Limera1n vs greenp0ison

[Snide]

How is that an excellent summary? Its speculation.

Imagine this:

Chronic Dev Team has an exploit ready to be released for PC, Mac, and Linux. Geohot has another one that he was working on, but wasn't talking about. He tricks Comex to give him part of their exploit so he can make his untethered, and releases it a day before Chronic releases theirs, so he can put a paypal button on his page and try to get donations.



An excellent summary. Everyone should read this before commenting.

LOL! Too funny.

Given Geohot's well-established track-record, I find your version to be more plausible.
That not-so innocuous Donate button on his limera1n page speaks volumes...

 

[Applejuiced]

That makes a lot more sense, geo tying to steal the spotlight and being selfish as usual

How is that an excellent summary? Its speculation.

Imagine this:

Chronic Dev Team has an exploit ready to be released for PC, Mac, and Linux. Geohot has another one that he was working on, but wasn't talking about. He tricks Comex to give him part of their exploit so he can make his untethered, and releases it a day before Chronic releases theirs, so he can put a paypal button on his page and try to get donations.



An excellent summary. Everyone should read this before commenting.

 

[Gizmotoy]

In making a Judgment call on this one you have to imagine a Scenario where Cronic Dev team announce a release date of 10/10 and at the same time announce it only works on the A4 Chip. They get a call from Geohot who says. “Here is my alternative Bootrom exploit, it works on all devices and I think apple is already aware of it and will fix it with the next hardware release.” Why not use mine in Greenpois0n and delay the 10/10 release date so you have time to make the change.

Geohot is pretty adamant that this is the right approach, and that Shater should be saved for the future, but gets rebuffed from Cronic Dev because they do not want to delay Geenpois0n. They “CronicDev” have taken a lot of criticism in the past for their inability to deliver and feel that missing the ETA will hurt their reputation even more. They decline to go along with Geohot.

Geohot is convinced that his approach is right and feel the only way to get the right end result is to force the issue. He is aware this is going to make him unpopular with a section of the community but does it anyway.

We've known SHAtter was going to work on only A4-based iDevices since at least the beginning of September. If he cared, he could have started working with them over a month ago instead of a day before release.

Imagine this:

Chronic Dev Team has an exploit ready to be released for PC, Mac, and Linux. Geohot has another one that he was working on, but wasn't talking about. He tricks Comex to give him part of their exploit so he can make his untethered, and releases it a day before Chronic releases theirs, so he can put a paypal button on his page and try to get donations.

Given his comments, this is likely. In his own words he stated he wanted the exploit on his site instead of sharing it so he could have a donation link and get credit on Wikipedia.

It would be nice to be able to believe nebo1ss's version of how everything went down, but there's just no evidence to support it.

Edit: Figured I should post his actual comments

<chpwn> geohot: dump it on github instead.
<geohot> and miss the donations and excitement and the line on my wikipedia page?

 

[bbplayer5]

big difference between the camps Chronic or Dev team doesn't release beta stuff they try to get it right 1st. yes they might improve stuff but they try to get it working as good as possible. Geohot seems more bent on being 1st on the block. this just has me ticked this morning.

Why would you be ticked about gaining root access to a cell phone?

 

[big samm]

Thanks for the info. Did you have to have iTunes installed on the Windows machine from which you ran limera1n ( for the iPhone drivers )? I only sync my i4 with a Mac, but have a clean Windows box from which I can JB - just not sure if I can load limera1n on it and jb away.

On a side note, I have read that the ra1n exploit will likely be a short term break that apple will patch with ios 4.2. however, i don't know if ra1n is a bootrom exploit, which would nullify that theory...

I'm in the same exact situation I only sync with my Mac pro... I have a clean pc too but i wanna know if I can upgrade to 4.1 with the Mac then jailbreak with the pc without loosing anything on my phone?

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

I'm in the same exact situation I only sync with my Mac pro... I have a clean pc too but i wanna know if I can upgrade to 4.1 with the Mac then jailbreak with the pc without loosing anything on my phone?

Yes backup the phone on your Mac update to 4.1 then use your pc to jb then plug back into Mac and restore from backup

 

[nebo1ss]

We've known SHAtter was going to work on only A4-based iDevices since at least the beginning of September. If he cared, he could have started working with them over a month ago instead of a day before release.



Given his comments, this is likely. In his own words he stated he wanted the exploit on his site instead of sharing it so he could have a donation link and get credit on Wikipedia.

It would be nice to be able to believe nebo1ss's version of how everything went down, but there's just no evidence to support it.

Edit: Figured I should post his actual comments

<chpwn> geohot: dump it on github instead.
<geohot> and miss the donations and excitement and the line on my wikipedia page?

All of the many Geohot on twitter are fake. Your quote from Geohot is fake.
Even Musclenerd acknowledges that geohot is not on Twitter.

Here is a very meaningful post from po0sixninja CronicDevTeam:
You can more or less piece the story together from this.

# We are not changing our release date. If we can implement @geohots before 10/10 we will use that, otherwise we're using ours. #roadblocks Fri Oct 8 20:44:54 2010 via web

# and yes it is a different bootrom exploit, he wants us to use it in GP, but there's no way we'll make our ETA if we do Fri Oct 8 19:42:58 2010 via web

# yes, the news about geohot is true, the day after we release ETA he decides he wants a piece of the #pie

 

[gravytrain84]

To get the most recent beta version of lime, do you have to re JB or will I be able to update within cydia?

 

[maturola]

To get the most recent beta version of lime, do you have to re JB or will I be able to update within cydia?

Once you JB you don't need anything else, if you are having problems you need to restore and download the most recent beta from the website. Limera1n is a desktop app, what you see on your iDevice (which is actually blackra1n), it just a downloader for Cydia that doesn't need any update what so ever.

 

[nurv2600]

Thanks for the info. Did you have to have iTunes installed on the Windows machine from which you ran limera1n ( for the iPhone drivers )? I only sync my i4 with a Mac, but have a clean Windows box from which I can JB - just not sure if I can load limera1n on it and jb away.

From my understanding, GeoHot's exploit was originally called "Pwned 4 Life", which to me, implies that it's the same type of "unpatchable" exploit Greenpois0n was going to use, but SHatter and Pwned4life ARE different exploits, which is why Chronic Dev isn't going to release their SHatter exploit; why reveal both hands to Apple when they both accomplish the same thing? Only time will tell if the Pwned4life exploit really is for life.

As far as jailbreaking your device with Windows, I use my iPhone 4 on my Mac exclusively, but have Bootcamp Win7 installed. Download and install limera1n, run the program in Windows which will walk you through putting it into DFU mode, and your good to go, no iTunes needed. If you do have iTunes in Windows, don't worry, it won't overwrite your device. In fact, it didnt even delete anything on my phone during the process, which surprised me, usually DFU restores the device. All told, it took about 2 minutes from start to finish, and haven't had any issues at all (besides the servers being overloaded from all the new JBs). Happy hacking!

 

[Gizmotoy]

All of the many Geohot on twitter are fake. Your quote from Geohot is fake.
Even Musclenerd acknowledges that geohot is not on Twitter.

It's a conversation between chpwn and geohot, posted by aaronash. It did not occur on twitter, and was confirmed to be true. As you can tell from the formatting, it likely took place on IRC. You're free to discuss it with chpwn or aaronash if you like. At least do a small amount of research before making such accusations...

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

From my understanding, GeoHot's exploit was originally called "Pwned 4 Life", which to me, implies that it's the same type of "unpatchable" exploit Greenpois0n was going to use, but SHatter and Pwned4life ARE different exploits, which is why Chronic Dev isn't going to release their SHatter exploit; why reveal both hands to Apple when they both accomplish the same thing? Only time will tell if the Pwned4life exploit really is for life.

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Shatter is also a bootrom exploit meaning yes it is for life however it only works on a4 devices.