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Good - I want a DISPLAY not all that junk thrown in. 38" is way too big for a desktop monitor. 27-32 is the sweet spot. There's a reason Apple went to 6k for 32", it keeps the PPI at their required minimum.

And there's a reason why people use dual or triple or even more monitor which combined is way way bigger than what i'm asking. And there's a reason why apple boost the macbook pro can support 2 or more displays. so yes, having large canvas does help a lot in productivity. though it depends what kind of work you do. not all need large display and not need multiple ones.

i'm working on 34 inch wide monitor and it helps a tonne.
 
Looks like a fantastic display. Waiting to hear its price but it should most likely be cheaper than the Studio display from Apple.
 
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Who do you think makes the xdr display?

(Spoiler: it’s LG)
I know it’s LG and they make very good quality displays. I’m really curious how much this one will cost because it could excellent fill the cap Apple left behind.
 
“Picasso had a saying: ‘Good artists copy, great artists steal.’ And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.” (Steve Jobs 1996, Triumph of the nerds).

So please stop whinging about other companies copying Apple designs.
I find this always funny because competitors seems to introduce their “copied” things long before Apple is able to introduce the hardware.

On the software side: it took Samsung only 2 months after the iOS 18 release for coming out with their skin that completely mimics iOS 18 functionality and look and feel. Together with better hardware, it must be hard for Apple to compete.

In the meantime Apple is slowly introducing things that are available on other devices for years.
 
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The xdr is not mini led

In fact this is likely either the exact same LG manufactured ips panel as the xdr or an improved one
I think it in the miniLED ball park - Regular Full Array Local Dimming displays from the 2010s were typically limited to <100 "zones" by the size of the LEDs (on a 65" display). The XDR display has almost 600 zones (1-1.5 LEDs per square inch) - possibly not quite as high density as the latest TCL miniLED panels (4-5 LEDs per square inch), but still much higher than typical LED monitors.
 
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218 PPI makes this display pretty much useless for Mac users because of atrociously incompetent scaling in macOS.

I still hope that some company will finally come out with a 5K 32” OLED.
This is patently false. You clearly haven’t used a 6K+ display like Apple’s or Dell’s the past 5 years.

You need 6K minimum for 32-inch for minimum high PPI (~218 PPI, DPR of 2)
 
I replaced my monitor recently, and the bezel is so thin there is no good way to attach a webcam. So what do you do on this bezel-less monitor?
Logitech made a Pro Display XDR webcam that connected to the top of the monitor far more elegantly with a magnet.

The same could be used here and the cameras would use the monitor’s USB-C port
 
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“Picasso had a saying: ‘Good artists copy, great artists steal.’ And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.” (Steve Jobs 1996, Triumph of the nerds).

So please stop whinging about other companies copying Apple designs.
Has anyone whinged about it? I think the points have been made that LG have unashamedly copied, but will hopefully provide a more affordable option. No one here cares that they copied, just that it’s finally happened that someone can match them after 5 years!
 
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I hope this beast has the USB-C video issue (power but no video) that affects many LG HD monitors resolved...
 
I replaced my monitor recently, and the bezel is so thin there is no good way to attach a webcam. So what do you do on this bezel-less monitor?
Logitech made a Pro Display XDR webcam that connected to the top of the monitor far more elegantly with a magnet.

The same could be used here and the cameras would use the monitor’s USB-C port
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exactly - I have it and it is ok.
 
I think it in the miniLED ball park - Regular Full Array Local Dimming displays from the 2010s were typically limited to <100 "zones" by the size of the LEDs (on a 65" display). The XDR display has almost 600 zones (1-1.5 LEDs per square inch) - possibly not quite as high density as the latest TCL miniLED panels (4-5 LEDs per square inch), but still much higher than typical LED monitors.

miniLED is not a ballpark, but if it was the XDR isn't in it

"The image [below] is a 3-second exposure shot in almost total darkness. On the left, the Dell UP3221Q Mini LED display; on the right, the Apple Pro Display XDR. Both were paused while playing the same 4K HDR local dimming test video, in HDR mode, and powered by the same M1 MacMini."

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We agree that 5k is not worth the difference -- 80% more pixels to push for 20% reduction in pixel size. My 2020 iMac 27" struggled with 5k. 5k only exists because of macOS scaling and Apple's decision to make the hardware fit the software rather than the other way around. Nobody else uses it or cares about it. Same with the 6k in the 32" display.

I boot both my M4 Mini and PC to the desk Dell U2723QE 4k 27" monitor and there's definitely a difference and the presence of artifacts or moire if I use "looks like 1440p" on the Mac. And on Windows I mix this monitor with a second, 1080p 144Hz monitor, and Windows handles it without a hiccup. I don't bother with it on the Mac because low ppi displays look like garbage since Apple got rid of sub-pixel aliasing some years ago -- one has to wonder why.

“Looks like garbage” is exactly what I am saying why this is massively overblown. It looks crisp and clean here for me. Maybe you have a bad cable or monitor.
 
What's really amazing is that LG managed to copy Apple's exact design, but in a way that actually allows for the consumer to choose between using the HAS or VESA mounting their monitor without having to buy a separate accessory or specify which option they want at the time of purchase.

Just shows how much Apple goes out of their way to not make things user friendly (without an additional purchase)

I'm glad more and more folks are noticing how much Apple screws their customers
 
Just shows how much Apple goes out of their way to not make things user friendly (without an additional purchase)
You know, when the XDR came out with the requirement to separately purchase either the VESA adapter or the HAS, I figured that at least they did it so that however it is mounted, it would look seamless. It was (and is) still an incredibly stupid design, given that VESA mounting has been a long-since-solved problem, but it at least appears to be built to cater to the form-over-function tastes of its target prosumer market.

When the Apple Studio Display came out, however, all that went out the window. The VESA mount version of that monitor looks absolutely horrible. Between the idiotic non-removable power cable, the strikingly ugly VESA mount, and the mid-level webcam, the ASD is just the textbook example of a half-assed design made to cater to people who buy based on dubious specs and, of course, the logo.

Not that I can fault Apple. They play the marketing game better than anyone in the world, and the first rule of that game is "know your audience."
I'm glad more and more folks are noticing how much Apple screws their customers
Pity that Apple's most loyal customers aren't anywhere among that group.
 
When the Apple Studio Display came out, however, all that went out the window. The VESA mount version of that monitor looks absolutely horrible. Between the idiotic non-removable power cable, the strikingly ugly VESA mount, and the mid-level webcam, the ASD is just the textbook example of a half-assed design made to cater to people who buy based on dubious specs and, of course, the logo.

Agreed

And this is from the company who takes FOREVER to design and release products, and we're always assuming it's because of their meticulous process and thorough attention to detail

nah

Just slow, cheap and lazy these days

They seem to spend most of their design time now on ways to extract more revenue per customer
 
I wouldn't bet on it being "way cheaper". LG's looks to be a rather high-end design with aluminum casing and no bezel.. unlike Dell's atrocious plastic design, with massive uneven bezels. I'd guess this will be priced at $4,995, with eventual discounts bringing it just under $4K.

If they really try and sell this $4995, they'll be lucky to sell it to themselves.


The xdr is not mini led. In fact this is likely either the exact same LG manufactured ips panel as the xdr or an improved one

The Pro Display XDR would be on an older panel design as it is not an "IPS Black" panel. And you are correct in noting it does not use miniLED backlighting, but it does have 576 lighting zones which allows it to achieve a higher brightness and better light control than a the full LED backlighting this LG display will use along with the Dell 6K, the Apple Studio Display and LG and Samsung 5K displays.
 
Unashamedly STOLE Apples Pro Stand. If you can’t beat them, copy them.
That was Apples famous line from Steve Jobs. And let’s hope the LG display comes with the stand included at a normal price 😊

I’m sure it will be a bestseller and lots of people were waiting for something like this.

Very nice LG. Thank you 😊
 
And this is from the company who takes FOREVER to design and release products, and we're always assuming it's because of their meticulous process and thorough attention to detail
...nah, Just slow, cheap and lazy these days
As Forrest Gump would say - "I think maybe its both. I think both is happunneng at the same time.."

There is definitely attention to detail going on - the problem is that more often than not, the "detail" getting Apple's attention has nothing to do with enhancing the workflow of the end user. Again, though, this isn't something I'd necessarily blame Apple for. At least not directly. When you have a whole host of loyal customers who think that a 5" cube is a great design for a desktop computer and that an aluminum chassis is the definition of "good build quality" for a monitor, you have to make.. creative.. design decisions.

They seem to spend most of their design time now on ways to extract more revenue per customer
Apple has mastered the art of cultivating consumer elitism into stupid-high profit margins. If you can convince people that they belong to an elite group (even call them "professionals".. but please don't forget the quotes), then it only takes some very incremental product specifications (say, 5k instead of 4k resolution, 1000 nits of brightness instead of 400, and an aluminum body) to convince those people to open their wallets wide.

It is the same marketing technique that has driven the sales of tens of thousands of Canon XL1 video cameras, Bose, Klipsch, and KRK speakers, Monster power conditioners, and Ford F350 trucks to people who convince themselves they need that level of power, but who have absolutely no idea how to use it.
 
Maybe ultrawide is a solution instead of classic 16:10 etc

I have an ultra-wide OLED for gaming and it definitely be a better option that two monitors put together but it's resolution isn't high enough for productivity IMO - and to be honest even for gaming i'd happily go back to a 16:10.
 
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