Sooo... you laugh at those who have issues, but have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. Awkward.
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Let's Stop Avoiding The Hard Truth About Lion
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Sooo... you laugh at those who have issues, but have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. Awkward.
And Launchpad is now my preferred way that I access my Apps instead of within the Dock of Applications folder pre-Lion. Much quicker than before to access all my apps, but certainly to each is or her own.
I'd have to say I love Lion on my 2008 iMac Mini. No slowdowns or problems as decribed by the OP. I LOVE the gestures and the iOS-like interface myself. I'd hazard to say the best deal (at $29) Apple has even given me.
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I have the same problems. I have a 2011 macbook pro 13inch i5 with 4gb ram and 320gb hd and after installing lion, the whole operating system feels much slower and laggy. I get the spinning umbrella/beach ball thing or whatever you want to call it quite a lot. It bugs the hell out of me. I noticed that my friend's macbook pro (exact same model as mine) is much smoother when operating with the same version of Lion installed with much of the same settings as me so I have an idea of what's wrong.
I installed Lion and used time machine to back up all of my material during the install. I think that because I didn't do a clean install of the operating system and most of my files are over 2 years old, the imported files from the old macbook may be causing problems when in use with the new operating system.
I know this isn't very technical but I just feel the problem is the sheer volume of files and folders that were imported from snow leopard (and leopard before that) into lion are causing the file system to run slow. I'm doing a reinstall using the lion internet recovery and just copying over the files I want directly from the time machine backups myself once I have the operating system running and booted. I'll let you know if there's an improvement. I really hope there is. My friend's macbook pro is much smoother and I just think it's because he didn't have all those files to transfer over when he converted to lion.
If anyone's interested still, I'll post up to let you know how I get on.
I have the same problems. I have a 2011 macbook pro 13inch i5 with 4gb ram and 320gb hd and after installing lion, the whole operating system feels much slower and laggy. I get the spinning umbrella/beach ball thing or whatever you want to call it quite a lot. It bugs the hell out of me. I noticed that my friend's macbook pro (exact same model as mine) is much smoother when operating with the same version of Lion installed with much of the same settings as me so I have an idea of what's wrong.
I installed Lion and used time machine to back up all of my material during the install. I think that because I didn't do a clean install of the operating system and most of my files are over 2 years old, the imported files from the old macbook may be causing problems when in use with the new operating system.
I know this isn't very technical but I just feel the problem is the sheer volume of files and folders that were imported from snow leopard (and leopard before that) into lion are causing the file system to run slow. I'm doing a reinstall using the lion internet recovery and just copying over the files I want directly from the time machine backups myself once I have the operating system running and booted. I'll let you know if there's an improvement. I really hope there is. My friend's macbook pro is much smoother and I just think it's because he didn't have all those files to transfer over when he converted to lion.
If anyone's interested still, I'll post up to let you know how I get on.
Lion OS X is a lion. Fix the bugs, we'll talk about the truth of lion after that. I sign myself
I'm 99% Satisfied with OS X Lion...
I'm having problems with iPhoto '09--for some reason the photos (or the previous library) can't be found even though the thumbnails are still available for all the photos. Weird, right?
Besides that glitch, I'm finding the new OS mostly enjoyable. I didn't like the fact that it didn't support my MS Office '04 any longer, as well as a few other applications. I write a ton, so MS Word was like another body appendage. Fortunately, using the Mac App Store, I can download Apple's Pages app for a mere $20 investment (way better than buying the new MS Office for $100). It kind of irritates me that I have to buy anything at all, but it happens with OS upgrades sometimes, much less with Apple than with Microsoft.
Since I purchased the computer in January 2007, I have upgraded to Tiger, to Snow Leopard, & now to Lion. Only the last upgrade is requiring me to purchase anything new whatsoever. All the other upgrades were backward compatible with my existing software. I really can't complain, not considering that I've had this computer longer than I've had any other single piece of hardware by far. I really don't feel that I need to upgrade my computer to a newer model. I guess that will be the way I feel until either the computer is unusable or Apple moves to an all SSD hardware configuration--right now, the available SSD capacity is maxed at 240GB & is ridiculously expensive. I can get a 2.5", 2TB 7200RPM drive for much less or at least the same price.
Either way, I appreciate the move toward an OS format that is iOS friendly. I have liked the idea of a remote backup, but their only offering cost $99/year! Now, iCloud is totally free! Having it backup my computer & sync with all my Apple devices is fantastic! It makes life so much easier.
While the whole OS X Lion upgrade has been a mixed bag, it's been mostly positive. I can appreciate where Apple is going, & I hope they continue to make my computing life easier.
I'm having problems with iPhoto '09--for some reason the photos (or the previous library) can't be found even though the thumbnails are still available for all the photos. Weird, right?
Besides that glitch, I'm finding the new OS mostly enjoyable. I didn't like the fact that it didn't support my MS Office '04 any longer, as well as a few other applications. I write a ton, so MS Word was like another body appendage. Fortunately, using the Mac App Store, I can download Apple's Pages app for a mere $20 investment (way better than buying the new MS Office for $100). It kind of irritates me that I have to buy anything at all, but it happens with OS upgrades sometimes, much less with Apple than with Microsoft.
Since I purchased the computer in January 2007, I have upgraded to Tiger, to Snow Leopard, & now to Lion. Only the last upgrade is requiring me to purchase anything new whatsoever. All the other upgrades were backward compatible with my existing software. I really can't complain, not considering that I've had this computer longer than I've had any other single piece of hardware by far. I really don't feel that I need to upgrade my computer to a newer model. I guess that will be the way I feel until either the computer is unusable or Apple moves to an all SSD hardware configuration--right now, the available SSD capacity is maxed at 240GB & is ridiculously expensive. I can get a 2.5", 2TB 7200RPM drive for much less or at least the same price.
Either way, I appreciate the move toward an OS format that is iOS friendly. I have liked the idea of a remote backup, but their only offering cost $99/year! Now, iCloud is totally free! Having it backup my computer & sync with all my Apple devices is fantastic! It makes life so much easier.
While the whole OS X Lion upgrade has been a mixed bag, it's been mostly positive. I can appreciate where Apple is going, & I hope they continue to make my computing life easier.
How do you turn off the blue iPhone auto text correct? It was fine before by just underling typos in red... Now you have red and it auto correcting like it does on iPhone.
I've pretty much felt the "hard truth about Lion" is that it is mostly just fine. However that can't be said for iCloud. While it will apparently back up iOS devices (but not mine since they are too old) it doesn't back up Macs at all (beyond calendar and address book). You still need a separate backup strategy.
No, it won't back up your Mac yet because there's just too much stuff on a Mac. On both my iPhone and iPad each backup to iCloud is about 1.5gb, but on a typical Mac there's bound to be at least ten times that amount of information.
I love your signature!
Lion takes a while to get used to. I hate how when I use preview and adjust saturation for an image just to play around that it actually saves the changes. I can't just quit and choose to not save and I have to restore to a previous version. That and the longer boot times and high memory usage.
And exactly how, pray tell, do you "double tap with 3 fingers" on a mouse?
As far as Mission Control is concerned, SL's Exposé had a far better implementation. Finally, for Versions, I'd much rather decide when *I* am going to save various version of a document rather than the OS deciding.
Lion actually has stopped me from updating my MBA to the i7 SSD. I was going to gift my 2010 SSD MBA to my son for xmas, but I can't pull the trigger on this forced OS.
Interesting how there are so many rabid fanboys in this thread; if one makes a comment critisising Lion the "minuses" rack up in short order.
Yes. Because of that I stopped replying these threads, although I am still in Snow Leopard because Lion has more negative than positive feedbacks. SPECIALLY for the ones who have mid-2010 macbook pro.
That is because the critiques are pretty lame.
"I hate launchpad, you should delete it so no one else can use it either".
"I hate mission control, you should make it the way it was before because I said so".
"Lion is slow, I have no proof at all, but it is!"
"God I hate auto correct, let me keep spelling like crap..stupid apple helping me...".
"I can't believe full screen mode doesn't work across my 4 monitors. Why can't you handle zooming calculator out that big dummies?"
etc.
Look, if you don't like it, don't use it... easy! If it isn't working, bring it to the apple genius... easy!
I actually really like Lion, but I'm also not having any of the problems some of you are having, so I appreciate why some might not like it.
I love launchpad. I launch everything from it. Nothing is permanently on my dock anymore except Finder, system pref, launch pad and mission control. I access open program from the dock sometimes, but it's more like the multitasking tray in iOS for me.
Full screen apps are great. Love mission control. Love the new mail. Love the new gestures.
I would like iMessage and, since I spend most time in full-screen apps now, I think a drop down notification center like in iOS would be useful.
Oh and Game Center please.
I love launchpad. I launch everything from it. Nothing is permanently on my dock anymore except Finder, system pref, launch pad and mission control. I access open program from the dock sometimes, but it's more like the multitasking tray in iOS for me.
Full screen apps are great. Love mission control. Love the new mail. Love the new gestures.
I would like iMessage and, since I spend most time in full-screen apps now, I think a drop down notification center like in iOS would be useful.
Oh and Game Center please.
Considering how many threads there are where anyone saying anything positive about Lion gets downvoted, to have one go the opposite direction isn't a sign of 'rabid fanboys.'
He didn't say complaining was bad, did he? No. He said the complaining that had gone on was lame. It's one thing to complain because something is actually broken – it's another thing to complain simply because you're not used to it or don't use it (such as with Launchpad) and therefore don't like it, which is what a vast majority of the whining about Lion is.What do you think of complaining about something you dont like? According to your text, its a sin!
So, lets stay quiet and never complain. I remember that something like this happened in Germany, in the 40's... I am not sure...
What do you think of complaining about something you dont like? According to your text, its a sin!
So, lets stay quiet and never complain. I remember that something like this happened in Germany, in the 40's... I am not sure...
wow... so now we are nazis for liking lion and thinking your reasons for crapping on it are lame? You should apply to fox news.
Hi, my dear friend!
Did you open the link I posted?
Do you think that replacing the logic board twice and still have the same problem is lame?
Thank you for your contribution!
Haters gonna hate... I know!
Which the poster on your link says THEMSELVES is not a software issue, but a hardware one? And to your tasteless attempt to weasel in a swipe about being quiet and relating that to Nazi Germany, I present you Godwin's Law. Btw, very low using that in this argument.
I can't compare Lion with previous versions as I only used them a little. I am moving from Windows 7 to Mac OS X Lion and to be fair, I find it to be a really responsive and stable OS (maybe less mature than Win 7 in some aspects but better on others).
I run it on a Mac mini mid-2011 with 8 GB RAM. Really smooth, no hangs (I only had some in Firefox but since yesterday, a Firefox update fixed it so it's not OS-related).
I run it on a Mac mini mid-2011 with 8 GB RAM. Really smooth, no hangs (I only had some in Firefox but since yesterday, a Firefox update fixed it so it's not OS-related).
Lion is not slower than SL. Both OS's run the apps at the same speed. The only thing slower on Lion is Finder. And that's not gonna cause any issues with 99% of the users. It only is annoying for people used to working "faster than finder" can handle, i.e. you are ready to do a new operation before Finder finishes opening a window etc.
But Lion finder is generally more stable than SL Finder, which had crashing issues more often than Lion finder, at least in my experience.
Launchpad is an app. It doesn't consume resources and nobody has to use it. And for most people complaining about Apple not giving them enough choices, here is one more choice compared to SL, to access to your apps.
Mission Control, a step in the right direction and two steps back. I miss the old Expose where I could see all windows, not stacked on top of each other.
So I'm generally happy with Lion. It took less time for 3rd party kexts to support Lion than they did with SL for sure, so Lion became usable faster than SL was.
But I also want the Finder to get a bit more responsive, and I want window expose back.
Ah also, I want my Finder to be able to resize windows correctly, which Lion finder still can't. This is something each new OS broke and fixed later but Lion is taking a bit more time on that.
But Lion finder is generally more stable than SL Finder, which had crashing issues more often than Lion finder, at least in my experience.
Launchpad is an app. It doesn't consume resources and nobody has to use it. And for most people complaining about Apple not giving them enough choices, here is one more choice compared to SL, to access to your apps.
Mission Control, a step in the right direction and two steps back. I miss the old Expose where I could see all windows, not stacked on top of each other.
So I'm generally happy with Lion. It took less time for 3rd party kexts to support Lion than they did with SL for sure, so Lion became usable faster than SL was.
But I also want the Finder to get a bit more responsive, and I want window expose back.
Ah also, I want my Finder to be able to resize windows correctly, which Lion finder still can't. This is something each new OS broke and fixed later but Lion is taking a bit more time on that.
I don't really have that much of a complain about Lion after doing a clean install. Launchpad? See no use for it, so I took it off my dock. I launch apps better and faster with a combination of the Dock, a stack of my Applications folder in it and Spotlight. No need to go into an additional interface layer to look for my applications.
Mission Control on the other hand very much detonates and is my favorite feature of Lion. It is Spaces/Expose consolidated and streamlined. The way you can just swipe through desktops and fullscreen apps with a two finger swipe is fantastic. Very much love Mission Control.
My only issue right now is the dreaded Black Screen Of Death (BSOD), which I began to experience after installing Lion. I have been pulling my hair out over this as it happens at random, and I am always with the fear that the next clic my computer will have the BSOD. For instance, today my computer has had it three times by me simply scrolling the contents of a message in Mail. The other day it was with trying to install xCode. It won't let me install it because I get the BSOD all the time at the exact same point of the installation.
Other than that, I am ok with Lion. The whole autosave/versions things hasn't really been an issue for me yet. I don't use iWorks or any program that has it yet.
But really, the BSOD is the worst thing to ever exist in the history of mankind.
Mission Control on the other hand very much detonates and is my favorite feature of Lion. It is Spaces/Expose consolidated and streamlined. The way you can just swipe through desktops and fullscreen apps with a two finger swipe is fantastic. Very much love Mission Control.
My only issue right now is the dreaded Black Screen Of Death (BSOD), which I began to experience after installing Lion. I have been pulling my hair out over this as it happens at random, and I am always with the fear that the next clic my computer will have the BSOD. For instance, today my computer has had it three times by me simply scrolling the contents of a message in Mail. The other day it was with trying to install xCode. It won't let me install it because I get the BSOD all the time at the exact same point of the installation.
Other than that, I am ok with Lion. The whole autosave/versions things hasn't really been an issue for me yet. I don't use iWorks or any program that has it yet.
But really, the BSOD is the worst thing to ever exist in the history of mankind.
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Well i have got the time machine to time capsule bug had it on my macbook pro after going to 10.7.2 then the other day it bit my mac mini. now i have issues with finder acting up it goes to not responding in lion and disk utility too.