fake?

peharri said:
No, it's not "today's" date. The 14th was a Saturday. The clock shows Wednesday. I don't know where Jan 14th comes from, the only relevent date I can think of would be the supposed 2007 release date (mid January 2007), and I can't think why that would be harded coded into the iCal icon...


put ical on your dock... it shows July 17th on my computer ... when you open it it updates.. close it and it goes back to july 17...
 
I just have to jump in on this one, I think it would be crazy if Windows Xp ran aside OSX. A comment from that blogger's page: "The rumor is that because of the Apple/Microsoft IP cross licensing deal that was in effect under after the launch of XP, which would give Apple the legal right to implement the full Windows XP API natively in 10.5, Apple might be implementing just such functionality... which would allow IE7 to run essentially "natively" on OS X as though it were running on an XP box. No emulation, no dual boot... simply run the app and it runs just like it's on windows."

Bootcamp is in BETA right now, it's going to come standard with Leopard, and who knows how different it may look/run months from now. Leopard is about 6 months away, who knows how far Apple is in development with it. (The pic is fake in my opinion though)
 
Peace said:
Oh I totally agree!!

It is fun to talk about whats coming..I just want to be sure people realize that what they see now may not be what they see later..And thus become dissapointed..

10.5 is going to knock our socks off!! ;)

Yeah it wasn't meant to disregard what you said or anything, just saying that the important part is talking about what could be not if a picture has been altered or not. But good advising people to not get their hopes up, I agree. :)
 
Diatribe said:
Seriously, even if it IS fake, who cares? I'm having as much a blast talking about it as I am having thinking about features of Leopard. It's more the spark to ignite Leopard talk than an actual, factual discussion of technicalities.
My thoughts exactly. I didn't get that excited about OS X Tiger - but I bought it. If Apple and Intel pull this off for Leopard I don't imagine they'll have too much trouble getting us to get on board with the forthcoming Intel Mac Pro's.

And, if the forgery is on the mark - notice how the Windows version of IE 7 does not have Windows minimize, maximize buttons, etc. That would kind of wreck it don't you think? I could see myself running the Windows verison of Quickbooks over the Mac version, but I wouldn't like having to look at Windows UI elements. Running Windows programs on my Mac is cool - running Windows however... Well, lets just say I want to keep it as invisible as possible ;)
 
I think it is fake. If that is the next look, i must say it looks pretty good and would be a nice change. It is going to look hot though, thats for sure.

THe peephole effect is stupid and ugly. I hope not.

All i know about 10.5 is that I cannot wait for it to be released.

Also, I hope they release 10.5 at WWDC.
 
My vote is for fake. :)

Reasons, just the different ones from those mentioned in this thread (please forgive me if I missed these in the posts):

1) In the peep hole, the window underneath is showing the entire path on the top. In my opinion this feature would get very messy very quickly as you delve down into more buried directories. The target OS X user would have no need to see this much information, it would just clutter the window.

2) The avaliable HD space shown is just a little to high for me. (Granted the drive could be huge!) But, the screenshot appears to be from a laptop. The biggest apple shipped drive is 120GB. (Granted you could switch the drives. However, if this is a development system, most compaines (Apple) would probably not look favorably on messing with their misson critical systems) This user has installed OS X, developers tools, iLife with Garageband, and a full copy of Windows on a spearate partition? There is still 68.42GB left. Lots of users complain about how big the OSX and iLife installs are by themselves.

3) The drives are too clean for a development system. With tabs labeled Core Windows, SDK, and Caches, the creator of these images wants us to believe that this is a development machine. I know that when I was writing code I had files everywhere (ie desktop). Can you serious believe that he/she cleaned up, just to take these screen shots.

I think that some of these concepts are good ideas which I'd like to see in the next version of OSX. However in my opinion this cannot be not a real screenshot of Leopard. :)
 
Allow me to digress from the endless real/fake points and counterpoints to raise a different question--what does Leopard really need as a major OS update? For me, the list is short but important:

1. Improved Finder;

2. The ability to safely run Windows apps within OS X (the more seamless the better, obviously);

3. Network file synchronization (perhaps over Bonjour);

I'll probably remember a few more later on, but for now, rather than adding some minor bells and whistles I would really like to see Apple put resources into making the basics (finder, cross-platform functionality, networking) that much better. I don't remember the last time we were this close to a new OS update with little to no information about the upcoming features.
 
I still hope Apple will add this feature with Leopard:
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iGary said:
And Dictionary?

I think it is a hoax, but if it stirs attention for Leopard, that's cool. It's been too long since an exciting OS release...

Me too. Fake. Not enough new funky looking stuff for my liking. I'm a graphics whore.
 
It could be a fake or real. If its real remember that it would be on a dev machine or a "prototype" machine which can't be compared to current machines. Also being a dev myself and seeing Vista dev first hand, OS dev at this stage has many pieces being built by different groups that may not be merged in yet - with some parts running on current OS's just for stability sake. Almost* every "fake" point here is meaningless just because of that. Especially the ones about the keyhole anim being too much or an element not being perfect. If its real, its an alpha at best and its not going to be perfect and things like that are going to be rough.

I personally believe its fake, but that's mainly because I don't think Leapord will feature virtualization like that.
 
I like the looks of everything. It's almost certainly a fake (on sheer image-level stuff), but the concept looks great to me.
 
Peace said:
This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/211307/

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

This person is having a blast with folks here..

Same thing happened a few months ago with the "New MacBook photos"

You could be right, but why did these show up on Digg hours before being posted here?

And they were posted to the original Blogspot site at 11:42am yesterday. (I know this can be faked.) It seems more likely that macbookpro10 found these on Digg and copied them to his site. He even uses the same title from Digg in his post.

And it seems silly they would have messed up the DDR vs. DDR2 since they would have it right in front of them.

P.S. Mods, why wasn't the original thread used or merged?
 
Peace said:
This is fake and here's why..

A newbie named macbookpro10 started the discussion
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/211307/

macbookpro10 also just happens to be using a new MacBook Pro with ONE GIG of RAM.The same as in the "screenshots" :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #553

macbookpro10 also happens to be showing off his/her desktop that just happens to have Photoshop CS in the Dock :
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2534219#post2534219
Post #551

ALL of his screenshots are hosted on the same site that was used in the original screenshots..
He/She then went to other sites and posted the same screenshots.

The screenshots were done Wednesday..That's 2 days ago..and submitted to MacRumors on Thursday..

Would've got away with it, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids..

Like, zoinks, Scoobs..;)
 
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