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The carriers are out of line on this one and I’m not buying an Apple Watch specifically because of them. I will let Apple corporate know as well.
 
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The carriers are out of line on this one and I’m not buying an Apple Watch specifically because of them. I will let Apple corporate know as well.
Good luck with that. Care to explain how it's Apple's problem that the Carriers charge for services rendered? You're lucky the carriers are only charging $10 instead of like $50 for another data plan. But I suppose you don't tip your waitresses either for bringing you food instead of going to the kitchen and picking it up yourself?.
 
It would have been the right thing for the carriers to do is charge $3.99/month - at $10 they can shovel it. I always have my iPhone with me so I have no compelling reason to go LTE. But at a reduced cost I would - I'm sure others feels the same way.
 
While I'm not going to boycott the carriers, I'm also not buying the new watch. I didn't buy the previous ones because they needed the phone around to be really functional. Adding cell to the new one made it the watch I would want. But not at a $400 upfront and $120/year cost!

Did you think it would just magically get service without a phone or carrier attached in some way? They don't give data services away for free. I'm scratching my head at all the folks that didn't realize that this magically untethered device would need a paid for service in order to function. There are already Android watches on the market that have set the path for this.
 
Did you think it would just magically get service without a phone or carrier attached in some way? They don't give data services away for free. I'm scratching my head at all the folks that didn't realize that this magically untethered device would need a paid for service in order to function. There are already Android watches on the market that have set the path for this.
$15 is a lot if it’s coming from the same data pool as your phone. That’s why.
 
Did you think it would just magically get service without a phone or carrier attached in some way? They don't give data services away for free. I'm scratching my head at all the folks that didn't realize that this magically untethered device would need a paid for service in order to function. There are already Android watches on the market that have set the path for this.
No head scratching required. First, data used is data used; iPhone or watch makes no difference. Its the monthly cost of $10 just to have the watch access their network. Its all about the greed. We'll see if in 6-10 months what prices will be.
 
I wish we could be so together as a community, if we were, we would get what is right.

We would all prefer free, but fine, they are in the business of making money I get that, so $5 is not unreasonable. Just don’t tell me it’s the same as an iPad, it’s attached to my iPhone, its a companion device and the same number.

At least call and moan and complain:mad: :p
 
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No head scratching required. First, data used is data used; iPhone or watch makes no difference. Its the monthly cost of $10 just to have the watch access their network. Its all about the greed. We'll see if in 6-10 months what prices will be.

I've just heard people moaning for 2 years about a device designed to compliment another device how they could not use it without the first device. Now they can but they're mad they have to pay for that feature. The watch was designed as a companion to the phone, not a replacement for the phone. I'm still scratching my head. I am buying the LTE version but not putting service on it. I just want the ceramic back and 16gb of storage.
 
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It would have been the right thing for the carriers to do is charge $3.99/month - at $10 they can shovel it. I always have my iPhone with me so I have no compelling reason to go LTE. But at a reduced cost I would - I'm sure others feels the same way.
You are getting the data plan at a reduced cost. Data plans with carriers start at $50. So I'm not sure how you came up with $4 a month. Just a magic number you pulled out of the entitled air you breathe?
 
I doubt they'd care if people get a 3 with or without LTE - they are still selling a device.
The only time apple would care is if people stopped buying the devices all together..
 
I doubt they'd care if people get a 3 with or without LTE - they are still selling a device.
The only time apple would care is if people stopped buying the devices all together..

True. In my case I will waive upgrading for now entirely and hold on to my Series "0". I don't think a $10-15 device access charge will be long lived. Not sure it will be totally eliminated but I see it getting reduced as LTE watches become more common and competition between carriers comes into play as novelty wears off.
$5 max I view as acceptable.
 
You are getting the data plan at a reduced cost. Data plans with carriers start at $50. So I'm not sure how you came up with $4 a month. Just a magic number you pulled out of the entitled air you breathe?
Actually I think you're confused or just really bad at comparisons. it's not a data plan. It's an access charge to the data plan you're already paying for, and it will pull from that pool of data. Also how can air be entitled?
 
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“Yeah, let’s stick it to the carrier this time! That’ll show’em!”
 
You are getting the data plan at a reduced cost. Data plans with carriers start at $50. So I'm not sure how you came up with $4 a month. Just a magic number you pulled out of the entitled air you breathe?
I thought its part of your service..... are you saying $10/mon for how many minutes and data? Better check again.
[doublepost=1505423343][/doublepost]Please tell me this is not greed

https://www.macworld.com/article/3224885/hardware/apple-watch-series-3-data-plan-costs.html
 
Actually I think you're confused or just really bad at comparisons. it's not a data plan. It's an access charge to the data plan you're already paying for, and it will pull from that pool of data. Also how can air be entitled?
You're thinking way to logically when it comes to real world vs Carriers. Carriers see this as a new device, they charge for data plans not shared with your phones plan. This device has it's own number, your phone is just forwarded to that number in the DID. So it's not coming from your data pool. We're lucky they didn't charge more and consider this a hotspot service. As far as air being entitled your $4 price was pulled out of nowhere with no backing of price for services rendered in examples. You just feel entitled and because of that entitlement it should be cheaper than the actuality of the situation. Nothing is free in this world, somewhere someone pays for it including the operation of this forum.

I thought its part of your service..... are you saying $10/mon for how many minutes and data? Better check again.
Not sure what you're point is. If you have a carrier plan already, it's $10 a month to add the subscription for the LTE service on the Watch. Generally Carriers treat each device as their own service, they aren't with the Watch.
 
You're thinking way to logically when it comes to real world vs Carriers. Carriers see this as a new device, they charge for data plans not shared with your phones plan. This device has it's own number, your phone is just forwarded to that number in the DID. So it's not coming from your data pool. We're lucky they didn't charge more and consider this a hotspot service. As far as air being entitled your $4 price was pulled out of nowhere with no backing of price for services rendered in examples. You just feel entitled and because of that entitlement it should be cheaper than the actuality of the situation. Nothing is free in this world, somewhere someone pays for it including the operation of this forum.


Not sure what you're point is. If you have a carrier plan already, it's $10 a month to add the subscription for the LTE service on the Watch. Generally Carriers treat each device as their own service, they aren't with the Watch.
Hey genius. I didn't say anything about a $4 price.

Also, what part of "the data you use in the watch (streaming music for example) will come from your phones data limit" don't you get? If you're not on an unlimited plan, it will be treated as one data pool. The one you're already paying for. Not. A. Separate. Data. Plan.

It's really not that difficult to wrap your head around.
 
Hey genius. I didn't say anything about a $4 price.

Also, what part of "the data you use in the watch (streaming music for example) will come from your phones data limit" don't you get? If you're not on an unlimited plan, it will be treated as one data pool. The one you're already paying for. Not. A. Separate. Data. Plan.

It's really not that difficult to wrap your head around.
It’s only shared when your phone is within Bluetooth distance. When your phone is not and the watch switches to LTE it is not shared and is a separate device connecting to a tower. It’s not that hard to get. Also if you learn how to read the $4 comment wasn’t to you another user stated it. Stop being an ass.
 
Seriously guys, once next Friday rolls around you’ll see why the $10. But if you’re actually interested in paying attention, here goes: This is in fact a new line, at a rather low cost actually. It will be a new device with its own IMEI number on your account and use data from the pool of data you have, much like an iPad. Just because a phone call to your phone gets routed to the watch when they aren’t connected, doesn’t mean it has the same number. What’s happening is that in the absence of a Bluetooth connection, the call is forwarded to the watch by whatever your carrier calls their process (I think AT&T calls theirs Numbersync, or something).

Long story short, this device is an actual legit new/different device on your account, thus an extra charge.
 
The watch will have it's own line complete with it's own phone number.

I have an Gear S watch that I was using on T-Mobile. It always had it's own phone humber but yet, it was still able to get calls/texts/notifications from the phone to due forwarding set up in the Gear S app on the phone. This allowed me to leave my phone at home just as Apple is promising here.

I can literally take one of my three activated T-Mobile sims, place it in the watch and get calls from one of my other phones that I decide to pair with the watch. Apple is doing it no different then Samsung here.
 
Good luck with that. Care to explain how it's Apple's problem that the Carriers charge for services rendered? You're lucky the carriers are only charging $10 instead of like $50 for another data plan. But I suppose you don't tip your waitresses either for bringing you food instead of going to the kitchen and picking it up yourself?.

Pathetic comment. I tip my waiters, waitresses, and bartenders well. I have no idea where you came up with that. Do you work for CNN? Is Fake News your modus operandi?

I never said it was Apple’s fault that carriers are charging so much, but I will state that Apple does have the ability to try and talk the carriers into more reasonable pricing, such as $5 a month. That would drive sales and adoption on the cellular networks.
 
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I don't think a $10-15 device access charge will be long lived. Not sure it will be totally eliminated but I see it getting reduced as LTE watches become more common and competition between carriers comes into play as novelty wears off.
$5 max I view as acceptable.
For what it's worth, one of the providers here in NZ has already said that it'll be free. You can already add an iPad etc to your existing phone data plan for free and it's apparently going to work the same way with the watch.
 
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I pay ATT hundreds of dollars a month for cable. When I'm not watching that cable, I'm still paying for it.
And that's why people don't have cable anymore, it's a waste.
They don't charge people to watch on their phones or iPads when they aren't in front of their tv
I pay hundreds of dollars a month for my phone. If I don't use all my min or my data, I still pay for it. They shouldn't charge me an access fee to use something I'm already paying for.
I've got 10 years worth or rollover min and data that I've given back to them, and now they want to charge me extra? F-that
 
I pay ATT hundreds of dollars a month for cable. When I'm not watching that cable, I'm still paying for it.
And that's why people don't have cable anymore, it's a waste.
They don't charge people to watch on their phones or iPads when they aren't in front of their tv
I pay hundreds of dollars a month for my phone. If I don't use all my min or my data, I still pay for it. They shouldn't charge me an access fee to use something I'm already paying for.
I've got 10 years worth or rollover min and data that I've given back to them, and now they want to charge me extra? F-that

You’re not paying for only minutes. You’re also paying what they have done to give you that access. You think the prices you pay elsewhere are just for the goods? Cmon man. Bitch all you want, but you’re just wasting your time and missing the point.
 
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