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Breaking News ...

SCEE statement:

"During the review process prior to the release of LittleBigPlanet, it has been brought to our attention that one of the background music tracks licensed from a record label for use in the game contains two expressions that can be found in the Qur'an. We have taken immediate action to rectify this and we sincerely apologise for any offence that this may have caused.

"We will confirm the new launch date shortly."

Total crap. :mad: Apparently, the discs have already shipped to retailers. I would think it would be easier just to fix it with a launch-day patch.

Phrases in question:

"1- In the 18th second: "كل نفس ذائقة الموت" ("kollo nafsin tha'iqatol mawt", literally: 'Every soul shall have the taste of death').

2- Almost immediately after, in the 27th second: "كل من عليها فان" ("kollo man alaiha fan", literally: 'All that is on earth will perish')."

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=littlebigplanet&thread.id=129294
 
Original Message Board Post

I'm sure Sony will delete it from the European message boards, but here's the original post that brought light to the reference.

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To: Sony Computer Entertainment & Media Molecule

While playing your latest game, "LittleBigPlanet" in the first level of the third world in the game (titled "Swinging Safari", I have noticed something strange in the lyrics of the music track of the level. When I listened carefully, I was surprised to hear some very familiar Arabic words from the Quran. You can listen to part of the track here:

mt14.quickshareit.com/share/p...lip22503c0.wav


The words are:

1- In the 18th second: "كل نفس ذائقة الموت" ("kollo nafsin tha'iqatol mawt", literally: 'Every soul shall have the taste of death').

2- Almost immediately after, in the 27th second: "كل من عليها فان" ("kollo man alaiha fan", literally: 'All that is on earth will perish').

I asked many of my friends online and offline and they heard the exact same thing that I heard easily when I played that part of the track. Certain Arabic hardcore gaming forums are already discussing this, so we decided to take action by emailing you before this spreads to mainstream attention.

We Muslims consider the mixing of music and words from our Holy Quran deeply offending. We hope you would remove that track from the game immediately via an online patch, and make sure that all future shipments of the game disk do not contain it.

We would also like to mention that this isn't the first time something like this happened in videogames. Nintendo's 1998 hit "Zelda: Ocarina of Time" contained a musical track with islamic phrases, but it was removed in later shipments of the game after Nintendo was contacted by Muslim organizations. Last year, Capcom's "Zack & Wiki" and Activision's "Call of Duty 4" also contained objectionable material offensive to Muslims that was spotted before the release of the final games, and both companies thankfully removed the content.

We hope you act immediately to avoid any confusion and unnecessary controversy, and we thank you for making such an amazing game.

Regards,
yasser
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Just like the blabbering gibberish doll who was saying "Allah is the light" or some such nonsense...

I mean, the game isnt written IN arabic, so one can argue that its hearing what you want to hear...like clouds and shapes.

...sigh.

Nintendo's 1998 hit "Zelda: Ocarina of Time" contained a musical track with islamic phrases, but it was removed in later shipments of the game after Nintendo was contacted by Muslim organizations.
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actually, i am pretty sure that was merely the use of the crescent symbol on everything...which were removed along with the red blood from Ganon during endgame...I dont recall any actual lyrics in any of the OoT songs, maybe some chanting or whatever...

I mean, are we going to listen to people beatbox and have someone from the tribe in "The Gods Must Be Crazy" saying its offensive because your gibberish sounds like our language sometimes?

When people say "We...XXX" like We Muslims, does he really believe he holds the answer for an entire group of people worldwide? I dont think so, but way to just grab that religious banter and run with it!
 
Media Molecule Press Release

As some of you may have noticed, LBP has been slightly delayed in some territories. At MM we were as shocked and dismayed by this as anyone - shellshocked and gutted. We can’t wait for you all to get playing and creating!

We learnt yesterday that there is a lyric in one of the licensed tracks which some people may find offensive, and which slipped through the usual screening processes. Obviously MM and Sony together took this very seriously. LBP should be enjoyable by all. So within 12 hours of hearing about this issue involving a lyric (in Somalian, I believe!), we prepared an automatic day 0 patch and had a new disk image ready; however a decision was made within Sony that the right thing to do for quality and support of people with no on-line was to replace existing disks. They assure us that they are doing everything in their power to get things straightened out as fast as possible, and will announce dates soon.

Apologies to everyone excited to play the game and I can assure you that when it arrives, it will be worth the wait! We want everyone to be able to enjoy the game, and this tweak should help - we’re just gutted it couldn’t be sooner. MM continues to work hard to support the game too. We know that LBP will be something that you can enjoy for a long time to come, when all of this is forgotten and all that remains are thousands of incredible levels and creations to play, create and share.

[EDIT Sony are going to announce new dates and information re discs for each territory soon. We’ll keep you posted! The patch is ready from our side and I imagine it will go live at the same time as the game. More info when we get it. ]

http://www.mediamolecule.com/2008/10/17/and-in-other-news/

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Story gets better and better ...

"Well, the song is "Tapha Niang" from the 2006 album Boulevard de l'Independance by Grammy award-winning Malian kora player Toumani Diabaté (and it's available on iTunes, both Zune and Amazon marketplaces, and we imagine just about any place popular world music is sold). You can even listen to the track in its entirety on Toumani's MySpace page."

"From the brief research we've done (um ... Wikipedia), we have yet to find evidence to suggest "Tapha Niang" (or any Toumani Diabaté production for that matter) has been criticized for possible religious offenses prior to today's development. In fact, a profile published by Taipei Times describes Toumani Diabaté as 'a devout Muslim, with his own prayer room next to his office.'"

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/17/i...mmy-award-winning-artists-2006-song/#comments
 
Well I would rather the day 0 patch but hopefully they get this game out before the end of November.

How come the lyrics to this song wasn't noticed earlier and I'm talking about before LBP?


Note: Everything is religious offensive these days..but those are some harsh lyrics.



Bless
 
Quite amazing that it got this far before they realised. Surely they had a researcher?
 
Well at least its only delayed a week.....gives me a little bit of time with Fable II.


Note: People are actually bitching that sony delayed the game because of this.....I don't see it as a big deal but since they were able to stop it in time and save face then why not.



Bless
 
People are too PC, too touchy nowadays.. Next thing you know a church in Manchester will be suing Sony..... :rolleyes:
 
People are too PC, too touchy nowadays.. Next thing you know a church in Manchester will be suing Sony..... :rolleyes:

Holy hell I forgot about that, was at that church a few days back too.

But it's what you get here now. "brainstorming" is out, mind-mapping is in. Can't play conkers anymore incase they set on fire and burn your face into 2. Not to mention one of my my old uni's has just renamed their toilets, to accommodate cross-gender folk we no longer have male or female toilets... They're 'urinals' and 'urinals with toilets' :rolleyes: I could go on. But we're becoming a crazy soft country.
 
Well. I'm dissapointed. Sony probably wasted a ton of money on this when they could have just released a first day patch. But hey... Now I can afford to get socom a little earlier and then play socom, far cry, and resistance beta for a week before lbp on oct 27.
 
This was said on the lbp forum and i believe it rings 100% true;
If this was ANY other religion this issue would be treated with a patch.

Hey Kiddies, have you seen The Exorcist? Remember what she did with that cross? If you're old enough you'll know muslims weren't too thrilled with aspects of the opening sequence of that movie but you still see it's there... point being...

I'm disgusted that now every forum for LBP worldwide is exploding with this topic of conversation marring its release.

For those who keep saying that they stood to lose money... FROM WHO?!? The people who have been chomping at the bit to play this game and would have definately gotten others to play???
And if you look at the specifics of the Sony Recall, it is being done for a VERY specific group:

Muslims who don't have an internet connections playing LBP.... (!?!)

Kinda seems like a rather tiny subset of the GLOBAL gaming community. THERE IS NO POINT TO PLAYING THE GAME IF YOU DON"T HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION YOU HOSERS!!!!!!!!!

So if we remove the notion that they would have somehow LOST money by making a patch and we remove the notion that there was any sort of "subversive" intention behind the lyrics (*I* GET that it was thematic and quite frankly arabic singing can be quite beautiful albeit a bit baleful and we use fire and brimestone from EVERY religion for thematic purposes for MILLENIA) and we remove the notion that they had some sort of responsibilty to do so because it is an "E" rated game....

We're left with the fact that this is the end result of terrorism. Some ******s burned down a newspaper and anyone who thinks that was justified would not be playing video games as I am sure it is somehow against their religion in the end, because that is EXACTLY the image they are trying to shut out.

This issue is no longer about the delay. It has to do with the precident the actions taken now set. This has to do with ONE PERSON submitting an issue getting an ENTIRE company jumping at the slightest ululation.
DO NOT be naive and say that they would have done this in any other case because they would NOT have.

How can I say this with any confidence?

If those exact words had been spoken in Spanish, Japanese, French, Dutch, Finnish, Russian, Chinese, Portuguese, English or even frickin' Aboriginal.... there would BE no issue would there? But Nooooo, because it's spoken in Arabic, it could have "only" come from the Koran (don't care sp) .

Do you people have ANY idea what this kind of thing would mean if Buddhists found fault in depictions of themselves in games? Do you?! How many characters would never exist? Dhalsim in Street Fighter could be offensive to Hindus. In how many games have Buddhist monks broken their vows or depicted as evil or aspects of their beliefs used simply as set pieces?

OPEN YOUR DAM EYES TO THE LARGER ISSUE!

Before Sony passed down the decision from "on high", the discussion was open to a remedy but NOW that that decision is being acted upon it changes the focus of the forums. Most other countries would simply BAN the game within their borders like Australia did with Resistence 2 due to usage of real world drugs in the game causing the makers to go back and change them all to fictional drugs... My point being that there were a myriad of choices to make in order to remedy this that would have STILL cast Sony in a positive light for responding to such a SMALL infraction.
However, because of the choice that WAS made: a frackin' GLOBAL RECALL = COMPLETE OVER REACTION it has gone into a much more serious category of discussion of censorship and appeasement (look those words up young ones).

So stop with the posts saying they had no choice and that they [Sony] would have lost money because we KNOW that they would not have and we KNOW that this kind of complaint comes at the drop of a hat and we KNOW there were other options that entreated the LARGER group of concern which would be US! The people who WANTED to play the game NOT look for fault in it.

So hey Christians, see what ya gotta do to stop the next Mortal Kombat or GTA? Burn something down and then constantly use the word "WE" in your correspondence to complain about them, ie "WE" find it offensive". Read the original email and replace "we" with "I" and you'll have the right to be angry and ignored like the rest of the world when Grandma gets upset at the "hussies on the tv programs and the musics"...

Pffft...
 
I think I know how it got so far without being noticed.

Nobody gives a crap short of a few hot headed muslims who don't speak for the whole muslim population just their zenophobic sects.
 
Well gosh, i hate ignorant people

Edit: I found another "more colorful" quote on this issue... This one made me smile a bit

I really recomend cheshyrgrin,'s comment to anyone that sees this as total BS, I really thing the only reason this isn't being allowed because they're a terrorist bunch of ******, WHO "in the name of religion" can do anything in almost any country with out prosecution. This is ******* ********. I say we bomb or kill one of them next time in the name of our invisible made -up best friend (religion) and see how the **** they like it. Then next time their country needs help, maybe we don't send aid, maybe we decide to take their ignorant 12th century laws into our own hands, maybe we should invade (in the name of religion). Lets see how they ******* take it. Ignorant ******.
 
To add to the excellent quotes above, you can bet your ass if this was something offensive to Chrisitians Sony would've ignored them or politly responded, "too bad." Bin Laden got exactly what he wanted.
 
are they reshipping all the games to be "ok"?

if so, what are they doing with the games already made? i wouldnt mind taking one. the stuff in question wouldnt offend me. i wouldnt have even noticed lol
 
I absolutely agree that this has turned in to such a big deal due to the fact that it's the Muslim religion.

But please don't wrap the entire Muslim religion in to this decision. It is the extremists that have associated terrorism with the muslim religion. There are millions of muslims that denounce terrorism, so don't just automatically associate the two.
 
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