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Liquid Glass popularity.

Do you like Liquid Glass?

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FeliApple said:
Yeah, the adoption rate… on the one hand, I’m always surprised by how high it is. If people want to use garbage, let them, but it is surprising especially with older devices. People complain about the oldest supported devices being massively affected and they upgrade because of this and they keep updating. Einstein’s misattributed definition of “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. He didn’t say that but it still applies here. And I’d say “idiocy” instead of “insanity” but I digress…

On the other hand… how valuable of a marker is it following a redesign when downgrading is impossible? I don’t think it is 100% relevant. Many people would go back if they could. They can’t. Even if the 26% that voted against it would go back, well… that’s very significant, imo.
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Or maybe different people value different things? If I kept my iPhone 14 on iOS 16, it would be practically useless to me. It would just be a curiosity, a museum piece, as far as I’m concerned. It ran iOS 26, and now the iOS 27 beta, just fine.
 
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FeliApple said:
Yes because of lack of know-how, not because they don’t want to, imo. Especially with the garbage that is 26 for older devices.

Agree on people being aware, disagree on understanding. Apple’s malware should be kept far away from iOS devices.

Hopefully iOS 26 teaches people something. But if it doesn’t, it’s their devices that are garbage, not mine.

I’m avoiding Liquid Garbage for as long as possible or until I get a newer device.
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The continued hubris and misinformation makes your point, which is valid to a certain extent, difficult to believe.

I agree at one time for a subset of iPhones, iOS upgrades did cause performance issues. Since the iPhone X that issue is mostly mitigated and when you get into iPhone 14+ territory it’s gone.

Apple has the know how to do what it takes to allow downgrading, they won’t, imo, too many gotchas. Whereas Microsoft doesn’t care.
 
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Luftkopf said:
Neither does a dead flat, lifeless interface.
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I disagree. A book or a sheet of paper is dead flat lifeless interface and it is very easy to read. Paper of adequate weight is also fully opaque so the bright picture on the next page down does not interfere with reading the test on the top page.

Now with thinner paper if you hold it up to the light you can get bleed through and that makes it considerably harder to read the top page. That's what Apple achieved with Liquid Glass. I don't know what they were smoking but it was the good stuff.
 
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Siliconguy said:
I disagree. A book or a sheet of paper is dead flat lifeless interface and it is very easy to read. Paper of adequate weight is also fully opaque so the bright picture on the next page down does not interfere with reading the test on the top page.

Now with thinner paper if you hold it up to the light you can get bleed through and that makes it considerably harder to read the top page. That's what Apple achieved with Liquid Glass. I don't know what they were smoking but it was the good stuff.
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You don’t need to decipher which part of a sheet of paper is a button that does something.
 
Luftkopf said:
Or maybe different people value different things? If I kept my iPhone 14 on iOS 16, it would be practically useless to me. It would just be a curiosity, a museum piece, as far as I’m concerned. It ran iOS 26, and now the iOS 27 beta, just fine.
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You clearly haven’t used a device on its original version. 16 is far from useless.

And I also doubt that it runs 26 exactly as well as it ran 16, for that matter.

In any case, just because you like Liquid Glass it doesn’t mean that Apple is right to permanently mandate a change.

That said… I will defend Apple here. Liquid Glass may be as awful as you like, but unless you upgraded to a device whose original version is 26 (in which case I’d understand the criticism), Apple hasn’t forced you to update (unless you installed the glitched iOS 18.7.8, but anyway), you updated yourself.

I’ve seen way, way too many users say that they despise Liquid Glass, and/or its performance on the oldest devices, especially 3rd-gen iPad Pros and Air 3. Then why did you update? It’s on you.

Likewise with the oldest iPhones like the 11. Users must take responsibility if they updated to Liquid Glass and they don’t like it. They don’t, and they’re wrong.

And I’m not talking only about devices with horrible performance and battery life issues. If you dislike Liquid Glass like the thread asks… why did you update? The information is right there. The videos are free. You can even try to borrow an iPhone or an iPad for somebody if those around you also use Apple devices. “I didn’t know it would be this horrible” isn’t a good defense. The information is there.
 
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Luftkopf said:
You don’t need to decipher which part of a sheet of paper is a button that does something.
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Have you never seen a representation of a button on piece of paper? You never mocked up a GUI on paper before you tried to code it?

On the other hand, that would explain a lot.
 
Siliconguy said:
Have you never seen a representation of a button on piece of paper? You never mocked up a GUI on paper before you tried to code it?

On the other hand, that would explain a lot.
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Look. I'm really tired. I can't tell if I'm just communicating really poorly, or whether you're just wilfully missing my point. I have actually mocked up GUI on paper before, so you can give your snark a rest.
 
Matsamoto said:
Are we?
Why do you say that everyone is lauding it?
I still don’t like it. I still hate the Fisher Price OS.
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I went back to Sequoia during the xmas break and have no plans to hop onto GG with what I've seen.

Liquid Glass is so badly implemented and arduous my PC running W11 looks clean and snappy in comparison. I don't know anyone who loves LG and the last time I went to the Apple Store, the three Geniuses I spoke to weren't fans.

To me it's been as bad a failure as iOS 7 was compared to 6.
 
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GregoryPeckEPA said:
I went back to Sequoia during the xmas break and have no plans to hop onto GG with what I've seen.

Liquid Glass is so badly implemented and arduous my PC running W11 looks clean and snappy in comparison. I don't know anyone who loves LG and the last time I went to the Apple Store, the three Geniuses I spoke to weren't fans.

To me it's been as bad a failure as iOS 7 was compared to 6.
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No, I still have a Win 11 box. I plugged it in this morning to run Windows Update. It's still awful, and getting unplugged for a few more months. I'll take Tahoe over it every day!
 
I like Liquid Glass very much. I'm still using it on my 12 mini with the original battery, and it runs just fine, thank you. It's also fine on my Mac; I'm not using the beta but am interested to see the polish GG brings. I think some grumpy old men need cataract surgery already (already had mine).
 
Luftkopf said:
No, I still have a Win 11 box. I plugged it in this morning to run Windows Update. It's still awful, and getting unplugged for a few more months. I'll take Tahoe over it every day!
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Because of LG or because Apple’s software doesn’t brick your hardware thru random updates you have no control over? My PC installed some update to enhance voice features which ended up disconnecting my actual onboard sound module. I removed it after discovering what it was (thru blind luck and a good samaritan’s blog post) which fixed it. A few weeks later, I installed the latest AMD chipset drivers. Guess what happened next!? Windows is a trainwreck on the back end code. At this point, updating anything bit virus definition is a hornet's nest.

But the UI is still basic af and extremely light and snappy.

MacOS looks like a Fisher Price toy, but at least it’s far more stable than Windows.

Kind of disingenuous to compare UI to stability.
 
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GregoryPeckEPA said:
Because of LQ or because Apple’s software doesn’t brick your hardware thru random updates you have no control over? My PC installed some update to enhance voice features which ended up disconnecting my actual onboard sound module. I removed it after discovering what it was (thru blind luck and a good samaritan’s blog post) which fixed it. A few weeks later, I installed the latest AMD chipset drivers. Guess what happened next!? Windows is a trainwreck on the back end code. At this point, updating anything bit virus definition is a hornet's nest.

But the UI is still basic af and extremely light and snappy.

MacOS looks like a Fisher Price toy, but at least it’s far more stable than Windows.

Kind of disingenuous to compare UI to stability.
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I vastly prefer the macOS interface to Windows, and have since XP (the real Fisher Price OS), when I started my switch. Liquid Glass is merely the latest iteration, and I’m happy with it. It’s a nice change from the flat era, which I am very glad to see the end of.
 
I dislike Liquid Glass. Yesterday, I was typing into a document. I kept getting a queasy feeling. It took me a while to figure out what was going on--the Liquid Glass was allowing motion in another open window behind the one I was typing into to bleed through. It was disorienting. I would not have been affected by it, had I not upgraded to Tahoe. Feh. I wish I were still on the previous OS.
 
Luftkopf said:
That is definitely a subjective opinion. It has been demonstrated that flat interfaces are more difficult to use if you don't already know how they work.
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Yeah but nobody ever says, "I can't tell what is a button and what isn't a button on this microwave!"

It just never, ever happens. Despite the fact that the microwave buttons are (usually) flat. Buttons on many devices are flat in nature and people use them just fine. Example:

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You can tell what is and is not a button in these examples because of color differentiation (red, blue and and grey buttons that are differently colored than the surrounding black or silver background) and because of icons (the play and fast forward symbols, etc.) and because of text ("Power Level" etc.)
 
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Good article ( https://www.nngroup.com/articles/flat-ui-less-attention-cause-uncertainty/ )

It's an article about graphic design and I largely agree with its findings.

Summary of findings are that good UIs have "visual simplicity, external consistency, clear visual hierarchy, and contrast"

Example from that page, asking users to find a blue, underlined link versus finding that same link that is styled the same as the surrounding body copy.

The last half of previous sentence has a second link to Apple computer, by the way, but it's less obvious.

You can do that with flat design. In fact, all design on a phone is flat, coz the display is flat. There is absolutely nothing on a phone that is not flat. Even the false-3D graphics are flat.
 
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