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Light Peak Coming in Early 2011 With Apple at Forefront?
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I know USB 3.0 and this Light Peak is the fasted connection speed but the question is where there be hard drive who can read and write 10Gb/s. Those who still have 5400 rpm or 7200 or even SSD won't be able to attain the speed due to limitations on the computer itself. Its like it will be stored on the mass amount of RAM until it is all moved into the HD or SSD.
Oh goodie. This will turn out just like Firewire. It will be on all Macs for a few years. Meanwhile the entire PC industry will implement both and, while Lightpeak will be used in niche markets, the true winner will be USB3.0.
Apple will implement USB3.0 in their 2015-series Macs and partially phase-out Lightpeak, years after everyone else, and will be praised as "revolutionary."
Apple will implement USB3.0 in their 2015-series Macs and partially phase-out Lightpeak, years after everyone else, and will be praised as "revolutionary."
It will be a couple more years until we see read and write speeds on the motherboard and SSD.
What happened to all those people in the "USB 3.0 Not Taking Off Thread" that said Light Peak is years away?
So what happens to USB 2.0?? Will Apple cease to include it on new Macs? And don't forget all the USB 2.0 peripherals....hard drives, Flash drives, TV tuners, printers, speakers, Hell - current iPods and iPhones!!
What if you do NOT want a wireless keyboard and mouse? Will we be wasting Light Peak ports just to plug in a keyboard and mouse?
Maybe it would make sense to just include both Light Peak AND USB 3.0 just as FW and USB, 1.1 and later 2.0 were included on previous Macs.
What if you do NOT want a wireless keyboard and mouse? Will we be wasting Light Peak ports just to plug in a keyboard and mouse?
Maybe it would make sense to just include both Light Peak AND USB 3.0 just as FW and USB, 1.1 and later 2.0 were included on previous Macs.
does this make a desktop computer obsolete now? with lightpeak, whats stopping me from buying 1 xserve and 4 displays, mice, keyboards and running lightpeak to 4 different rooms instead of 4 imacs? this would especially be beneficial to larger corporations, 10-15 servers could replace 100-150 desktops depending on what they are used for...
Yes, Apple will continue to support USB 2.0 (which is backwards compatible to 1.1) on new macs But they will probably drop firewire in favour or lightpeak and not support USB 3.0. USB 3.0 is not even supported by any Intel chipsets. If that is not a clue enough for you that 3.0 is a dead standard then I don't know what will clue you in.
Lightpeak is not a big deal because it can replace USB. Lightpeak is a big deal because it can replace USB and Firewire and PCI and PCI Express and SATA and SCSI and DisplayPort and DVI and HDMI. It can be used to connect all the components both inside and outside the machine using a single connection architecture.
Uh... what's stopping you from doing that right now ?
Unix has been able to do what you just said for years using just USB and a bunch of graphics adapters. Just configure different X servers to launch and you can essentially use 1 box with 2 or more monitors/keyboards/mice that are completely independant.
Heck, for desktop virtualisation, there are much better solutions. ICA, RDP, XDMCP, NX and all sorts of thin client boxes (Wyse is a big producer of such boxes with support for multiple protocols).
Thin clients were invented somewhere back in the 70s. The CEO of Sun back in the 90s, Scott McNealy was his name IIRC, had a catchphrase for it : "The network is the computer!". Sorry if you thought your idea was clever or something.
You mean like x86-64 that was an AMD instruction set at first that Intel did not support ? Now how did that one turn out I wonder...
I guess anything that Intel does is automatically a "standard"!? Do we have to recount all the other Intel "standards" over the years that got abandoned? LP is a new technology that might become a real standard over the next few years, like 802.11... , or, it might not.
This article sounds like a paid job (by Apple)
The article about Intel developing Light Peak contains words: Intel - 11 times, Apple - 11 times, DELL - 0 times, HP - 0 times. It also contains ridiculous statements like this: "If Apple implements Light Peak, it would be a safe bet that the company will have a lot to say about the technology--maybe with a catchy name in tow." Sure. Intel develops new technology and then asks Apple to name it. Unnamed sources. And all of this on a week when Steve Jobs sends the following e-mail: "We dont see USB 3 taking off at this time. No support from Intel, for example." and Intel officially announces support for USB 3.0:
Intel recently notified its partner about its latest platform Chief River that adopts 22nm Ivy Bridge processors with native support of USB 3.0, according to sources from motherboard makers.
Coincidence? I think not.
The article about Intel developing Light Peak contains words: Intel - 11 times, Apple - 11 times, DELL - 0 times, HP - 0 times. It also contains ridiculous statements like this: "If Apple implements Light Peak, it would be a safe bet that the company will have a lot to say about the technology--maybe with a catchy name in tow." Sure. Intel develops new technology and then asks Apple to name it. Unnamed sources. And all of this on a week when Steve Jobs sends the following e-mail: "We dont see USB 3 taking off at this time. No support from Intel, for example." and Intel officially announces support for USB 3.0:
Intel recently notified its partner about its latest platform Chief River that adopts 22nm Ivy Bridge processors with native support of USB 3.0, according to sources from motherboard makers.
Coincidence? I think not.
Finally someone who sees things clearly! Was starting to worry for a minute there.
Lightpeak is much slower than a standard, full duplex x16 PCI-Express slot.
I am guessing there will be some kind of interface adapter to make old interfaces work with Light Peak
I hope they do something to mitigate possible cable damage. I suspect shorter lengths will have copper wire too to allow power as well on one plug. Probably a custom Apple plug incompatible with the rest of the world.
But LaCie will have it.
I wonder if somebody will make a card and dongle for that widely deployed slot to compete with LP on older installations?
Okay, so you have LP, you still need a dongle to plug in all those disparate peripherals.
Rocketman
But LaCie will have it.
locust76 said:
I wonder if somebody will make a card and dongle for that widely deployed slot to compete with LP on older installations?
Okay, so you have LP, you still need a dongle to plug in all those disparate peripherals.
Rocketman
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People wondered why the comment " no support by Intel " (referring to USB 3.0) was such a big statement.
If you know what's on the horizon, then announcements like these aren't really a shocker. Intel will not support USB 3.0 because its not a major leap in data transfers (Cost outweigh the benefit). USB 3.0 is equivalent to Aperture 1.5 before Aperture 2 came along.
Meaning some new features, but nothing to shift the market, and to get excited about.
In short, Apple does things that shifts the market, and LightPeak is such a technological advancement in data transfers that we WILL see a shift in the market. Sooner then later. USB 3 is just a technology to wet the appetites of the impatient until Light Peak is strong to snatch the glory.
- Bruce
People wondered why the comment " no support by Intel " (referring to USB 3.0) was such a big statement.
If you know what's on the horizon, then announcements like these aren't really a shocker. Intel will not support USB 3.0 because its not a major leap in data transfers (Cost outweigh the benefit). USB 3.0 is equivalent to Aperture 1.5 before Aperture 2 came along.
Meaning some new features, but nothing to shift the market, and to get excited about.
In short, Apple does things that shifts the market, and LightPeak is such a technological advancement in data transfers that we WILL see a shift in the market. Sooner then later. USB 3 is just a technology to wet the appetites of the impatient until Light Peak is strong to snatch the glory.
- Bruce
I hope it works out and these get into new macs early 2011. The macbook pro is probably the least exciting Apple product right now.