Logan movie on iTunes is subtly censored.

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  1. NameUndecided, Dec 10, 2017
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    This is something funny I noticed this morning as I watched Logan, purchased through iTunes. I'm sharing this partially out of amusement, and also just really curious if others have it this same way --

    Everything seems intact throughout the movie except for one word. A few times during the film, a certain swear word that refers the male anatomy and starts with the letter D is said. And each time, it was muted out.

    The first occurrence, I think, was during Charles' and Logan's first dialogue at the beginning of the movie. It was so quick and subtle I thought it maybe an audio glitch and I didn't pay it enough mind.

    The second time, when Logan and Eriq LaSalle's character are out in the field at night checking the water supply and the local bad guys come to give Eriq LaSalle trouble. Logan uses the censored word when talking to the bad dudes. This time I played it back to make sure. The subtitles were uncensored. The audio muted out the word.

    Third time I noticed is near the very end, when a kid character (boy who looks like Rami Malek) yells out the word. Same censoring of that very particular word.

    I really think this is just a mistake in the version that Fox has given out to iTunes. But as silly as it is, I also thought it important enough to send Apple feedback about how they are, very-likely-unwittingly, giving customers a censored version of a movie. It was… such a weird thing to broach inside of an Apple Customer Support Chat. But it's important that they know if this is happening with the movies they're selling us.

    If anyone else has the movie in their library and wants to check, please do. I was watching the color version today. I didn't notice this when watching the Noir version a couple months ago. The easiest spot I know to check is Logan's line at the 1:20:35 mark. "Go play Okie ****head somewhere else."
     
  2. mrklaw macrumors 68020

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    doesn't the movie have other, stronger swearing in it? Are they censored out too, or only this one? Strange.
     
  3. NameUndecided thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Only the one word. Violence and all other language appears completely unaltered. It's soooo strange.
     
  4. scouser75 macrumors 65816

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    I'm so glad you brought this up as I've noticed some minor editing in some films I've watched. Superman Man of Steel, The Fisher King and Die Hard.

    Superman was some very poor editing that not even a student film would allow!
     
  5. CaTOAGU macrumors 6502a

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    Huh, weird. I'm not seeing that here, the ****head swearword is perfectly audible. I'm in the U.K. if that makes a difference.
     
  6. NameUndecided thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It might be different in other regions? I'm in the US. And I was also sort of hoping I wouldn't be the only one to hear this with my iTunes copy because otherwise I'm just going to sound crazy.

    If anyone ever notices that a digital copy of a movie is censored from its original version, please bring it up to the company you bought or rented it from. It might not be intentional on either the seller's or studio's part, but I think it's something people should be [kindly and patiently] vocal about.
     
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    I wonder if they censored Jonah Hill's drawings in Superbad?

    You can say the d-word and p-word on the radio as long as it's the adjective form and not the genital noun form.
     
  8. NameUndecided thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I do want to say though, that if anyone ever told my past self that someday I'd be contacting Apple Support to complain about the lack of d***s in the new Wolverine movie…



    I don't even know how to end that thought.
     
  9. JeffPerrin macrumors 6502

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    That's hilarious! - especially if they kept in all of Jean-Luc's F-bombs! :)
     
  10. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Can you give a specific time stamp to check in Logan? I want to bring it up and see if I see the same thing.
     
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    Would be fun to try and get a refund, because of the censoring.
     
  12. err404 macrumors 68020

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    It should be easy to get a refund for content issues like an altered movie. Just send a complaint that the content is censored and that you are unhappy. They will almost certainly refund the purchase without you even directly asking.
    I have had content refunded simply because I sent negative feedback. (The Orville has lead in and post ads on iTunes)
     
  13. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Makes me wonder how edited something like Deadpool will be.
     
  14. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    I went and watched two of the scenes the OP described last night in my copy and he's right. This censoring wasn't there the first time I watched the movie right after purchasing it, right when it was available. The rest of the language and violence is there, but that one word is "bleeped" out. Very strange.
     
  15. NameUndecided thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I gave one time stamp in my first post -- 1hour, 20minutes, and 35seconds in. That gives a five-second lead-in for Logan to walk up and say his line.
    Also you can watch toward the conclusion of the end fighting sequence, the bad guys will be holding back the young leader boy, and the boy will shout something to the effect of "kill these d*s, Logan!"

    Thank you(!) very much for confirming I'm not the only one. Was honestly almost-afraid I'd be mentioning it here, and to the Apple Support people, and I might be the only one experiencing it. That is a weight off.

    Concerning refunds -- I don't really want or need the money back for something I've watched a couple times through now, and I don't want to risk them removing it from my library along with a refund. I just want them to be aware and to get it fixed.
     
  16. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    I just checked and mine is not censored. I played the movie through itunes on my phone. The movie was a digital redeem from a UHD disc I purchased. I went to the 1h20m35second and heard the D word clear as day.

    I wonder if it has to do with direct itunes purchases only.
     
  17. BJMRamage macrumors 68020

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    I have this movie on iTunes via digital copy.
    I have never seen the movie but went to the mark above at 1:20.35 and heard the Okie ********s line.
    This was played via iCloud Streaming on a MBP (via iTunes)...not on AppleTV but it was streaming.
     
  18. err404 macrumors 68020

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    It is also possible that the audio tracks are different. The stereo and 5.1 streams are unique and sometimes will have significant differences. Your phone will play back the stereo version whereas many home theater set ups will play the ACC 5.1 track.
    OP could try forcing his Apple TV to stereo only to see if that has the same censoring.
     
  19. NameUndecided thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Just checked on my iPad. The line is uncensored on that audio track.

    I went into my Apple TV settings and changed the audio option to Stereo, and the line is restored. Changed it back to "Best quality available" and it's predictably muted out again.

    I feel like a detective.
     
  20. Rigby macrumors 601

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    One more datapoint: I just checked the file I downloaded via iTunes in August. The "Okie d***head" around 1:20:35 is intact on both audio tracks.
     
  21. PonyRidingBear macrumors newbie

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    I just checked on my apple TV 4k and in the UK it is censored but in uncensored on my iPhone.
    So I went in setting and changed it to stereo and it was uncensored WTF. Apple need to sort out their Dolby Digital track
     
  22. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    Apple is deliberately choosing what content is allowed only?

    Seems by changing audio one dialog version Apple wants to further distance it from another.

    Alternately, just a bug probably.
     
  23. err404 macrumors 68020

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    Apple has no control over this. I’m pretty sure that the audio tracks are exactly as the studio provided to Apple.
    This isn’t a bug. Stereo and 5.1 are intentionally separate streams. It’s actually not uncommon for the two streams to be mixed very differently. I noticed this myself a few years ago with “Alien”. The 5.1 has completely different sound effects at some points vs the stereo track.
    While I agree that it is weird and obnoxious, Fox is the only one who can fix it.
     
  24. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Well why would the physical disc not be censored then? I will check when I get home and play the movie through VUDU on my home theater. If it does not censor the track that would be an Apple issue correct? Different dialogue is not normal at all
     
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    It takes action to remove the word, so the censoring is probably deliberate, but forgot to do it for the stereo version.
     

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