Limit amount of threads new members can create

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  1. timeconsumer macrumors 68000

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    Can we get a limit of how many new threads a new member can create in a set amount of time? It may help prevent spam as in the attached image. Currently this user is up to 25 threads in about 20ish minutes.
     

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  2. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    From what little I can see of the threads - and their titles - they strike me as a clear example of spam, a scatter-gun spam attack hoping to seed (and get responses to) as many threads as possible.

    Rather than a blanket proposal suggesting that the number of threads made by new members be limited, I would recommend instead that any such thread be reported. And report the OP - the member - I cannot read the name on your screenshot, or I would do it myself.
     
  3. RecentlyConverted macrumors 6502a

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    I agree. No point penalizing all new members because of a few rogue members. New members may be new to Apple devices and have a lot of questions. I report spam when I see it.
     
  4. maflynn Moderator

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    That's spam and its been taken care of.

    As a discussion forum, I think its bad form to limit discussions based on join date - just my $.02
     
  5. tobefirst macrumors 68040

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    Would it really limit actual, real discussions if there was something in the software (not sure if it is possible, but it could very well be) that said users (new or existing!) couldn't create 11 threads in 13 minutes? Who does that?
     
  6. Apple fanboy macrumors Penryn

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    Did you use the report button? I did. I always do when I see spam to help the mods out.

    I think they do a good job in clamping down on spammers most of the time.
    However if it was possible to limit the threads you can create in a day, it might reduce their work load.
     
  7. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    Exactly.

    Whenever I see anything that could be construed as spam, I report it, and it is invariably dealt with by the mods in due course.
     
  8. timeconsumer thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Rather than address all of the replies individually, I'll try to compose a reply that covers all of them. This new member who created all of these threads I believe got up to 36 or possibly more threads. I reported each individual thread which required me to wait approximately 30 seconds between each report. I understand that you don't want to limit new members, but does somebody really need to create more than 30 threads in an hour? This has happened on multiple occasions and I've gone through at least 3-4 times reporting each individual thread. Here's another thread in this forum in which the reply is to just "report". Is there a better way to mass select threads to report all at once?

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-11-forum-spam-issue.2096741/

    Perhaps maybe restrict new members to say 10 threads per hour until they get to 100 posts and then allow this restriction to be lifted?
     
  9. Weaselboy Moderator

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    Are these all spam posts from the same account? If so, there is no need for you to report every post. Just report one and mention you noticed the person has made 12 posts or whatever that all look like spam.

    There is no harm in your reporting each post, but you don't need to.
     
  10. timeconsumer thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Yes, in the instances that I've noticed it was all from the same user account. That's good to know that each individual thread doesn't need to be reported separately.
     
  11. Scepticalscribe, Dec 26, 2017
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    When I see a thread that I suspect is spam, I will always check the profile of the OP; almost invariably, it is a "newbie", with one post (and thread) - who has often just joined the forum that very day - and the post will come with the usual suspicious links to websites elsewhere advertising stuff. Therefore, I report it - always.

    If, on a rare occasion, there are two or three posts in that account, I check them - and they are pretty much always the same thing - a cloned replication of the thread I first noticed. And so, I report it.

    This doesn't take long, and - once you recognise the signs that spell 'spam' - it becomes relatively obvious.

    The vast majority of spam accounts are by 'newbies', yes, and those with multiple threads simply haven't been picked up.

    However, this doesn't necessarily mean that all newbies should be considered potential spammers, not least when you consider that the vast majority of members - genuine members that is - of MR make between one to five posts.

    Personally, I would be loathe to see measures instigated that would serve to make the forum more stringent in this regard.
     
  12. Weaselboy Moderator

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    I just looked at your reports from last night, and your poor mouse finger must be worn to a nub! :eek::D

    Thanks for your help with the reports.
     
  13. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    The other thing is that we are just now in the middle of the Christmas holiday; therefore, when I report posts/threads at this time of year, (and I reported a few today), I assume that it will take mods a bit longer to get around to dealing with them than might normally be the case.
     
  14. timeconsumer thread starter macrumors 68000

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    You're correct that these threads were from a "newbie" and yes it was obvious that it was spam. I was just trying to suggest an implementation that would help out the moderators. I don't want to restrict the new members to how much they can post, just how many new threads that can be created in an hour. I believe the politics forum has a requirement of 100 posts and 1 month of membership, perhaps something similar could be implemented within that rule to help prevent spam. Normally, I'm not a fan of implementing restriction but if it could benefit the site as a whole then it might not be too bad.

    Also, to really find the best number, somebody could probably run a SQL query to determine how many instances where a new member has created more than X amount of threads in 1 hour to see if my suggestion would be feasible or not.

    Indeed! And now that I know the trick is to just report one and note that they've posted more than one thread it won't be so bad in the future!

    To be fair, they did have them removed in a reasonable amount of time. I'd probably say within an hour of being reported. Hopefully it doesn't sound like I'm complaining about the mod team, because that's not it at all! I feel they do a great job on here, I just wanted to open a discussion.
     
  15. jtara macrumors 65816

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    Helloooooo! Rate limit!

    Nobody can post that quickly.
     
  16. millerj123 macrumors 65816

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    It must've been a busy morning. I know I reported at least one today, too.
     
  17. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    I reported at least one, as well, and also reported a thread or two on Christmas Day; it did surprise me to see that the spam merchants were out in force that day.
     
  18. 06tb06 macrumors regular

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    Weird. I saw these posts when I logged in yesterday. I thought it was someone posting in a forum under the wrong language/location. I remember thinking "Wow, there must be a Chinese forum on MacRumors."
     
  19. tobefirst macrumors 68040

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    I don’t understand why anyone would be against this, honestly, and it would help out the moderators. I can’t think of a scenario where anyone, newbie or otherwise, would need to create 20 threads in an hour.
     
  20. C DM, Dec 27, 2017
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    That's basically it--it's not really about new users per se, but about rate limiting new thread creation basically to prevent flooding. Normally people don't need to create even half a dozen, let alone more, threads in the span of something like half an hour. If there are rate limits of some sort in place it can help only have a few spam posts from a poster in a period of an hour or two, rather have some forums flooded with dozens of such threads in a short period of time.

    Reporting is all good, and is definitely the main thing to do, but limiting the impact of it all in the time that it takes someone to look at reports (especially during holiday periods or something similar) would certainly be helpful as well all essentially without any effect on limiting regular/normal users.
     
  21. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816

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    Not sure about the this particular board software but in most of the others you can make it so new members can "reply only" for either a set amount of time or until they make so many replies, or both. So for example, a user must be registered for 5 days and have a minimum of 5 replies before they're allowed to "create" a new topic. As the owner of some very active boards (not MR active but active) I found this quite effective at curbing spam. Yes, a user may post junk just to reach the limit but I found that to be pretty rare and in most cases they were not spammers.
     
  22. Scepticalscribe Contributor

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    As far as I know, you need five posts before you are able to DM someone on the forum.

    I've seen the stats for this forum - @Doctor Q does an excellent job of putting stuff together twice a year - and has tabulated this in a pie chart, if memory serves.

    Anyway, if my recollection is accurate, something in excess of 90% of members made only one post, or between one and five posts, and, obviously, - while some were spam, many, if not most, were not.

    My sense is that most 'genuine' individuals join the forum because they have a question they wish to ask about an Apple product that they may have bought, and personally, while I think your post (and point) is well made and argued, I'd hate to see something brought in which discourages the participation of those who have joined in order to get answers to questions they may have, or which may serve to make them feel less welcome.
     
  23. Apple fanboy macrumors Penryn

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    Most newbies come here to get a problem sorted. If they can't post a new thread, I suspect many simply wouldn't come.
     
  24. Scepticalscribe, Dec 28, 2017
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    Exactly. Agreed.

    That is what prompted me to join the forum - I had just treated myself to a belated birthday gift of a MBP and, as someone who had 'switched', I had some questions.
     
  25. tobefirst macrumors 68040

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    But did you create one (or two or three) thread(s), or 20 in the first 30 minutes of being here? :)
     

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