I'd blame Qualcomm as Android OEMs don't design their own chip like Apple. Qualcomm is the bottleneck they stop supporting their chip after 18 months which is why the Pixel also only have 18 months support.
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LG's UltraFine 5K Display Is a Worthy Companion to the New MacBook Pro, Even Without Apple's Looks
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I'd blame Qualcomm as Android OEMs don't design their own chip like Apple. Qualcomm is the bottleneck they stop supporting their chip after 18 months which is why the Pixel also only have 18 months support.
I thought for a review written after 24 hours of use, and focused on what we actually use it for - looking at stuff and connecting other stuff - that it was very well written and answered my questions.
If the camera provides good quality for Skype and video calls, and the speakers can stream the audio clearly, that's enough.
With all the complaints there have been for over a decade concerning Apple's displays and the fact that for the same money you had a better display or a similar display for less money, I'd say that Apple's customers would be having a party. The only peripherals Apple that are actually fine or superb would be the keyboards (although the new butterfly ones are highly debatable) and the trackpads. Everything else is just not that good.
They are not meant to do that, they are LG's own displays and represent LG. Apple only helped them out a bit.
Then hopefully they get to see all the good non-Apple products they have been missing for years. Yes, there really are better alternatives out there in terms of quality, performance and looks when it comes to peripherals. You miss out on some really great stuff if you stay in an Apple-only ecosystem.
Thanks I cancelled my order right before reading this review. As good as it seems, I think I'll wait until March when the discount should still be available and there will be more real world usage. For this price, the warranty period should be better (my dell p27q15 has a 4 year warranty)
It's better now IMO than it ever was, including software experience.
But the biggest thing I've noticed with tech is sticking with older hardware longer and not expanding what you want to do with tech based on newly introduced features helps you have a better experience than using all the latest stuff.
Also the fact that they aren't releasing crazy amounts of new hardware is something I respect. I think computer manufacturers and software devs are advancing us at a pace that is too fast.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone released late, and released rarely?
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No because it kills security. Security is getting more and more important so having quick fixes and less security related bugs in the first place is key. For that you need to manage your code which means that you need to release less but more often. It keeps the amount of code to a minimum and therefore makes things less complex which in turn means testing, bug fixing, etc. is easier to do. For users it also means that with less changes they need to learn (or relearn) less making things a lot more user friendly.
The only thing that developers need to do, is release a completed feature that is well tested. That is something some developers are forgetting in the new model and that indeed is a problem.
In the end you really do not want to release later and rarely because it is very hard to manage. There are too many changes and the changes are too big. When something goes wrong it makes it more difficult to find out what is going wrong and how to solve it.
The only thing that developers need to do, is release a completed feature that is well tested. That is something some developers are forgetting in the new model and that indeed is a problem.
In the end you really do not want to release later and rarely because it is very hard to manage. There are too many changes and the changes are too big. When something goes wrong it makes it more difficult to find out what is going wrong and how to solve it.
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You could actually not be more wrong. 27" is the perfect size for 5K, because when you scale to 200%, aka go retina, you end up with a logical resolution that is perfect for 27". With 4K at 200% scaling you end up with logical 1900x1080, which is way too big for 27" or bigger. So if you want to stick with a resolution of 4K you the display size should be something like 21-24". For 27-32" 5k is the best resolution.
Of course you could go with 150% scaling or something, but personally I have always found 200% to be the best looking.
What don't you understand here. They needed to incorporate the camera up there somehow. So you either make only the top bezel larger to accommodate that and leave the other three sides smaller. Or you make the top larger, and the other three larger to match for uniformity sake. Obviously they chose option one.
I own one, and honestly if you made the other three sides the same size as the top, I think it would look worse. This is all a matter of opinion of course.
Aesthetically I think this screen is beautiful, and follows the minimalist philosophy Apple has always championed. It's also in line with other new products from the Apple family such as the matte headphone from Beats and the matte iPhone 7.
We've been looking at metallic silver Apple computers for a while now, the space grey is a great addition, but trends move on and maybe this is a brief glimpse into the future.
The addition of the camera on top looks like it has compromised the symmetry of the screen. But I'm sure if they removed it or downgraded it for this reason many people would be crying about aesthetics over function.
Let's be honest, we'd all be happier with a MacBook Pro that was a few millimetres thicker if it meant squeezing in an extra 16gb of RAM.
At this price band it will be aimed at professionals, professional users such as retouchers or photographers, users that will probably be adding a hood. Strap a hood to this bad boy and aesthetics are truly out of the window. (ugh!).
The inclusion of the glossy screen however I believe to be a backwards step. No professional wants to be looking at a reflection of himself while trying to do retouching.
We've been looking at metallic silver Apple computers for a while now, the space grey is a great addition, but trends move on and maybe this is a brief glimpse into the future.
The addition of the camera on top looks like it has compromised the symmetry of the screen. But I'm sure if they removed it or downgraded it for this reason many people would be crying about aesthetics over function.
Let's be honest, we'd all be happier with a MacBook Pro that was a few millimetres thicker if it meant squeezing in an extra 16gb of RAM.
At this price band it will be aimed at professionals, professional users such as retouchers or photographers, users that will probably be adding a hood. Strap a hood to this bad boy and aesthetics are truly out of the window. (ugh!).
The inclusion of the glossy screen however I believe to be a backwards step. No professional wants to be looking at a reflection of himself while trying to do retouching.
Alternatively, put a big slab of aluminium at the bottom with a picture of an apple on it.
Who says you can't have both? Carrying a sleek aesthetic design and having a great quality screen aren't mutually exclusive ideas. It's nearly 2017 and pretty much every major company who sell monitors/TV's have at least a couple models that checkmarks both boxes.
The keyword from the very first sentence in this article is "co-developed." It's been made pretty clear that these monitors are not Apple monitors from the simple fact they don't have an Apple logo on them. But for Apple to:
-Get rid of their entire Apple-branded monitor line
-Explicitly state that they will not plan on designing/releasing more in the future
-Team up with LG to "co-develop" a peripheral that is fully integrated with OS X and specifically the new MacBook Pro's, with both the laptops & monitors being released in the same time frame
-Advertise and endorse these specific LG monitors
-Sell them exclusively through the Apple store
You can't tell me that Apple had no say whatsoever in the physical design. Someone higher up could of seen the conceptual design and simply added a few suggestions or remarks. Most higher-end LG screens are actually quite pretty and minimal. The puzzlement stems from the fact that these 2 design-savvy companies joined heads and this is what we got.
Personally, the screen quality is what matters to me most too. Again, happy to hear the monitors are technically solid.
It's not that they're running ads, but that they disguise ads as stories that people object to.
That said, they run so much ad code, that my iPad 4 usually crashes the browser when I try to load MR on it.
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If that's true, it's an easy fix for Apple.
Lock out bootcamp from ever working again with a firmware update. That's how they usually solve problems these days.
Happy new year everyone here at macrumors. I hope Apple fulfills your bezel dreams in 2017 with an Apple designed 10k sub-$1000 monitor with 6 USB A ports that puts the LG to shame and is better value than the $200 svga monitor you picked up at tigerdirect.com blowout ten years ago.
I'm using the 5K Dell monitor with my '16 MBP and it works just great. The monitor uses multiple stream transport with DP 1.2 to achieve 5k@60Hz. That's why two cables. TB3 can support MST over a single cable so that's how the LG display only needs the single cable. I'm using a StarTech.com TB3 to dual DP adapter so I only need to use a single TB3 port on my MBP to drive the monitor.
Just wanted to give an update. I was told by Apple support turning off "hard drive sleep" option to fix my new MacBook doesn't wake up when connected to an external monitor issue.
It worked for 2 days. Today it failed again through. I have to disconnect the monitor, hold down power key to force shutdown, and restart. Not good.
It worked for 2 days. Today it failed again through. I have to disconnect the monitor, hold down power key to force shutdown, and restart. Not good.
You are right and I understand that decision from a business perspective. Then again their displays were expensive as hell, so I guess they had calculated that into their price. Also, the last ones (Thunderbolt and Cinema) were sort of weirdly targeted: they were priced like pro equipment, but the displays themselves (made by LG) weren't god enough for real professionals, who would prefer a NEC or EIZO). MacBook Air + Thunderbolt Display cost when released was over $2000! But what the Apple displays did and what I can not let go was the fact they fit and created a coherent Apple ecosystem. They looked and worked great from a marketing and user experience standpoint. Now if Apple wants to cut cost and increase their margins by nixing all peripherals (displays, routers) and sending customers to 3rd party solutions, then their whole ecosystem loses some if its lure. If I have to buy a nondescript, black plastic display and a regular, coarse router then I'll start questioning the purchase of a Mac. Why get the more expensive Mac if it doesn't really give me extra benefits and ease of use and I might as well go with Windows 10 laptop/desktop. And when I'm at Windows 10 and out of most Apple services, why stick to the iPhone? Might just go with Android and rely solely on Google services.
Not really. I bought MacBook pro because of the OS, not the ecosystem. The built quality played a role too. On many areas the osx is just so much superior than Windows especially what I do for work. I used Windows over 15yrs since Windows 95. Once I switched to Mac I couldn't go back to Windows. Mac is the only apple product I own. I use Android nexus phone, Asus router, LG display, etc.
I'm glad LG made this 5k display under $1000. If this is apple branded I'm sure it will have $1699 or $1999 price tag and no way I will spend that much on a display.
Thanks for your addendum.
Perhaps it has little to do about the display (or your article) really, but more a sentiment concerning Apple.
Absolutely , as long as what they released was a major update. Making a computer thinner is fashion....