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LG's UltraFine 5K Display Is a Worthy Companion to the New MacBook Pro, Even Without Apple's Looks
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Sucks that the USB ports are at the original 3.0 speed of 5gb/ps. Not everything uses 3.1 spec bandwidth, but it'd be nice to have since this is clearly a long-term investment for the majority of people.
That said, you can still daisy-chain devices using the Mac's Thunderbolt 3 ports so it's not all bad.
That said, you can still daisy-chain devices using the Mac's Thunderbolt 3 ports so it's not all bad.
I don't have a hub connected, but I have an external USB drive connected and it is sometimes not recognized like you described. 13" TB model.
Many items could have been thinner on release.
1-iPods got thinner on yearly basis
2-Xbox and Playstations
3-iPhones
4-Even Apple's own packaging. Things used to be packed in bigger cases, with further development the made them fit in smaller cases.
The problem with this is it continues the trend of Apple abondonibg the "ecosystem" to rather focus on "core" products. Apple has sold apple branded displays for 40 years. Networking hardware for at least 30. The 100% integration, aesthetic continuity and easy setup was part of the ecosystem concept. Power users would buy 3rd party stuff but the non techie could count on camptible products with Apple support. AppleCare would even cover those products when used with a covered computer.
Now thanks to Cook, the ecosystem is being degraded. He obviously doesn't get it. Even Sculleys Apple understood the ecosystem. Sad...
Now thanks to Cook, the ecosystem is being degraded. He obviously doesn't get it. Even Sculleys Apple understood the ecosystem. Sad...
Apple used to make dot matrix and laser printers, too. At some point accessories become so commoditized it makes little sense for Apple to offer products that would not be competitive on price or performance with other manufacturers. Displays are a great example today.
Apple still manufactures, sells, and supports networking hardware. At some point in the future, I suspect the current AirPort series will be retired for more modern and robust mesh systems by Apple, assuming the can add some secret sauce to differentiate them from other manufacturers.
thee thunderbolt display, although dated screen wise, was and still is a pretty sexy looking monitor and prob one of the best built still to this day with that gorgious glass front and aliminium unibody designI'm sure it's a nice display, I use a couple LG displays myself and I do think they tend to look better in real life than in photos, but that top bezel just looks so bad to me, like some kind of rejected upside-down iMac prototype.
If only they'd made the bottom bezel the same thickness it might have looked more balanced. I'm sure it'll make no real difference when using it of course, but it's just odd-looking IMHO. Maybe someone should make an aluminium chin attachment
I do find it sad Apple isn't making displays anymore though, whilst the input options were usually very poor, and the cost was often (not always) very high for the specifications for most of their time on sale, they tended to be beautifully designed objects.
Anyway, I hope anyone getting one enjoys it, I'm sure the actual screen will look stunning.
The rumor is Apple is halting further development on AirPort products. That does not mean they're stopping production, sales, and support - right now. It also does not mean Apple is not developing newer network products, such as mesh-based systems.
If Apple is working on a more advanced and more robust networking product, there's no doubt in my mind they would be halting further development on the current AirPort line.
Bear in mind that driving the 5k display takes up a lot of bandwidth - can't find a figure but I think its about 30 Gbps, I think (5120 x 2880 x 30bpp x 60 Hz = 26.5 Gbps) so as the max TB3 bandwidth is 40Gbps, finding a further 10Gbps for a USB 3.1g2 port is a bit of a squeeze in theory and, in practice, with overheads and inefficiencies (plus a bit for the speakers, mic and webcam) you're probably never going to get full USB 3.1g2 performance.
Realistically, the only things you are going to daisy-chain from the display will be things like mice, keyboards, gigabit ethernet dongles and SATA external drives that can happily work within the <10Gbps of spare bandwidth. If you have a peripheral that can actually use USB 3.1g2's 10Gbps speeds, you'd be best advised to connect it directly to the computer to get optimal performance (and its going to be a specialist device of some sort so you'll want optimal performance).
Also (theoretically) with a 2016 tbMBP, it would probably make sense to hook the display to one of the the (right-hand-side?) TB3 ports that don't get full PCIe bandwidth (which shouldn't affect the DisplayPort performance) leaving the full-fat TB3 ports free for directly connecting high-bandwidth TB3 devices.
Yeah, it really ruins an otherwise nice experience. I've found that not using clamshell mode is the only thing that works.
I hope that Apple will fix this in software, but I wonder if it's an issue with the LG monitor, how would Apple address that.
Two questions: 1)why is Apple/LG fixated on 27" monitors? Is there a technical reason for the 27" standard? And 2nd question: how does this monitor compare to colour rendition from the best NEC monitors? I know many graphic artists are pretty picky on colour rendition and just would like to know how accurate these new LG ones are?
For sure when I downgraded in size from the 30" cinema display to the latest (now old) 27"iMac it was very disappointing. Resolution much better of course but 27" just doesn't cut it compared to the great size of 30". For photographers like myself 30" is far better.
Sad Apple is abandoning monitors, their pro-programs and seems to be pretty awful on updating desktops now. Really feel they have done their pro-users a disservice.
For sure when I downgraded in size from the 30" cinema display to the latest (now old) 27"iMac it was very disappointing. Resolution much better of course but 27" just doesn't cut it compared to the great size of 30". For photographers like myself 30" is far better.
Sad Apple is abandoning monitors, their pro-programs and seems to be pretty awful on updating desktops now. Really feel they have done their pro-users a disservice.
Apple likes 27" (5K) and the 21" (4K) sizes because at retina resolution, they natively provide a consistent size for UI elements. This allows users to connect a computer and have everything display at very close to the same size on all screens. Apple also allows users to scale things, but it's ideal when everything can be at native resolution.
Personally, I think it's a good idea, but I'm not intending to defend the choice, just explain it.
Can you turn off the MacBook monitor though when not in clamshell mode ?
No lights on the monitor. No buttons. "It just works" , until it doesn't. There is absolutely no way to diagnose the issue. Apple worked with LG on these monitors, the new MacBooks are years overdue. Made for each other and it causes hard crashes right out of the gate. I don't get it.
If Dell release a nice 4K USBC monitor with thin bezels, in a few days at CES, I'm returning the LG 4K. At least with the dell I can try different things to fix the issue, and will likely have more ports in the back. I do like the metal stand on the LG and the speakers are nice.
is Apple planning to kill iMac in the near future? Apple could have saved money by reusing the display tech used in iMacs in apple display. Glad apple is so generous to kill its own business for the benefit of others. Corporate Charity!!! Lol!!!
They probably have: LG make the 5k, P3 displays for the iMac anyway (see the teardown). In fact, the LG display is exactly what you'd expect from an Apple Thunderbolt 3 display stripped of the nice Jony Ive aluminium and glass case.
Also, since DisplayPort 1.3 is still as rare as hens' teeth, external 5k displays still need to use MST - i.e. they treat the screen as two separate displays joined together, each with its own DisplayPort 1.2 stream (although Thunderbolt 3 disguises this by combining two "virtual" DisplayPort 1.2 streams into a single TB3 cable).
The current all-in-one 5k iMacs don't have to worry about external connections, and can use a proprietary display connection & panel controller. Its possible that a new 5k iMac with a shiny new GPU could use DisplayPort 1.3 internally (but still no target display mode).
The real question is why Apple didn't refresh the Thunderbolt Display when they last changed the design of the iMacs in 2012. That's the point at which Apple clearly gave up on developing standalone displays.
These are the 5k panels in production:
http://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&resolution_pixels=8680
I would choose 32" 4k over 27" 5k, like upcoming LG's 32UD99: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10916/lg-announces-32ud99-4k-ips-display-with-95-dcip3-hdr-and-usbc
STILL, I'd like to know if older macs with 2xTB2 could drive 5k Ultrafine. They have been able to drive Dell's 5k and Dreamcolor 5k.
Be glad Ive had nothing to do with it or we would have to buy a dongle just to plug it into the wall. The only excuse for the new MacBook Pro not fitting into the current ecosystem and soldering everything to the motherboard IS because Jony is designing laptops on his lunch break. Ive no longer shares Job's vision of getting things right for the pro-user or building tour-de-force laptops.
Can you daisy chain a second 5K to another 5K into a 15-inch tbMBP? Or do the need to their own port form the system? (looks like you have to plug one in on either side of the system..which may be due to the bus system...odd).
That and apparently the tbMBP needs 87w and this only provides 85w...?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207448
That and apparently the tbMBP needs 87w and this only provides 85w...?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207448
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I have it and it's fine, but it looks so tiny next to my two 30" ACD's. I wanted a much bigger monitor from Apple, but I guess I'll try to get used to it. Not a negative review, just disappointed with the size - Where's the 45"+ 5k monitors?
Why did Apple let them release a monitor that doesn't match the Mac (and why would LG not match it themselves)?
Why did Apple let them release a monitor that doesn't match the Mac (and why would LG not match it themselves)?
I think we can all at least agree that we are sick of people saying what Steve would have done.
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People haver very short memories or didn't know to begin with that Apple has always obsoleted one technology after another. I love having four USB-C port. It's a great very versatile port and dongles are a short lived thing. I replaced my back up drive with a USB-C drive already and once I get the monitor more will go. People are acting like a few cheap dongles are the end of the world...why you identify Ive with dongles I don't know...USB-C is a technology not a design decision.
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How many people do you think want a 45" monitor? That's what the 3rd party market is for. I don't care what this looks like. It looks fine to me. I've been using 3rd party monitors for years. I haven't had a TB monitor since they never moved beyond USB 2.
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Yes that's the price for 5K. A precisely doubled version of 2560X1440. It would be nice to have full speed ports but I would rather have 5k and 5GB ports are sufficient.
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I worked at Motorola at the time. Motorola introduced the ROKR and Jobs was at the ceremony. He hated the device though.
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Also many Apple devices have had LG screens.
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Laughed out loud at the first comment and nodded at the second
Jeebus this just announced 8k dell monitor looks stunning. And not just the screen.
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/5/14098224/dell-up3218k-8k-computer-monitor-price-features-ces-2017
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/5/14098224/dell-up3218k-8k-computer-monitor-price-features-ces-2017
