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It is actually extremely uncommon.
do a quick Google search ... your first memories typically start at age 3-4yo but can be from 2-8yo depending on the person and experience. I am pretty sure she probably had theory which would of helped trigger some of those memories.
 
In every recall, Steve Jobs is almost always described as a giant d-bag. Could it be.... TRUE?

Probably. But most of us knew that already anyway.
Maybe. Maybe he did not want her to line to privileged at young age, so she learns to value things. Maybe something totally different...:)
 
We're comparing Steve Jobs to those people now? Absolutely silly retort.
Nice straw man. Who said I was comparing them for the acts that they have carried out? You are making the argument that since someone didn't know him, they could not possibly deduce that a certain person is a bad person. i.e "did you know him?". Which I logically proved to be fallacious by bringing up some of the most evil people known to man kind. Why can we say that those people were "bad men" but not Steve Jobs? The acts that they carried out were obviously billions of times more immoral, but immorality is subjective, therefore if a bad act by Jobs was confirmed to be true, then one can call him a bad man.
 
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Fatherhood, is in all sense, the most important job in a mans existence.

Steve. you Did that wrong.

tom cruise is doing the same thing with suri. ditto for michael douglas which is why his kid ended up in prison as a meth dealer. mikey focused on building his career over family.

having a child is a JOB that you actually PAY to go to work for. people think sex is fun and kids are nice cute toys or offspring to carry on the gene pool. even as a teen, i knew to avoid having a kid because it wasn't for me. and i am no career guy. i just know the deal and reality of responsibility.

what i find HILARIOUS and LUDICROUS is american culture where these rich people have billions and "give it all away" and make their kid or family start at level zero to earn it all over again. WHO are they giving it all away to? all charities are scams (yes i worked at many charities in my 20s). i know from experience.

google half a billion dollars in aid to haiti and only 6 homes built: https://www.propublica.org/article/...a-billion-dollars-for-haiti-and-built-6-homes

i can go on. no person in the middle east or asia does this foolish thing. the whole point of working so hard to build wealth is to keep it in the family, not to give it away to those who have done nothing to earn it. that's just insane. i mention this because i see lunatics like warren buffet and how he treats his family. same with bill gates' kids. you can still teach strong work ethic like dwayne wade and michael jordan to his kids and keep the wealth in the family.
 
I actually think Tim Cook is doing a great job. I think under his leadership, Apple is a little more willing to take a chance and let something imperfect out into the marketplace to see where it goes which Steve was not necessarily willing to do.

Imperfect products should never be let out. That is what testing is for, you do not get paid top dollar to test, and if you do, then you give the revised machines to the testers for free, since they already paid said top dollar for imperfection.
 
Parenting is complex, even for a rich man, no matter if he is a prick or a saint, when the parents are not in a relationship that glows with harmony. Steve Jobs was not the saintly type!

That said, not matter how well things were done even with a perfect marriage, children will always find a thread to pull on and unravel the whole thing. Not present enough, too much presence, too poor, too rich, too blond, too tall, ... the list is long.

nope. i know PLENTY of people who are grateful to their parents and do not sit there and complain and unravel it all. they are thankful and very respectful. they aren't perfect but they don't sit there and find things to nitpick.
 
Nice straw man. Who said I was comparing them for the acts that they have carried out? You are making the argument that since someone didn't know him, they could not possibly deduce that a certain person is a bad person. i.e "did you know him?". Which I logically proved to be fallacious by bringing up some of the most evil people known to man kind.

Nope. Your argument was and is absolutely silly.

Why can we say that those people were "bad men" but not Steve Jobs? The acts that they carried out were obviously billions of times more immoral, but immorality is subjective, therefore if a bad act by Jobs was confirmed to be true, then one can call him a bad man.

Those people committed mass murder. The comparison is utterly silly and warrants no further consideration.
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All this confirms that Tim Cook is, if not loved as much, is at least 50 times better a human being than SJ ever was.

Silly statement. How do you know what Tim Cook does in his spare time? Maybe he tortures small animals and buries them in his backyard.
 
Nope. Your argument was and is absolutely silly.



Those people committed mass murder. The comparison is utterly silly and warrants no further consideration.
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Silly statement. How do you know what Tim Cook does in his spare time? Maybe he tortures small animals and buries them in his backyard.
Straight up dismissal of the arguments, well done to you! Who cares about context. If I don't like it, I'll just dismiss it.... lmao.

Just admit that you are wrong. We CAN judge people to be "bad" even if we DON'T know them personally.
 
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Straight up dismissal of the arguments, well done to you! Who cares about context. If I don't like it, I'll just dismiss it.... lmao.

Context is specifically what makes it silly.

Just admit that you are wrong. We CAN judge people to be "bad" even if we DON'T know them personally.

Judging Hitler to be bad is not remotely in the same league as declaring Jobs to be bad based on an excerpt of a book describing someone else's interactions with him. As I said, silly.
 
All the quandaries tossed up by this relationship can be philosophically resolved as being based on lust and its concomitant partner-in-arms, greed. First Jobs generates offspring via his lust. Next, driven by greed he shields his wealth and earning power by denying fatherhood. The partner engages in a psychological and legal battle with him to accept parenthood whilst simultaneously having to assure him that his wealth was not at risk. After 2 years, he acknowledges, in an arrangement strictly limited and controlled by his legal team (to protect his $$). When she asks for the used Porsche, he sees this as a sideways movement by the mother to gain access to his riches by using the child Lisa as a pawn so his heavy-handed negation is directed at her, really, and not Lisa. Finally, he is a human being deep down so did name his computer after his daughter but negated that fact initially due to fear that admittance would open him up to the mother's legal hounds who would then take away his beloved dollars, which as we can see are more dear to him than his own blood, family members. Again according to philosophy, this is what you call being in illusion, or maya. As The Beatles sang, Money Can't Buy Me Love, and it is love that makes the world go around (unless you are a flat-head, of course). Oh, and lust is the all-devouring sinful enemy of the world, as stated in the oldest, most widely read and accepted philosophical treatise extant in the world.
 
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The projected idealism of fatherhood along with the pitiful judgemental comments here are indicative of how removed from reality many of you are. We're all flawed in one way or another and at some points in life have been less than our idealized images of virtue.

Wisdoms are gained with advancing age and are not bestowed on us at birth, or toddlers wouldn't throw tantrums, teenagers not rebel. It's in our DNA to seek harmony as well as conflict with the world around us, so why trample on a dead man's grave because he was less than perfect ? His life was Apple and everything else peripheral.

Hindsight is 20/20 and if anyone could wind back the clock, I'm sure we'd all do things differently. Fact is, Steve was focused on his vision and building a company to the highest "perfection" he knew how. Along the way, he sacrificed family time like many successful business leaders do. I think Lisa seems to have her head on straight despite any alleged "abuse". She's a successful journalist, contributed as a screenwriter to the "Steve Jobs" movie and her net worth is around $14 Billion mostly due to her father's inheritance.

Steve made up for his shortcomings later in life and Lisa has forgiven him. So should we.
 
Jobs was obsessed with developing something to the point his personal side sometimes suffered. That doesn’t make him unethical or an *******. He wanted to do something for society and the future even if it meant some pain for himself and a few people around him.

All people can’t and shouldn’t be like that, but it is important for the few people who can do that to be respected for it. If you’re going to judge them, then look at what they created and how many people benefited. There are those few crazy talented wild people in all fields. They push the standards forward and in general, their values are progressive, inclusive and productive.

Unlike that orange traitorous pig on Twitter.
 
Nope. Your argument was and is absolutely silly.



Those people committed mass murder. The comparison is utterly silly and warrants no further consideration.
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Silly statement. How do you know what Tim Cook does in his spare time? Maybe he tortures small animals and buries them in his backyard.

Man you really, really, love Steve Jobs. It's borderline worshipping, even creepy.
 



Lisa Brennan-Jobs, Steve Jobs' oldest daughter, is releasing a memoir called "Small Fry" next month, and ahead of the book's release, Vanity Fair has published an excerpt where Lisa-Brennan Jobs shares details on her troubled relationship with her father, his last days, and her early life.

Lisa was born in 1978 to Steve Jobs and Chrisann Brennan, and as is well known, Jobs initially denied that he was her father. He had nothing to do with her until she was two, a story she tells interspersed with facts about the Lisa computer he built. After being forced to take a paternity test and provide child support for Lisa, she finally met him, detailing their first meeting in Menlo Park, California.

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Steve Jobs and Lisa Brennan-Jobs
Jobs visited Brennan-Jobs more frequently after that, for rollerskating trips, rides in his Porsche, dinners, and hot tub excursions, but the two still had relationship issues. At one point, Brennan-Jobs said that she asked Jobs for his Porsche after hearing a myth that he replaced it whenever it got a scratch, and she received a callous reply.In another section of the excerpt, Brennan-Jobs explains how the fact that she thought the Lisa computer was named after her made her feel closer to Jobs, but at one point, she asked whether it was truly named after her. "Nope," said Jobs. He later changed his mind when Bono asked at an afternoon lunch Lisa Brennan-Jobs was at.The rest of the excerpt, available over at Vanity Fair, focuses on Jobs' final months before he passed away, and it is well worth reading for anyone who is interested in intimate details about Steve Jobs' life.

Brennan's book can be pre-ordered from Amazon for $24.70, with a release set for September 4.

Article Link: Lisa Brennan-Jobs Shares Memories of Steve Jobs in New 'Small Fry' Memoir Excerpt

So nice of these narcissistic gold diggers to come out with all these claims about Steve, and at the same time, attempt to sell and profit from a book. Shameful the way they are trying to live off the glory of a dead man.

And how well timed it is of them to make allegations about Steve when he's no longer around to be able to put his side of the story forward.

I'm disappointed how people are ready to believe one side of the story without question. How do you know it's even true?

I'm no Steve Jobs fanboy, but what irritates me is how narcissists like to manipulate and tug on peoples heart strings for personal gain. I see them a mile off. Steve might be no angel, but unless we get his side of the story, this might as well be completely made up.
 
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So nice of these narcissistic gold diggers to come out with all these claims about Steve, and at the same time, attempt to sell and profit from a book. Shameful the way they are trying to live off the glory of a dead man.

And how well timed it is of them to make allegations about Steve when he's no longer around to be able to put his side of the story forward.

I'm disappointed how people are ready to believe one side of the story without question. How do you know it's even true?

I'm no Steve Jobs fanboy, but what irritates me is how narcissists like to manipulate and tug on peoples heart strings for personal gain. I see them a mile off. Steve might be no angel, but unless we get his side of the story, this might as well be completely made up.

Somehow, I don't think Lisa Jobs is a gold digger.
 
Man you really, really, love Steve Jobs. It's borderline worshipping, even creepy.

Another utterly asinine response. Addressing silly character assessments of Jobs that are based on reading an excerpt of a book written by someone else about what Jobs supposedly did to someone else - along with the even sillier Hitler comparison - is hardly anywhere close to "worshipping." Try again.
 
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