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And what have we really learned about this phone that is exciting and secret?

Anything about plans, tiers, prepaid, carriers, reception, etc?

Or even technical stuff like what processor, etc?

Oh, maybe something about a different case... oh, I forgot, the thrilling "video conferencing" camera! Right, that's what it's for!!

And the battery thing. I'll be interested when they put in a fuel cell.

And Jobs, the most accomplished CEO of our time spends his time making little lists of who gets a phone to test? Really? And what other little lists does he allegedly make?
 
the list of Apple personnel authorized to carry pre-release products like the iPhone in question is personally overseen by Apple CEO Steve Jobs.

Of course it is. Would you expect anything else?

The guy who lost the phone probably gets a nice salary increase now. After all, he's pulled off one of the cheapest but most effective marketing campaigns for the next generation of iPhones.

This event did cost Apple nothing, but the media is all over it and you guys have been talking about nothing else for days already.

Exactly correct. Just when Apple's media coverage was turning to iPad delays and wifi issues, now it's all about another new Apple product. Steve couldn't have bought better coverage than this.
 
People who believe in conspiracy theories are generally the dumbest idiots of all, but by always taking the stance that they smell a rat, they think they appear cunning and perceptive. That's the most annoying aspect of conspiracy buffs – they actually believe they're way smarter than the people they generally refer to as "gullible sheep who swallowed the official story", when in fact most of these dumbasses would perform miserably in an IQ test or any manner of trial where reason and logic are involved.

Your self-righteousness is a tad overwrought, don't you think? Was it a planned leak by Apple's PR machine? Perhaps not. However, give people some credit for their skepticism; given the company's history in regards to the way it disseminates information does give at least some credence to the belief.

If you don't believe it was a controlled leak, I think you make some strong arguments why it's not. On the other hand, have the maturity to at least acknowledge why some may feel differently, even if their conclusions are totally off the mark.
 
I'm guessing some of you are generation Y kids who were never taught the difference between good attention and bad attention, and therefore you can't distinguish good marketing/media coverage from bad marketing/media coverage either.

First, it's Apple. Do you really think they have trouble attracting attention when they announce something officially? If there's a new iPhone, EVERYONE will know, without the assistance of a drunken schmuck and some gadget site. Every newspaper around the world has at least one Apple fanboy/evangelist who will write headlines about Apple's new thingy, even if it means pushing the latest natural disaster to page 2.

Now that the new iPhone will be old hat by the time it's released, Apple's regular marketing (the one they blow all their money on) will be partially in vain, because the thunder has already been stolen. Steve may be rich and powerful, but he still gets a buzz out of unveiling a new product with the whole world watching. Now he'll only get to pull an old hat out of his pocket, to the sound of scattered, lukewarm applause and a couple of yawns.

Second, why on earth would you think Apple would want people to get their first impression of the next iPhone through grainy, badly lit amateur photos of a prototype? Is the initial reaction not proof enough that this couldn't be Apple's making? "Faaaake! OMG that's hideous! So un-Apple! Looks like a crappy Sony Ericsson! So unsexy my d*** fell off! Was Ive on holiday when they designed this turd?? " This company thrives on presentation – well lit, retouched, spotless products that look like a million bucks even though they're mass produced in some sweat shop in China. Anyone who thought the Gizmodo photos constituted attractive presentation, raise a hand.

Third, if you're suggesting there's something conspicuously "convenient" about the timing (diverting attention from HTC / Android / whatever), think again. Apple spreads the releases very carefully over the year so that no big launch overshadows another. You'll have noticed that Steve has stopped doing the "one more thing" schtick years ago, in favor of doubling the number of keynote presentations so that each item gets undivided attention. They just released the iPad, which is no mere refresh but an entirely new product category that they have grandiose world domination plans for. And not only that, but they also released new quadcore laptops only last Tuesday. Those products are what Apple wants the spotlight on, until the iPhone arrives. Instead, the focus was now abruptly shifted from their new products to one that isn't even available yet. So: It killed iPad attention, killed MBP attention and killed iPhone 3GS sales prematurely (now they'll be stuck with droves of those in stock). And to top it off, it killed attention surrounding the Q2 report – their best non-holiday quarter ever. What kind of f***ed up company would want that, let alone do it willingly?

rjlawrencejr said:
However, give people some credit for their skepticism; given the company's history in regards to the way it disseminates information does give at least some credence to the belief.
Yes, some skepticism is always healthy. But it also has to be reasonable and well founded. Skepticism alone is useless because it's just too easy. Like doubt. That's why the legal system makes a distinction between reasonable doubt and plain doubt, because any idiot can doubt something but not everyone can put the doubt in perspective. Like the dumb crackers who let O.J. off the hook. All Johnny Cochran had to do was smile and say things that rhyme so that even morons will memorize them. Their doubt wasn't reasonable.
 
I don't understand this whole story. Will "find my iPhone" not work on the 4G?
I mean they remote wiped it, why didn't they track it down. I have used this feature once and it worked great.

This is why I believe this was a controlled leak.


you can't use find my iphone once its wiped.
 
Accepted, if not expected

Here's my thinking on the whole next gen iphone loss story (since you were asking),

As a new mobile product, Apple has to put it in the hands of people to use it outside their campus - real world testing. The downside to that is that, as my father-in-law says, caca occurs. Items get lost, stolen, damaged, or left behind in a drunken birthday haze. It happens, and it's expected. It's not fun and it's not something you want to happen to you, but it does happen. I feel for this young man. This is a mistake that's going to stay with him for the rest of his life. But, he's learned a valuable lesson and will probably be a much more conscientious and cautious person in general. If there's a time when he's probably most trustworthy to handle company assets, it's probably now. He'd likely rather take a bullet than go through this again.

My thoughts are with him and I look forward to seeing the new phone in person when it's released.

ES
 
Here's my thinking on the whole next gen iphone loss story (since you were asking),

As a new mobile product, Apple has to put it in the hands of people to use it outside their campus - real world testing. The downside to that is that, as my father-in-law says, caca occurs. Items get lost, stolen, damaged, or left behind in a drunken birthday haze. It happens, and it's expected. It's not fun and it's not something you want to happen to you, but it does happen. I feel for this young man. This is a mistake that's going to stay with him for the rest of his life. But, he's learned a valuable lesson and will probably be a much more conscientious and cautious person in general. If there's a time when he's probably most trustworthy to handle company assets, it's probably now. He'd likely rather take a bullet than go through this again.

My thoughts are with him and I look forward to seeing the new phone in person when it's released.

ES
I agree in part, but I read somewhere that the guy is 27 – I think that's way past "kid". He came to Apple from Sony Ericsson and I doubt he'll have trouble finding work – especially at Sony Ericsson, who like to show off their future phones when they're still mere clay mockups. Not that I think Apple will fire him. He may have felt like the biggest idiot in the world during the 24 hours following the mishap, but he'll get over it. I think most of his colleagues approached him with a "sh*t happens" attitude the following day, albeit some mid-level execs may have stared at him funny, and in due time he'll even feel kinda cool about being the legendary Gray Powell who left the new iPhone at a bar.
 
...a team of 200 AT&T technicians supplementing Apple's own team had access to the device in order to put it through its paces and ensure that the cellular network was ready to handle the device.

The irony being that the network wasn't ready, and still isn't.
 
That is my thinking. I agree with you that there is plenty of blame to go around. But this employee acted like he was carying around his regular iphone. When in reality he was carying around something extremely valuable to the company. In fact some may say one of the most important items Apple currently sells. This employee is lucky that the iphone only wound up in the hands of gadget wesbite like Gizmodo. This situation could have turned out a lot worse, especially for the emplotyee.

To me this just screams of poor judgement.

It also screams HILARIOUS typos of a double entendre nature!

"cary? carry!" " ...most important items Apple currently sells." If Apple were 'currently' selling it, this would be a non-issue...

And I definitely agree that Gizmodo put a wesbite on the unfortunate emplotyee - If he was really in on the PLOT!

POOR JUDGMENT! EEEEE!
 
Dear Steve Jobs please retire and let people do their work.
And please stop making garbage iPhones, at least make one that has all the features that normal mobiles already have plus new features that only Apple can add.
Since every mobiles (even the 1 or 2 year old and crappiest one in japan) have:
- replaceable battery
- customizeble desktop
- customizable screensaver
- good line reception
- customizable ringtones
- front face user camera for video call
and so on
Please update the iPhone, because I bought it some some months ago (3GS 32GB) and it suck!
Otherwise, please dear Steve Jobs retire.


please commit Hari Kari or Seppuku what ever your preference...
 
EHY! I'm a APPLE big big fan!
I have a macbook and a iMac27 inches i5.
It's too much to demand from Apple a good quality mobile like they are doing with computers?
It's wrong to be angry with who put smoke in your eyes pretending that iPhone will be a mobile phone that will change the mobile world and it is not?
It is wrong to defend a poor guy that (if he's true) just drink too much, was thinking to his problems and forget a new iPhone around?

the iPhone has changed the world even your world...because you're whining about it...don't buy it if you don't like it...don't you all have the most advanced mobiles in the world in japan? use a Nokia
 
But what about "Find My iPhone"?

The part that I haven't see mentioned anywhere is that they didn't just use the MobileMe feature, Find My iPhone.

The Gizmodo reports that the iPhone was locked the next day. But if they could lock it remotely, they sure could have found it.

When I click find my iPhone, I get a map to my house. Even if it's off by a house or two, why couldn't the all powerful goons working as Apple Security just knocked on a couple of doors and politely asked for the company's property back?
 
The part that I haven't see mentioned anywhere is that they didn't just use the MobileMe feature, Find My iPhone.

The Gizmodo reports that the iPhone was locked the next day. But if they could lock it remotely, they sure could have found it.

When I click find my iPhone, I get a map to my house. Even if it's off by a house or two, why couldn't the all powerful goons working as Apple Security just knocked on a couple of doors and politely asked for the company's property back?

FIND MY iPHONE IS NOT WORKING ON 4.0 YET
 
Sigh

Apple knew this phone was missing in MARCH and just decided to send a letter to Gizmodo in mid April asking for it back...

CONTROLLED LEAK...maybe not initially but Apple is definitely driving the horses now
 
Easy. Lights are low, you're young and you're drunk. Your friends say, "Let's go", so you get off your bar stool and lay your phone down on it for a second while you rearrange your wallet or jacket or whatever. You get distracted and off you go, leaving the phone still sitting there.


His job description online said that he creates tests for the iPhone baseband. In other words, he's responsible for the phone portion working correctly. Of all the people on the planet, he's the main person you would want testing it in the field.

You may be right. I hope this employee learned a lesson either way. I don't want to see him get fired. I never did. I do still believe what he did was very irresponsible, but everyone does make mistakes, though this was a big one.

I can tell you as it regards to demos and prototypes in the field. When I worked for AT&T as a systems analysts many if not all of our executive management in operations would almost all take home demos many from other companies. They would all of course be testing these demo units and prototype for bugs and what not. Of course we all knew that they were really just carrying working demos as a luxury granted to them by upper management. There was one lady at the company, she was above me, who would take home a blackberry demo. Now this was not a prototype and nothing as sensitive as the iphone, but this lady would leave her blackberry outside on the park benches so many times that is quite often a member of security would have to run after her so she could retrieve it. This lady was responsible for overseeing two different IT divisions and she could careless about the products that she was lugging around, and responsible for.

You would be surprised how many people take advantage of systems like this. I am not saying that this employee with Apple did that, but I can tell you that it does happen.
 
Apple knew this phone was missing in MARCH and just decided to send a letter to Gizmodo in mid April asking for it back...

CONTROLLED LEAK...maybe not initially but Apple is definitely driving the horses now


No, they bricked the device and figured that if the device was found that a responsible finder would have obeyed California law and returned it before Apple would have unveiled it in two months. Clearly that did not happen but they cannot leave data on it and there is no way to locate the phone - they have to depend on the device being honestly returned or nothing.

They had no idea where the device was until Gizmodo did the reveal to the world.

The only controlled lead is from Gizmodo - they had it for a week before they showed it off
 
It also screams HILARIOUS typos of a double entendre nature!

"cary? carry!" " ...most important items Apple currently sells." If Apple were 'currently' selling it, this would be a non-issue...

And I definitely agree that Gizmodo put a wesbite on the unfortunate emplotyee - If he was really in on the PLOT!

POOR JUDGMENT! EEEEE!

Sorry for the typos. :p I could do a better job typing on my ipad, but that is another story.

As far as the post itself. The iphone the employee was carrying around was a prototype of an iphone, :) but yes it is not currently on sale. Though we all know that in a few months time it will be. I would venture that the iphone is one of the biggest sellers in Apple's lineup. So IMO taking an advanced prototype to a bar, when you are likely to consume alcohol, reeks of poor judgment.

But hey it looks like the employee will keep his job and Gizmodo probably increased their website hits but like 2000% :D. So I guess it all worked out for everyone involved.
 
And what have we really learned about this phone that is exciting and secret?

Anything about plans, tiers, prepaid, carriers, reception, etc?

Or even technical stuff like what processor, etc?

Oh, maybe something about a different case... oh, I forgot, the thrilling "video conferencing" camera! Right, that's what it's for!!

And the battery thing. I'll be interested when they put in a fuel cell.

And Jobs, the most accomplished CEO of our time spends his time making little lists of who gets a phone to test? Really? And what other little lists does he allegedly make?

We only know what they are telling us. Who knows that they haven't actually sold this information on.
 
The execs aren't going to do any real testing. Sure, they can provide "user feedback" for real-world experience, but Apple needs to have employees that will run actual tests off-campus. Obviously, those employees don't necessarily need to do testing inside a bar/restaurant.

all this talk about a list, Jobs overseeing it, additional contracts and NDAs etc really makes me question the claims that this young man just left a phone anywhere. There are a lot of folks that suspect it was literally stolen from him by someone that saw a chance to get a free iphone and got very lucky. I'm starting to wonder. Particularly with holes you could drive a tank through in Giz's story and this scapegoating the guy that allegedly 'lost' the phone while protecting the one that 'found' it.

Giz has a history of Apple hate going back to the reaming they gave the company a couple of years ago over Steve's health, which is said to have caused Apple to pull all their ads from all Gawker sites and to deny Giz any preview copies or units of new stuff. Then there was that whole deal with one of their people getting a bad imac last fall, which Giz took as some kind of personal slam. I could see them knowingly buying a stolen iphone in the hopes that it was indeed a prototype just so they could stick it to Apple. And this 'he found it, he tried to give it back' stuff is a smoke screen. that no one at Apple is buying it seems, if there's any truth to the lawsuits.

Why the hell did he have it out off campus? It was his birthday - not like he was going to be doing much Apple related work on the baseband, whilst drinking, on his birthday...

real world field testing. done all the time.

In fact some of the complaints over the years suggest that many folks don't think they do enough of it. on the mobile stuff or the desktop/laptop

Dear Steve Jobs please retire and let people do their work.
And please stop making garbage iPhones, at least make one that has all the features that normal mobiles already have plus new features that only Apple can add.
Since every mobiles (even the 1 or 2 year old and crappiest one in japan) have:
- replaceable battery
- customizeble desktop
- customizable screensaver
- good line reception
- customizable ringtones
- front face user camera for video call
and so on

well two points are moot because 1 is an ATT issue and the other already exists.

As for the rest, it is your opinion that they are vital a few million folks would disagree


People are forgetting Steve Jobs is not above the (employment) law.

funny thing about Cali Employment Law.

if this fellow was under contract and keeping a prototype secure during real world testing was in that contract as a job duty there might be grounds to legally fire him for breach.

if he was an 'at will' employee then Apple, under law, can let him go for no reason at all at any time. Totally legal.


I personally think Steve Jobs instructed the exec to leave it at the bar.

Sure tell the guy to leave it in the hopes that some dishonest person picks it up and sells it to a website.

Let's go one better. Gray Powell wasn't fired because he agreed to be a part of a total con game. He even called the bar claiming he might have lost his phone there and had his dad lie as part of the game.

And then an Apple employee contacted the sites to see if one of them would bite. they were actually hoping it would be Gizmodo so they could get some bad PR for the site after the Valleywag thing with rumors of a lawsuit that will never be filed.

The part that I haven't see mentioned anywhere is that they didn't just use the MobileMe feature, Find My iPhone.

according to reports find my iphone isn't currently working in 4.0. plus you can turn it off by deleting the me.com email.
The Gizmodo reports that the iPhone was locked the next day. But if they could lock it remotely, they sure could have found it.

you can also do that via Exchange.

When I click find my iPhone, I get a map to my house. Even if it's off by a house or two, why couldn't the all powerful goons working as Apple Security just knocked on a couple of doors and politely asked for the company's property back?

because it's illegal.
 
Yeah, that old picture is a no no! :(

Here's the current one. Everyone who leaves Apple at the end of the workday has to light a red candle in front of it in the foyer.

steve-jobs-osama.jpg


Strangely though, everyone who's done it finds all their Blu-ray discs at home are blank. And their Creative Suites no longer work.

:apple:
 
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