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BT is not capable of streaming a native FLAC stream in stereo. You need to understand bitrate. The quality of the DAC is of little consequence in BT phones if the native stream (at the original bitrate) can't reach it!
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Ok thanks.
 
BT adopters must understand that a high bitrate stream will be further compressed over BT. This results in double compression. It's a very simple argument to win for sticking with wires. Besides having something else to charge.
 
And they will help industry leaders making decisions. Then we customers are ignored anyway.

"Listening to music in binary" lol!! :D
Humans are now more like a robot?
Well our ears may be analogue but our brains are closer to digital. What we 'interpret' in our brains from the electrical signal produced by our ears is another debate entirely. But it doesn't change the fact that music at source is analogue. Or analogue as science is presently able to understand our universe.
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Bose and awesome in the same sentence...mind blown.
This was just wrong on so many levels that the original poster will never come close to fathoming.
 
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Perhaps MR is asking "us" the question.

We going back to "linked by a wire" after we have all just gotten use to changing batteries in our Bluetooth headphones ? and A2DP support

Don't mess with the program. Just when u get used to something, Apple comes along with a "move out" command. *rolls eyes*
 
I offer my clients to pay by cash check or credit card, (Most pay by check luckily for me) so yes I am "really a business" I am very aware of Squares $50 bluetooth chip-card reader. #1 I don't use Square, not do I want to (I used to use them) #2 It doesn't still ready magnetic cards, only chipped cards. They still give you the little magnetic reader that plugs into the headphone jack and #3 Almost every card I receive still only has a magnetic stipe. So thanks for your "helpful" response.

You're welcome! I'm glad I could dispel so many of your misunderstandings!

I understand about the Square reader. I was mostly brining that up to say that Bluetooth options for credit card scanning (even for magnetic swipe) will be coming. The Square reader is almost there already...
 
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Perhaps MR is asking "us" the question.

We going back to "linked by a wire" after we have all just gotten use to changing batteries in our Bluetooth headphones ? and A2DP support

Don't mess with the program.
If people want to use wireless headphones then that's fine. So long as they realise they are sacrificing sound quality. Period. Maybe average tech folk won't notice the difference.

The old adage in networking of 'wire where possible' still holds true for audio. No one in their right mind would use wifi-only in their home or office network.
 
Yes, that's a good thing. It'll handle HE-AAC, which at 96kbps stereo would be a win for the 99%. Love that idea, but... the spec doesn't allow for that ubiquitous remote control on the cabling of every iEarbud out there. Hell, that spec even allows for ATRAC... someone had a serious woody for Sony to allow that.

Anyhow, if that was supported widely, say by Beats branded buds, it might catch on.
Beats Bluetooth headphones support AAC over Bluetooth of course. And Apple uses AAC @ 256kbps.
 
People also seem to be missing the fact that if you're a music enthusiast maybe using MIDI over BT, you'll not even be able to use the BT headphones! BT audio means no other BT devices can be attached. Useless! Riding a bike with a BT sensor. Useless.
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Beats Bluetooth headphones support AAC over Bluetooth of course. And Apple uses AAC @ 256kbps.
It might play it, but it compresses it first. Double compression. Ugly.
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Beats Bluetooth headphones support AAC over Bluetooth of course. And Apple uses AAC @ 256kbps.
256kbps isn't very good. Can you not hear the compression? You should have saved money and stuck with cheap wired headphones.
 
In my experience, the DAC and Amp in the iPhone 6 are quite good, as long as you use them to drive headphones that don't require more power than the amp is prepared to provide. I use some fairly expensive headphones from Sennheiser, Etymotics and Shure regularly and they sound excellent.

I would not purchase an iPhone without a headphone jack because I want to use the headphones I know and love without needing another dongle.

This, incidentally, is why I'm unlikely to replace my current MacBook with a future Apple laptop: I don't want to carry and mess with more dongles. My last upgrade cost me the optical drive and Ethernet port; I've learned from that mistake.

And my aging Mac Pro will also not be replaced with a new Mac Pro; why would I buy a computer that I can't plug any of my expansion cards into?

It's looking like the Apple proprietary and closed direction is less compatible with my reality than I'd thought. Fortunately for me, there are viable alternatives; very few things are "Appke exclusive" anymore.

Too bad, I mostly liked the hardware.
 
But honestly I would rather have w standard cable, than lightning, less to carry around, everywhere you go you can prob find chargers (in time that is, till C really gets going).

And this is what it all boils down to for me. Most here proceed from the point of view that there's no reason to remove the 3.5mm Jack, but making the reasonable assumption that there is, and the competition is in the same boat, rather than arbitrarily removing something they don't have to in order to foolishly sell more adapters, then both the USB-C connector and Lightning connector take on much more importance. And most Apple customers have invested quite a bit in Lightning after 4 years, as well as Apple having adopted Lightning across more of its devices than ever.

In contrast, USB-C is relatively obscure still. Few people have USB-C ports on devices, and fewer still actually own a native USB-C device to plug into it without an adapter. Which means any eventual switch to USB-C by competing phone makers is going to require adapters to plug into any existing audio equipment, and it's going to take years before USB-C filters down to new consumer audio equipment, not to mention how long it's going to take to replace all the existing equipment. Likewise for PCs. Mobile phones will take at least 3-4 generations to update a majority of products with USB-C, but computer equipment can take up to 10 years. And that's assuming a new USB standard doesn't come into the scene during that time, to address shortcomings with USB-C.

So adapters are going to be needed by most people for up to 10 years or more to cover any possible device they might encounter. But in 10 years, I'm expecting wireless charging, data, and audio to have progressed significantly, such that only audiophiles, and audio and IT professionals need to plug equipment into a physical connection. The average consumer is going to opt for a cord free existence wherever possible. That's the future. Not Lightning, not USB-C. And in 10 years, I'm actually expecting progress, something people on these forums seem to think is impossible. In the interim, everyone will be using adapters with everything, whether Apple, Android, or Microsoft, so it matters little what connector is "standard". In the end, wireless will be the new standard.
 
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In my experience, the DAC and Amp in the iPhone 6 are quite good, as long as you use them to drive headphones that don't require more power than the amp is prepared to provide. I use some fairly expensive headphones from Sennheiser, Etymotics and Shure regularly and they sound excellent.

I would not purchase an iPhone without a headphone jack because I want to use the headphones I know and love without needing another dongle.

This, incidentally, is why I'm unlikely to replace my current MacBook with a future Apple laptop: I don't want to carry and mess with more dongles. My last upgrade cost me the optical drive and Ethernet port; I've learned from that mistake.

And my aging Mac Pro will also not be replaced with a new Mac Pro; why would I buy a computer that I can't plug any of my expansion cards into?

It's looking like the Apple proprietary and closed direction is less compatible with my reality than I'd thought. Fortunately for me, there are viable alternatives; very few things are "Appke exclusive" anymore.

Too bad, I mostly liked the hardware.
Amen.

Will also be sticking with my senheisser ie80's with custom fitted buds.
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And this is what it all boils down to for me. Most here proceed from the point of view that there's no reason to remove the 3.5mm Jack, but making the reasonable assumption that there is, and the competition is in the same boat, rather than arbitrarily removing something they don't have to in order to foolishly sell more adapters, then both the USB-C connector and Lightning connector take on much more importance. And most Apple customers have invested quite a bit in Lightning after 4 years, as well as Apple having adopted Lightning across more of its devices than ever.

In contrast, USB-C is relatively obscure still. Few people have USB-C ports on devices, and fewer still actually own a native USB-C device to plug into it without an adapter. Which means any eventual switch to USB-C by competing phone makers is going to require adapters to plug into any existing audio equipment, and it's going to take years before USB-C filters down to new consumer audio equipment, not to mention how long it's going to take to replace all the existing equipment. Likewise for PCs. Mobile phones will take at least 3-4 generations to update a majority of products with USB-C, but computer equipment can take up to 10 years. And that's assuming a new USB-C standard doesn't come into the scene during that time.

So adapters are going to be needed by most people for up to 10 years or more to cover any possible device they might encounter. But in 10 years, I'm expecting wireless charging, data, and audio to have progressed significantly, such that only audiophiles, and audio and IT professionals need to plug equipment into a physical connection. The average consumer is going to opt for a cord free existence wherever possible. That's the future. Not Lightning, not USB-C. And in 10 years, I'm actually expecting progress, something people on these forums seem to think is impossible. In the interim, everyone will be using adapters with everything, whether Apple, Android, or Microsoft, so it matters little what connector is "standard". In the end, wireless will be the new standard.
Sounds like a massive mess and inconvenience to all consumers where all logic simply says to keep the little jack socket. I'm all for progress, but this shouldn't inflict medium term inconvenience to millions of people.
 
Many Bluetooth earbuds for $10-$20 on Amazon. I have a pair at $25 that are great for working out.

Exactly why I only use Bluetooth.

Yep: Bluetooth

1000% wrong:

https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?cid=TW189&newsId=15254

Relevant bit: "You can also continue to use short-range Bluetooth accessories, like wireless keyboards." i.e. They were actually NEVER prohibited... and definitely aren't now.

Every rental car I've had for the last 3 years or so has had Bluetooth. Just had a great Chrysler 300 rental last week that was awesome with my iPhone.

If you're really worried about it there are TONS of Bluetooth->Aux options.

Anything else?

Yep. :eek:
BT sound quality from iOS pretty much sucks. Apple needs to fix that.
BT connectivity is hit/miss with iOS devices. Well documented long standing issue. Apple needs to fix that.
We really need a decent pair of good quality BT headphones - true stereo. Have tried quite a few. Manufacturers need to fix that.
That said, Apple needs to fix BT and amongst all of this rhetoric I have yet to see anything for that. :cool:

btw - you did a decently snarky post. ;)
 
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People also seem to be missing the fact that if you're a music enthusiast maybe using MIDI over BT, you'll not even be able to use the BT headphones! BT audio means no other BT devices can be attached. Useless! Riding a bike with a BT sensor. Useless.
That's not true. You can, for example, listen to Bluetooth audio and be connected to a Fitbit or Apple Watch at the same time.
256kbps isn't very good. Can you not hear the compression?
In 256kbps AAC? No, I generally can't (and I doubt you can), with the exception of certain killer samples.

I don't think audio quality is a big issue with Bluetooth as long as you have a pair of devices that supports AptX or AAC, especially not for mobile use (where you typically have noises from your environment anyway). Battery life is the bigger issue, particularly for small earbud-type phones that only allow for tiny batteries.
 
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Most of us probably have one or more of these unopened in a desk drawer.

The interim solution for Apple if they are convinced of the higher fidelity of lightning audio, is to keep the 3.5mm port, but package lightning earbuds with iPhone 7.

Why? So I can add to my stash of Apple headphones? :confused:

Actually - I dole these POS accessories out to my kids when they break theirs. Frequently.
 
Every audiophile is the country is laughing at you right now.

I'm purchasing for my needs, in the $20 range I can get wired or BT and they're both offer the same. Audiophiles are minority from sales volume perspective..
 
Depends. My bluetooth buds are great for listening to music or talk radio. However, a lot of my time is watching and LISTENING to movies on my iphone and ipad. The lag that seems to be inherent in BT is too annoying. Then, I go back to the wired headphones. If Apple does do away with the headphone jack, I'll just stay with my 6 until it falls apart.
 
I'm purchasing for my needs, in the $20 range I can get wired or BT and they're both offer the same. Audiophiles are minority from sales volume perspective..
Well if you're not a movie lover, you'll be fine with the slight lag in BT too then.
 
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