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It seems that all A5/X devices will be totally out. Apple has now updated their iOS 10 compatibility webpage. So it means that iOS 10 will have no more:
- Steve Jobs-era devices
- 30-pin dock connector devices
- 3.5 inch screen device
- Non-retina device
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So this is why the OTA profile wasn't working on my iPod touch 5G...

I'll have to install it on my 6+ tomorrow. Bye bye 9.0.2.
 
That is so bloody frustrating. Sounds like Apple cut them off pretty late in the process!! :( Wish they could have just released it as an experimental release for devs.
I barely want to touch my iPad mini because it is so slow on even the simplest tasks. Opening safari and browsing web is simply a pain already.
It is time for them to have a final rest. Wait patiently for iOS 9.3.3.
 
That is so bloody frustrating. Sounds like Apple cut them off pretty late in the process!! :( Wish they could have just released it as an experimental release for devs.
Mostly to get more complaints as to how things are not working well on the much older devices?
 
Mostly to get more complaints as to how things are not working well on the much older devices?

Theres no reason why people couldn't downgrade.
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I barely want to touch my iPad mini because it is so slow on even the simplest tasks. Opening safari and browsing web is simply a pain already.
It is time for them to have a final rest. Wait patiently for iOS 9.3.3.

I'd rather slow downs so I could maintain compatibility + security as I'm stuck with my iPad for a while yet.

Hopefully they do 9.4 or something for A5 devices. Around 40 percent of iPads in use are A5/A5X, pretty irresponsible for Apple to leave them without security updates, especially since it was greedy enough to be selling two A5 devices only a year ago.
 
Kept hoping for an improved performance iOS release for the iPad 2, guess that isn't going to happen. I can understand why/how some features are slow - but really no excuse for some of the lag when just typing a URL into Safari and things like that (even with all the auto complete/suggestions etc. off). I had bought 3 different iPad 2's and one iPad mini when they came out for the family and they were all still in use up until a week ago (my niece broke her screen again) even as just simple game, web browsing, Netflix devices.
 
I reckon they were set to announce that it was going to work on A5 devices up to really late in the process and that frustrates me more than anything

Exactly how would this surprise you…?

The writing was on the wall for a VERY long time now.

Apple continued to sell the original iPad mini back in late 2014 along with the 5th gen iPod Touch. Therefore, they kept the A5 devices alive for iOS 9.

Right
after WWDC 2015, Apple quietly discontinued the original iPad mini, and then they refreshed the iPod touch with an A8 processor, and discontinued the 5th gen model in the process.

By Fall 2015, Apple had gotten rid of the A5 and A6 devices… so I don't understand exactly why you "expected" them to "do you the favor" of keeping these devices around longer. They weren't going to get any faster with any future releases, they were only going to get slower and increasingly less usable.

Things don't last forever, and you're not "guaranteed" anything. Unfortunately, these things get outdated, and the A5 had long shown its age since 2014.
 
Exactly how would this surprise you…?

The writing was on the wall for a VERY long time now.

Apple continued to sell the original iPad mini back in late 2014 along with the 5th gen iPod Touch. Therefore, they kept the A5 devices alive for iOS 9.

Right
after WWDC 2015, Apple quietly discontinued the original iPad mini, and then they refreshed the iPod touch with an A8 processor, and discontinued the 5th gen model in the process.

By Fall 2015, Apple had gotten rid of the A5 and A6 devices… so I don't understand exactly why you "expected" them to "do you the favor" of keeping these devices around longer. They weren't going to get any faster with any future releases, they were only going to get slower and increasingly less usable.

Things don't last forever, and you're not "guaranteed" anything. Unfortunately, these things get outdated, and the A5 had long shown its age since 2014.

Did I say it surprised me? I semi expected it, but also kind of expected Apple to do right by its customers. By the looks the decision to drop the A5 devices came very late as they had the graphics ready for supporting at least the iPad 2, iPad 3, Mini 1 and Touch 5.

I do however believe given the numbers of iPad users who have A5 iPads that Apple should give us security updates for another year. Apple was greedy enough to sell the iPad 2, iPad Mini 1 and Touch 5 all past their sell by dates and should keep them updated in security. Apple is a large company and given the amount they make, I don't think it is much of an ask for them to keep their devices updated software-wise for as long as possible.

Not all of us can purchase a new device at the drop of the hat. Not only that but the environmentally friendly thing to do is to continue software support for as long as possible, to keep devices as unusable for as long as possible (well that plus allowing downgrading). I would have taken a speed hit to ensure another year of compatibility + security on my iPad 2 to last me until Apple can get its act together and put out a fully featured and specced Pro 9.7.
 
People will complain that much older hardware stops getting updates at some point, just as they will complain if the updates continue and don't perform as well on that much older hardware. There's no good outcome there (short of something essentially imaginary).
 
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People will complain that much older hardware stops getting updates at some point, just as they will complain if the updates continue and don't perform as well on that much older hardware. There's no good outcome there (short of something essentially imaginary).

Actually there is a good outcome.

A) More effort is put into optimising software for running under minimal specs
B) Allow users to downgrade
 
Did I say it surprised me? I semi expected it, but also kind of expected Apple to do right by its customers. By the looks the decision to drop the A5 devices came very late as they had the graphics ready for supporting at least the iPad 2, iPad 3, Mini 1 and Touch 5.

I do however believe given the numbers of iPad users who have A5 iPads that Apple should give us security updates for another year. Apple was greedy enough to sell the iPad 2, iPad Mini 1 and Touch 5 all past their sell by dates and should keep them updated in security. Apple is a large company and given the amount they make, I don't think it is much of an ask for them to keep their devices updated software-wise for as long as possible.

Not all of us can purchase a new device at the drop of the hat. Not only that but the environmentally friendly thing to do is to continue software support for as long as possible, to keep devices as unusable for as long as possible (well that plus allowing downgrading). I would have taken a speed hit to ensure another year of compatibility + security on my iPad 2 to last me until Apple can get its act together and put out a fully featured and specced Pro 9.7.

I'm aware of what Apple's website showed earlier today, but I don't believe that's some "last minute change" internally, but rather… a goof from the marketing team (wouldn't be the first time).

It wouldn't make any sense. The iPad 2 and iPhone 4S both run on the same hardware, yet the iPad 2 has to push more pixels than the 4S. Also, it was introduced prior to the iPhone 4S, so if anything, it would make for sense for the iPad 2 to get cut first, not the iPhone 4S.

Regardless, Apple screwed over other iOS users in the past. The 4th gen iPod touch was discontinued only months before WWDC 2013, and there it was announced that the 4th gen iPod touch wouldn't make it to iOS 7. So, anyone who got a 4th gen iPod touch in, say, January 2013 were really unlucky.

If anything, Apple was really quite generous to the A5 devices. Remember the original iPad? Introduced in 2010, didn't even make it to iOS 6. So its lifespan was 2010-2012 (two years). iPhone 3GS's lifespan was 2009-2013, four years. The iPad mini and iPod touch 5th gen's lifespans were also four years, and the iPhone 4S and iPad 2's lifespans were 5-5.5 years.

This is just what happens when you buy old tech at a "bargain" price. You may think you're getting a good deal, but in the long term, you really don't get your money's worth.

It sucks, but that's the cold hard truth.
 
Actually there is a good outcome.

A) More effort is put into optimising software for running under minimal specs
B) Allow users to downgrade
Even with A there will still be older hardware that won't do well at some point. And while I agree with B, it's not really related to making a newer version available or not as that is more of a decision as to how well the hardware can handle it and not so much on whether or not one can "recover" from it.
 
I'm aware of what Apple's website showed earlier today, but I don't believe that's some "last minute change" internally, but rather… a goof from the marketing team (wouldn't be the first time).

Well we can agree/disagree on that.

It wouldn't make any sense. The iPad 2 and iPhone 4S both run on the same hardware, yet the iPad 2 has to push more pixels than the 4S. Also, it was introduced prior to the iPhone 4S, so if anything, it would make for sense for the iPad 2 to get cut first, not the iPhone 4S.

The iPhone 4S is also under clocked and possibly Apple felt the screen was too small for iOS 10. They cut out the Touch 3 even though the nearly identical 3GS got iOS 6 so its not that unprecedented.

Regardless, Apple screwed over other iOS users in the past. The 4th gen iPod touch was discontinued only months before WWDC 2013, and there it was announced that the 4th gen iPod touch wouldn't make it to iOS 7. So, anyone who got a 4th gen iPod touch in, say, January 2013 were really unlucky.

Screwing over users in the past is not a good justification for them to continue doing that. I was just as critical of what they did with the Touch 4. should have stopped selling it in 2012.

If anything, Apple was really quite generous to the A5 devices. Remember the original iPad? Introduced in 2010, didn't even make it to iOS 6. So its lifespan was 2010-2012 (two years). iPhone 3GS's lifespan was 2009-2013, four years. The iPad mini and iPod touch 5th gen's lifespans were also four years, and the iPhone 4S and iPad 2's lifespans were 5-5.5 years.

What happened in the past happened, I believe Apple should be working on making things last as long as possible, again that is the best for the environment and for users (if they are given the choice to downgrade).


This is just what happens when you buy old tech at a "bargain" price. You may think you're getting a good deal, but in the long term, you really don't get your money's worth.

It sucks, but that's the cold hard truth.

I don't think it should be the consumers problem when Apple decides to be a greedy bastard. The Mini 1 was hardly sold at bargain prices and the touch 5 was their premium iPod till it was discontinued.
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Even with A there will still be older hardware that won't do well at some point. And while I agree with B, it's not really related to making a newer version available or not as that is more of a decision as to how well the hardware can handle it and not so much on whether or not one can "recover" from it.

They are both related - if Apple has done its absolute best at optimising a version of iOS for an older device and its still slow, then people can make the choice. I would probably upgrade and take the slower performance if I knew everything had been done. Others who could live with an older version could also do that.

Apple could also continue with security updates for a good period of time, like they do with old versions of OSX.
 
Oh well, my iPad 3 has become very constipated since iOS9... Then again it really wasn't a speed demon to begin with.
Safari is almost useless, but reading PDFs and watching videos is still doable.
I foresee a pretty picture frame/clock in the future ;)
 
Actually there is a good outcome.

A) More effort is put into optimising software for running under minimal specs
B) Allow users to downgrade

No.

Let me fix that for you.
A) More effort is put into optimising software for running under minimal specs
B) Buy new devices.
 
No.

Let me fix that for you.
A) More effort is put into optimising software for running under minimal specs
B) Buy new devices.

That would be Apple's desired outcomes, but not my own. Not all of us can afford dropping big bucks on iPads that have an uncertain lifespan.
 
That would be the common sense outcome for out of date devices, not just Apple's desired outcome.
 
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