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LG Ultrafine 6K announced
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Confirmed minimum height is 522.3 mm / 20.6 inches. So that means it is indeed minimum 4.3" above the table.
This is a possible outcome, because it seems in the industry, they are moving away from Mini LED screens in monitors, the word is that manufactures are developing OLED and IPS Black screens as a priority. This is different to televisions where they are actively working on RGB Mini LED panels as well as OLED's for the market. Sony is working on RGB Mini LED to replace its OLED flagship models. So as Apple are moving towards OLED across its devices, with the rumoured change to the MacBook Pro screen to tandem OLED next year, it is very possible they may leave Mini LED behind too. And I have to say, if I watch F1 on my M3 Max 14" MacBook Pro and my M4 iPad Pro, the iPad OLED screen DOES look noticeably better.
I have emailed LG to ask them about the compatibility with 11th Gen Intel chips and this monitor, hopefully they will offer a reply this week. I think a 32" is my only option, looking at it with 2 laptops my desk is too small for 2 monitors. I may change and sell my MacBook Pro and get a Studio too possibly. Perhaps when it gets the M6.
Apple's implementation of miniLED on the MBP is the best I've seen on a computer screen, way better dimming than any desktop monitors at least (Probably not as good as new Sony RGB TVs). If they can make an equivalent experience @ 27" that would be wonderful and a good compromise over gambling with static images and lower brightness of an OLED panel.
I know that tandem OLEDs can get plenty bright, but I don't think panels that large and dense exist?
I know that tandem OLEDs can get plenty bright, but I don't think panels that large and dense exist?
Partial tandem OLED TVs are already shipping and get super bright, but if you lower the brightness they should be more resistant to burn in.
Primary RGB Tandem OLED TV tech explained: how it works, why it’s better than MLA and how it compares with QD-OLED
Primary RGB Tandem (aka ‘Four-Stack’) OLED tech is here to take the brightness battle to QD-OLED
@EugW while 350nits fullscreen is decent, it's quite a bit dimmer than the 600 nits fullscreen on current mac displays.
At midday with the sun beaming through the window, I often use my ASD around 80% brightness (dark mode).
The ability to overcome ambient light with the brightness headroom is one of my favorite things about the monitor. I'm not even sure the new LG 6K @ 450nits would be good enough
At midday with the sun beaming through the window, I often use my ASD around 80% brightness (dark mode).
The ability to overcome ambient light with the brightness headroom is one of my favorite things about the monitor. I'm not even sure the new LG 6K @ 450nits would be good enough
The LG G5 TV hits about 400 nits full screen sustained, and 2500 nits peak.
The LG 6K should hit about 600 nits full screen in HDR, but nobody has done a formal review of it yet. However, the Dell 6K uses the same (or similar) panel and hits 620 nits full screen in HDR, as measured by third party reviewers. As for the 450 nits spec, that is for SDR. Remember, the Apple Pro Display XDR only hits 500 nits in SDR.
However, personally, for SDR use, I typically calibrate my monitor in the low 1xx nits range, eg. about 120 nits. Even 200 nits is too bright for my liking. This monitor goes up to around 500 nits according to reviews.
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the Pro Display XDR can sustain 1000 nits SDR with a little help from a nice little utility
but yeah, absolutely 450 vs 500 nits probably isn't even noticeable. I drop under 200 nits most of the day, just bring it up when the sun is beaming.
but yeah, absolutely 450 vs 500 nits probably isn't even noticeable. I drop under 200 nits most of the day, just bring it up when the sun is beaming.
Sadly the MacBook Pro Display isn’t as good as the iPad Pro OLED display is, you can see that when comparing them side by side.
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Just a note that the chroma test pic in that message was for SDR.
If I understand his later post correctly, s/he says it's also fine for HDR, but we don't have the HDR pic.
it doesn't really matter. Full 6K60 can't fit into DP1.4 without DSC even in 8-bit color mode (unless "2 tiles 1 display" solution is used).
True but I wasn't sure if it was a bug that could affect HDR only. However, as mentioned, we already have our answer anyway for the LG through TB4/DP1.4, since @oKUtItyp stated that 4:4:4 works for both SDR and HDR.
It seems Apple is friendlier to LG than Realtek. Or perhaps I should say it the other way around, that the LG is friendlier to Apple, whereas Realtek may be doing something a bit different that macOS doesn't like. Anyhow, it appears it's not the specific 6144x3456 resolution that's the problem, but Apple's interaction with the specific chipset. (I'm assuming here LG is using their own chip and the Kuycon is using Realtek. What chipset does the Dell 6K use?)
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System-wide scaling to 6144x3456, testing pattern png opened in preview at 100%, 4:4:4 for me regardless hdr on or off.
What country are you in, and when did you order? BH Photo says October 23, and Best Buy just updated its website to indicate delivery or pickup on October 23 too, based on a 90210 zip code. It's not on Amazon.com yet.
Here in Canada, it was always November anyway. I pre-ordered on the first day; it said November 3 then, and it still says November 3 now. BestBuy.ca says November 7 shipping, and Amazon.ca says November 8 - December 9 delivery.
A quick check around the net shows:
France 11/11 - €1799 (€1499 before 20% VAT ~ US$1748)
Germany 10/27 - €1999 (€1680 before 19% VAT ~ US$1958)
S. Korea ?date - ₩2622600 (₩2384182 before 10% VAT ~ US$1678)
England early Nov. - £1799 (£1499 before 20% VAT ~ US$2012)
BTW, last week I saw Best Buy Canada had 17 available and this week it's still the same 17 available. However, I suspect the reason Best Buy Canada isn't receiving pre-orders is because it's way cheaper to get it from LG, as you can see in this post.
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If anyone is interested I got the following from LG regarding the 11th gen Intel compatibility:
"Concerning the compatibility of your Dell Latitude 5420 with the new 6K Thunderbolt 5 monitor, we have reviewed the product specifications. According to LG’s official requirements, full functionality with this monitor requires a system with an Intel 12th Generation processor or newer, along with Windows 11 or later. Your Dell Latitude 5420 is equipped with an Intel 11th Gen Core i5-1145G7 processor, which means it may not support all features of the monitor fully.
While basic display output is likely possible through the Thunderbolt 4 ports or HDMI socket, certain advanced features such as 6K resolution, high refresh rates, or Thunderbolt 5-specific functionalities may be limited or not supported at all. We advise testing the setup and ensuring your Windows version is up to date. However, please note that LG cannot guarantee full compatibility or optimal performance with systems below the minimum specifications."
So basically it is a try it and see situation. Considering the specs state t can support 6K at 60HZ I think it will be ok. I mean Asus do not make any requirements for their 6K 60HZ panel using Thunderbolt 4.
"Concerning the compatibility of your Dell Latitude 5420 with the new 6K Thunderbolt 5 monitor, we have reviewed the product specifications. According to LG’s official requirements, full functionality with this monitor requires a system with an Intel 12th Generation processor or newer, along with Windows 11 or later. Your Dell Latitude 5420 is equipped with an Intel 11th Gen Core i5-1145G7 processor, which means it may not support all features of the monitor fully.
While basic display output is likely possible through the Thunderbolt 4 ports or HDMI socket, certain advanced features such as 6K resolution, high refresh rates, or Thunderbolt 5-specific functionalities may be limited or not supported at all. We advise testing the setup and ensuring your Windows version is up to date. However, please note that LG cannot guarantee full compatibility or optimal performance with systems below the minimum specifications."
So basically it is a try it and see situation. Considering the specs state t can support 6K at 60HZ I think it will be ok. I mean Asus do not make any requirements for their 6K 60HZ panel using Thunderbolt 4.
Summary of Ruslan's various reviews:
First Asus had horrible backlight bleed. Second Asus has a small bit of backlight bleed, but it's acceptable for him.
First Asus had a weird texture / look to the matte surface, but this weird surface is not present on the second Asus.
Colour and brightness of the Asus is very good, and well matched to the MacBook Pro with the Asus' Mac-specific profile.
Asus is much slower to wake up from sleep than Pro Display XDR and LG.
The LG has no backlight bleed at all. It's essentially perfect from this standpoint.
The LG has a bad blue tint in several spots near the edges.
Aside from the blue tint, colour is excellent, but the standard profile out of the box doesn't match his MacBook Pro as perfectly as the Asus. The LG has not been calibrated however.
It is mildly less bright at max than the Asus.
Matte surface is somewhat similar to the second Asus in its effect on pixel clarity, both noticeably different from glossy.
LG is almost as fast at wakeup as the Pro Display XDR. I believe the XDR is 4 s, the LG is 5 s, and the Asus is 10 s.
He's trying to return his LG, but LG USA is not very good for customer support. They said they'd get back to him in 2 days, but it's been 5 days already with no response from them.
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Personally I hate backlight bleed. Even small amounts of it irritate me, but I guess it would depend upon how small. My 2010 27" iMac didn't have it, but developed a bit of it years later, and I still notice it every time I turn it on. My 2017 27" has zero backlight bleed. However, I would also hate a noticeable colour cast. For the LG, it's bad on Ruslan's unit, but the Japanese (p)reviewer did not indicate having any such colour cast.
For wake up time, my Huawei is also fairly slow, but I got used to it. It's a little annoying, but not a deal killer for me. Nonetheless, a faster wake up time like on the LG would be welcome.
The colour calibration of the LG being slightly off from the MacBook Pro doesn't really bother me much. I use a Mac mini so I wouldn't be comparing it against a MacBook Pro, but I would calibrate it anyway with a SpyderX Pro. I believe LG's own calibration software can use the SpyderX Pro hardware, but one can also use the SpyderX Pro software.
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From the various threads I gather that neither the 6016x3384 Asus nor the 6144x3456 LG suffer from the 6K DSC bug, and both get 60 Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 colour via Thunderbolt 4/USB-C. This is in contrast to the 6144x3456 Dell and Kuycon monitors, which get only 60 Hz 10-bit 4:2:2 colour via Thunderbolt 4/USB-C.
None of the monitors support brightness control natively in macOS when using Thunderbolt/USB-C, but this is supported through third party app add-ons. However, it appears some do support native brightness control via HDMI without third party apps necessary.
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More LG UltraFine 6K in the wild. These setups are way too tall and overwhelming for me, but to each his own.
LG 6K plus 2 x LG 5K, M1 Max MacBook Pro.
This person initially really liked the matte 6K, but over time decided s/he prefers the glossy 5K.
LG 6K plus 2 x Dell 6K. Says the Dell and LG panels look identical (as they should given they are both LG).
I wonder why LG took so long to release their 6K monitor. It's literally 2.5 years after the Dell.
LG 6K plus 2 x LG 5K, M1 Max MacBook Pro.
This person initially really liked the matte 6K, but over time decided s/he prefers the glossy 5K.
LG 6K plus 2 x Dell 6K. Says the Dell and LG panels look identical (as they should given they are both LG).
I wonder why LG took so long to release their 6K monitor. It's literally 2.5 years after the Dell.
Damn. The LG 5K with those thicc bezels make that 27" almost the same size as the 32" display!
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thanks, great to hear that!
But may I ask you to provide a screenshot of system settings where resolution, refresh rate and HDR toggle would be visible at the same time?
Something similar to my screenshot: