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Let's Stop Avoiding The Hard Truth About Lion
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I installed Lion on my MBP to test it before I would go to install it on my MP workstation. After using Lion since the launch, I have no finally retraced my steps and went back to Snow Leopard for my MBP.
Things that annoyed me:
- Expose missing (in the way I knew and loved it)
- Quicklook
- Preview
- Versions
- Restore Windows tickbox
- Scrolling uses high CPU
- Runs very hot
- Slow animations
So glad I could go back...
Things that annoyed me:
- Expose missing (in the way I knew and loved it)
- Quicklook
- Preview
- Versions
- Restore Windows tickbox
- Scrolling uses high CPU
- Runs very hot
- Slow animations
So glad I could go back...
My MBP came with 10.5.5 or there a bouts . Upgraded it through 10.5.8, upgraded the installation to 10.6.0 when it came out and did all updates. Then upgraded again 10.7.0 and currently running 10.7.1.
Never done a clean install.
I install and remove software almost on daily basis.
I play games, do heavy photo work, do video work, and regular office stuff for work.
My MBP has been running great and fast since the day I got it. It doesn't crash, it doesn't beach ball, I don't have high cpu load with flash and safari and I never experienced any of the bugs laid out on these forums.
The only problem I have is that sometimes the machine hangs on sleep, but other than that it's been smooth sailing.
Then again, I never had problems with upgrades from W2K to XP to Vista to 7, including all service packs and all beta's starting beta 3 for each release either when I used a PC (no clean installs in between!).
So I guess knowing what you are doing and maintaining your computer properly helps a bit to keep it running as it should.
Never done a clean install.
I install and remove software almost on daily basis.
I play games, do heavy photo work, do video work, and regular office stuff for work.
My MBP has been running great and fast since the day I got it. It doesn't crash, it doesn't beach ball, I don't have high cpu load with flash and safari and I never experienced any of the bugs laid out on these forums.
The only problem I have is that sometimes the machine hangs on sleep, but other than that it's been smooth sailing.
Then again, I never had problems with upgrades from W2K to XP to Vista to 7, including all service packs and all beta's starting beta 3 for each release either when I used a PC (no clean installs in between!).
So I guess knowing what you are doing and maintaining your computer properly helps a bit to keep it running as it should.
So I guess knowing what you are doing and maintaining your computer properly helps a bit to keep it running as it should.
Yeah, that's it....
Don't forget that during the last go-round almost everyone who had issues was using haxies.So I guess knowing what you are doing and maintaining your computer properly helps a bit to keep it running as it should.
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Just to redact my previous statement, lion apparently had nothing to do with my problems. The hard drive was failing. Not something to expect within 4 months of buying a 2000 dollar computer but it wasn't lion's fault. My computer should be back to it's former speed in a couple of days when the genius bar is done replacing the hdd.
wywern209 said:
Just to redact my previous statement, lion apparently had nothing to do with my problems. The hard drive was failing. Not something to expect within 4 months of buying a 2000 dollar computer but it wasn't lion's fault. My computer should be back to it's former speed in a couple of days when the genius bar is done replacing the hdd.
I think the main issue about Lion is still the change in functionality, not the bugs.
Eventually all the bugs will be sorted out, but the grouping of windows in Mission Control, the unsupported full screen mode for external monitors, all that stuff are not considered bugs, but should definitely be changed.
From my point of view, just too many people are having problems with the set up they have now. Apple should seriously consider adding options for these, and it wouldn't/shouldn't affect the quality of the OS or affect it's complexity.
BUT FIX MISSION CONTROL
Eventually all the bugs will be sorted out, but the grouping of windows in Mission Control, the unsupported full screen mode for external monitors, all that stuff are not considered bugs, but should definitely be changed.
From my point of view, just too many people are having problems with the set up they have now. Apple should seriously consider adding options for these, and it wouldn't/shouldn't affect the quality of the OS or affect it's complexity.
BUT FIX MISSION CONTROL
Given up on trying to get Lion to work
After installing Lion on my 27" iMac I had no issues apart from some of the noted annoyances, other than that it seemed to work fine. So I installed it on my 15" Macbook Pro, biggest mistake I ever made and so glad I had a full backup. I simply gave up trying to get mail to work, and any attempt to get updates continued to tell me the OS was not designed for this mac (2010 i7 MBP. Lion was purchased on the MBP, downloaded and installed on it too. I tried a full clean install but had the exact same results. Restored my previous Snow Leopard and all is fine again. I have no idea why Lion will not work properly on my MBP.
After installing Lion on my 27" iMac I had no issues apart from some of the noted annoyances, other than that it seemed to work fine. So I installed it on my 15" Macbook Pro, biggest mistake I ever made and so glad I had a full backup. I simply gave up trying to get mail to work, and any attempt to get updates continued to tell me the OS was not designed for this mac (2010 i7 MBP. Lion was purchased on the MBP, downloaded and installed on it too. I tried a full clean install but had the exact same results. Restored my previous Snow Leopard and all is fine again. I have no idea why Lion will not work properly on my MBP.
This is what I've discovered as well. For some machines, Lion seems to work well (but not flawlessly) and I have no issues keeping Lion on those computers.
However there are some Macs that simply reject Lion and has all sorts of issues even after a clean install, and this is what bothers me. In comparison to Windows which has to accomodate hundreds of different manufacturer configurations, Lion can't even seem to work on a very small amount of configurations on their own Apple branded products.
Something to keep in mind, just because you don't have a problem using Lion, doesn't mean there aren't problems within Lion.
Snow Leopard felt like the ultimate OSX to me, problem free and with the clever features i missed before. Lion isnt really that stable, im having all sorts of various small issues that brings back uncomfortable memories of my Windows days.
Most annoying is wifi problems and beach balling with transmission and VLC.
Im not downgrading though, im sure they will improve lion with updates.
Most annoying is wifi problems and beach balling with transmission and VLC.
Im not downgrading though, im sure they will improve lion with updates.
it's logical to expect bug fixes, enhancements over time with Lion.
snow leopard WAS amazing; felt like the last in a line of OS'es.
but i have no problem with Lion (outside of some minor things), and look forward to time with it, and where it takes me...
snow leopard WAS amazing; felt like the last in a line of OS'es.
but i have no problem with Lion (outside of some minor things), and look forward to time with it, and where it takes me...
I upgraded after installing a new HD in a 2011 2.2Ghz 15" a few days ago. It has a few little quirks that i'm still getting used to, but overall I'm really happy with it. Excuse the cliche, but it seems snappier. Having a near current machine helps a lot too I suppose. My current HD is woefully slow so I'm really looking forward to getting a SSD.
It seems like a completely new OS to me with the animations and style differences. I'm having trouble with the "helpful" features, like the iOS style spelling correct, (i'm not sure what to do about this) google instant view, (options-top right of google browser window) safari last session reload (turn off in System Prefs under General).
It seems like a completely new OS to me with the animations and style differences. I'm having trouble with the "helpful" features, like the iOS style spelling correct, (i'm not sure what to do about this) google instant view, (options-top right of google browser window) safari last session reload (turn off in System Prefs under General).
I remember the days when nothing was compatible with macs.. a fact that PC users loved to rub in my face. I felt vindicated when that changed, but it looks like I'm back to having PC users laughing at me again... so disappointing. Do I really have to go out and buy all new software? It's not so much the expense, it's just the time to figure out what I have to buy, and then learning how to use it.. I'm too old for this. For the first time in my life, I'm thinking of making my next computer a PC.
Well I join the club of people who installed Lion the day it got pushed through the Mac App Store, used it for three months and got tired of the...
- Slow boots
- Third-party applications lags and hiccups
- Useless features :
*Launchpad? I mean seriously ? I got a grid app folder in my dock... if they want to kill Mac OS X and turn it into iOS, then they'd rather do it truly to lose everyone over ubuntu or Windows.
*iCloud/Resume/Auto-save/Versioning ? I'm already on Dropbox.
*Mission control ? I only use one desktop and Exposé is more than enough.
*Full Screen apps ? You kidding right ?
*Resume, isn't the boot time slow enough ?
- Slow shut down
So yeh I reverted back to Snow Leopard and fully agree with OP
- Slow boots
- Third-party applications lags and hiccups
- Useless features :
*Launchpad? I mean seriously ? I got a grid app folder in my dock... if they want to kill Mac OS X and turn it into iOS, then they'd rather do it truly to lose everyone over ubuntu or Windows.
*iCloud/Resume/Auto-save/Versioning ? I'm already on Dropbox.
*Mission control ? I only use one desktop and Exposé is more than enough.
*Full Screen apps ? You kidding right ?
*Resume, isn't the boot time slow enough ?
- Slow shut down
So yeh I reverted back to Snow Leopard and fully agree with OP
I guess you haven't seen Windows 8 "Metro" or Ubuntu "Dash", both features that in their own way mimic Launchpad and iOS. And unlike Launchpad, which you can ignore, you can't get rid of Metro or Dash.
I guess you haven't seen Windows 8 "Metro" or Ubuntu "Dash", both features that in their own way mimic Launchpad and iOS. And unlike Launchpad, which you can ignore, you can't get rid of Metro or Dash.
Windows 8 Metro is nothing like Launchpad and you can disable the Metro UI if you really wanted to.
I don't even use launchpad... i have a mac from before they switched the buttons and i took the button off my dock.
I didn't see how you can delete it. Even if you bring up the normal desktop, when you click "Start" you don't get the popup but get Metro back. I must admit that I found the preview so buggy that I ended up deleting it after a few minutes.
Visually, I'll admit that Metro is nothing like Lanchpad, but functionally they serve the same purpose -- basically a touchscreen approach to starting apps.
You can disable the Metro interface start menu very easily in Windows 8 DP, http://www.mstechpages.com/2011/09/14/disable-metro-in-windows-8-developer-preview/
Also, this is a preview. Its meant to showcase the interface. When windows 8 is actually released I am certain it will be very different.
I never said you had to use it, my reply was in response to how Launchpad and Windows 8's Metro UI are the same. However I agree with you that when I use Lion, Launchpad is nowhere to be found on that machine.
You can do a search online to find out how to do it. If you were looking for an official option to disable the UI then you won't find that. Look at the following link for an external solution. http://winaero.com/download.php?view.15
W8 is still in the works, it needs a lot more massaging however with each incremental change it seems to be getting better, I just wish I had a touch-capable machine to test it further.
However I still don't see how you can compare Metro to Launchpad in that manner, that's like saying a horse driven carriage is the same thing as a modern automobile because they both need external power to drive 4 wheels.
Metro is significantly more advanced than Launchpad, they're nothing alike. First Launchpad is like the OS X dock in that it only serves to launch apps but in a grid instead of a row. Metro's tile interface allows for much more information to be displayed, can be customized unlike Launchpad, can display realtime information for RSS feeds, weather reports, etc. just to name a few.
Metro is not without its faults though, first if I were forced to use either with a traditional keyboard and mouse (because I don't have a touch interface), Metro can be very annoying as it's designed to take advantage of touch screens. It's been suggested to Microsoft that Metro should only be enabled by default only if the hardware has touch-capable devices being used.
