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I used to be in a band and also did some recording for them.
If anything, the only computer tool that, IMO, deserves some blame for making music "too easy" for anyone lacking skill to perform is "auto tune" for vocals.

I think when it comes to the human voice, we expect that the ability to sing in tune is part of what defines someone as a "good singer". When you remove the need to do that, because you're just going to fix it in the studio ... you're definitely just cheating.

Your musical instruments already have the ability to play notes in tune, by design. If you fail to tune one properly? Well, that's a mistake on your part as a musician playing it -- but I would think an ability to correct that in the mix would be more acceptable. After all, you're just trying to make the instrument play as intended at that point, knowing full well it's capable of doing that on its own.

Most of what programs like Logic Pro offer are just easier ways to accomplish the same tasks people have been doing in recording studios since the early days. In some cases, it improves on what was possible before (such as being able to pitch correct a track after you purposely slow it down or speed it up to fix a timing problem). But ultimately? Most bands, when performing live, do make a few mistakes here and there. You often don't even notice it, in the audience, listening to them, or you may just think it was performed differently on purpose since the band is changing up some things anyway, to keep it fresh and unique. But a studio recording is about perfection .... getting a recording of everything JUST so. That requires a lot of these tools to tweak things and make small corrections.


Wow so you really don't need any ability or skill at all any more? And we wonder why music is treated as a near-worthless commodity. :(
 
I really wish Apple kept developing Aperture. I still don't understand why they kept Final Cut Pro and Logic and not Aperture.

That Aperture development was halted without a suitable replacement at that time was, and still is, truly mystifying—bordering on the absurd—given how evangelically Apple entered Aperture into the high-end photography space at that time, all but killing Adobe, and now how they have incredible resources invested in all things iPhone picture and video related.

That said, by my recent experience using Photos on the Mac, I can say that it is slowly gaining some of Aperture’s good feature set, but still lacks the core functionality of Lightroom, such as masking, while also foregoing more obscure but essential tools such as lens correction and automatic chromatic aberration removal.

The much vaunted Photos plugins are less to be seen than used, as the process of finding them, choosing the right one for the job, then installing and using them in a sensible workflow was never intuitive from the outset. Moreover, sadly, there appears to be a drought of third party developers who were supposed to add the necessary tools to match Aperture and Lightroom via such plugins.

The good news: Lightroom CC (not Classic) has adopted some of the best aspects of the UI and features of Photos, Aperture and perhaps also Affinity Photo, to make it a very sensible, fluid, fast, stable and powerful app.
 
Wow so you really don't need any ability or skill at all any more? And we wonder why music is treated as a near-worthless commodity. :(
That sort of technique has been around for years it is nothing new. I teach music production at upper secondary school and some of my students have never played an instrument but can put together pretty cool stuff just by fooling around. And that is how most of us started. But then it was 4-tack cassette players and external drum machines. This just opens up more ways to explore.

But it should be stated that the students that have former training and knows how to play one or two instruments have so much more control over the result
 
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Can't find any presets on the Phat FX and Tempo FX and that's odd.. could someone please check out if there are presets on their machines?

SOLVED: presets must be downloaded from Sound Library Manager (essential sounds and instruments)
 
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I really wish Apple kept developing Aperture. I still don't understand why they kept Final Cut Pro and Logic and not Aperture.
Photos is actually quite close to Aperture now. I actually can't remember anything that I could do with Aperture which I can't do with Photos at the moment.
 
The sudden killing off of Aperture does seem a bit odd. But I was under the impression that Apple's long-term plan was to roll it into the Photos app -- which would mean you get all that functionality at no extra charge, just because you use a Mac with OS X.

It feels like it was discontinued prematurely, with Photos being so slow to gain capabilities .... but that was likely a financial decision on Apple's part too. (Reuse the development team who was responsible for Aperture, having them focus on Photos and other image related things for the Mac.). If they kept Aperture alive, they'd have to maintain support staff for it and users would get irritated about a lack of updates after a while.


That Aperture development was halted without a suitable replacement at that time was, and still is, truly mystifying—bordering on the absurd—given how evangelically Apple entered Aperture into the high-end photography space at that time, all but killing Adobe, and now how they have incredible resources invested in all things iPhone picture and video related.

That said, by my recent experience using Photos on the Mac, I can say that it is slowly gaining some of Aperture’s good feature set, but still lacks the core functionality of Lightroom, such as masking, while also foregoing more obscure but essential tools such as lens correction and automatic chromatic aberration removal.

The much vaunted Photos plugins are less to be seen than used, as the process of finding them, choosing the right one for the job, then installing and using them in a sensible workflow was never intuitive from the outset. Moreover, sadly, there appears to be a drought of third party developers who were supposed to add the necessary tools to match Aperture and Lightroom via such plugins.

The good news: Lightroom CC (not Classic) has adopted some of the best aspects of the UI and features of Photos, Aperture and perhaps also Affinity Photo, to make it a very sensible, fluid, fast, stable and powerful app.
 
I used to be in a band and also did some recording for them.
If anything, the only computer tool that, IMO, deserves some blame for making music "too easy" for anyone lacking skill to perform is "auto tune" for vocals.

I think you more than anyone else got where I was coming from with my comment. Thank you for the reply.
 
Im exited for this, but unfortunately my Mac Pro completely locked up while closing the window for the Step FX plugin, and just now Logic crashed to the desktop while doing a Save As. This last one is unacceptable for me, im going to wait for 4.1.

Welcome to the new Apple. Marketing features matter most, reliability and usability, not so much.
 
All That can be said is “Wow”...

For years I have desired just “one” software or app to dive my efforts into creating music...

Logic Pro X is developing to the point to be “The One” in my book (and I have had many apps, plug-ins etc. in my musical journey). Does a little bit of everything and a whole lot more.

I tip my hat to the Logic Group. Seems to be the only group at Apple right now that has its act together.. Final Cut’s group comes 2nd now though they had a hard start... :)
 
Wow so you really don't need any ability or skill at all any more? And we wonder why music is treated as a near-worthless commodity. :(
lol I always love when people make comments like this. So companies should remove all cool features of their software so that the real pros can really say they are pros because they never had the cool features that make things easier?

Universal Law: In anything whether it's music or trading stocks, no matter how many free and wonderful tools you give someone, they will never become a pro without work. That's why so many people give away free, tools, books and knowledge. Because they know (99.999%) who download grab/download/covet it will never become pros because they are too lazy anyway.

And those kinds of people always make comments like you did. Just telling it like it is. Not a personal attack.

That's why the prosecution of torrent downloaders etc is BS. Those people will never become pros anyway. And if they do become pros, they will re-contribute to society. But this a separate debatable topic.
 



Apple today released a major 10.4 update for its professional audio editing software Logic Pro X, introducing a huge list of new features for musicians and sound editors.

A new Smart Tempo system is designed to keep multiple tracks in sync regardless of their original tempo, allowing content to be combined together automatically. It lets users record into Logic Pro X using an attached instrument sans metronome or click track, with the software analyzing your performance to create a tempo map for the project.

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Several new plug-ins are included in Logic Pro X 10.4, including ChromaVerb, an algorithmic reverb with a colorful visual component, Step FX for rhythmic multi-effect processing, and Vintage EQ with three vintage analog EQ models from the 1950s to 1970s. A full list of all the new plug-ins is below:Two additional drummers with roots and jazz-influenced styles are included, and there are two new vintage brush kits for Drum Kit Designer. Apple has also added more than 800 new loops in a variety of instruments and genres, plus the New Visions library for Alchemy has gained 150 cinematic presets.

Other new features include an undo option for mixer and plug-in actions, an option for saving favorites in the File Browser, support for looping audio files in the Loop Browser, and a new universal design for controlling articulations for a more consistent interface across Logic and third-party instruments.

Today's Logic Pro X update is free for existing users. New users can download Logic Pro X from the Mac App Store for $199.99. [Direct Link]

Article Link: Logic Pro X Gets Massive Update With Smart Tempo, New Plug-Ins, and Hundreds of Loops
[doublepost=1516941680][/doublepost]To the folks that think this will make it easy to create good music. Logic Pro may offer new tools, but it will not make a good song or production any more than a good word processor will make you a good writer. Anyone without production skills and talent will gain some help, but will still have no talent.
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Wow so you really don't need any ability or skill at all any more? And we wonder why music is treated as a near-worthless commodity. :(
 
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Apple today released a major 10.4 update for its professional audio editing software Logic Pro X, introducing a huge list of new features for musicians and sound editors.

I have witnessed the day that a major Logic Pro update is posted on the Mac Blog and some 'La La Land' update makes the front page.

Wow so you really don't need any ability or skill at all any more? And we wonder why music is treated as a near-worthless commodity. :(

I strongly oppose this conclusion. This update actually streamlines the process of writing and is a HUGE timesaver. There is no amount of software, plug-ins and workarounds to balance the fact that one does not have any musical skill.
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Today you have more technology in an iPhone 5 than the one used to record every single album until 2000 at least.

And a lot of people are using this technology to make more and more amazing music. Your point is?
 
Stop releasing free loops and instruments Apple. I'm already dangerously low on disk space. :(
 
The sudden killing off of Aperture does seem a bit odd. But I was under the impression that Apple's long-term plan was to roll it into the Photos app -- which would mean you get all that functionality at no extra charge, just because you use a Mac with OS X.

It feels like it was discontinued prematurely, with Photos being so slow to gain capabilities .... but that was likely a financial decision on Apple's part too. (Reuse the development team who was responsible for Aperture, having them focus on Photos and other image related things for the Mac.). If they kept Aperture alive, they'd have to maintain support staff for it and users would get irritated about a lack of updates after a while.


In my opinion there was an irrational haste and panic of many here to abandon Aperture after the announcement that it would not be further developed. As I have said already then, there was no need, since Aperture and iPhoto continued to work for several OS X updates and just recently start feeling abandoned IMO. I continued working with iPhoto after the announcement for 2 years until Photos had matured enough, then I switched and it was a seamless and painless process. Aperture users could have also done this instead of spending money on Lightroom with all the hassle of switching platforms.
 
That Aperture development was halted without a suitable replacement at that time was, and still is, truly mystifying—bordering on the absurd—given how evangelically Apple entered Aperture into the high-end photography space at that time, all but killing Adobe, and now how they have incredible resources invested in all things iPhone picture and video related.

While Aperture was evangelized by Apple, it didn't have a major market share based on my observations of fellow photographers. Lightroom and Capture 1 were just too pervasive in the market. FCP and Logic, conversely, were major players in their market has never released its hold on professional recording, production and composition, and FCP only got somewhat minimized due to the premature release of FCPX. FCPX appears to be gaining some lost ground
 
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While Aperture was evangelized by Apple, it didn't have a major market share based on my observations of fellow photographers. Lightroom and Capture 1 were just too pervasive in the market. FCP and Logic, conversely, were major players in their market has never released its hold on professional recording, production and composition, and FCP only got somewhat minimized due to the premature release of FCPX. FCPX appears to be gaining some lost ground

Yes, interesting journey of Emagic to Logic and FCP to FCPX.

Logic probably has had a little more of a successful evolution and love than its brother FCP, especially since logic (and might still have- not sure now) kept the original creators when it first came over to Apple many moons ago. The Logic team seem to hit the mark and timing with upgrades and new versions as it progressed as an app. Logic 9 was awesome and Logic Pro X now takes the cake, Good projection in timely updates and seeing where to go.

I am curious why Apple bought Emagic instead of another Music app way back when, because Emagic at the time to me had a huge learning curve and there were other simpler apps out their to buy (or take over) at the time. Logic Pro X has still somewhat of a learning cure, but once you get the hang of it, it works well.

I remember talking with one of the developers a few years ago who had a German accent during a support call (might have been the actual creator of Emagic). They released a version that was a disaster and had many issues with third party audio interface drivers, so I called technical support. Support actually patch me through right away to the logic team themselves. I told them I was in the middle of a recording in my studio and I tried to sound important to get some attention... :). Like Steve a Jobs use to do....It was true about stuck in a recording, but probably got lucky with my call.

I had the pleasure of working out one of the issues with the developer and they were thankful because Apple’s management was giving the team a lot of heat to fix the issue....many calls, but no one was telling them what actually was broke. He told me honestly that he was getting many flags from support and especially upper management, but no information to help him resolve the problems. He said, “No one is telling me what is broke, just complaining...”. Cool experience and I am glad Apple still see’s Logic as worthy of their attention.

FCP to FCPX probably had miscalculated timing in the switch to a more consumer app then a Pro app when they killed (probably prematurely) FCP. But now FCPX in my opinion is back to Pro status (yes, still needs a little more). They wrote the code from the ground up I believe, so understand why maybe the dumbing down had to be in the beginning, but looking back was probably not a wise decision. Probably Apple looking back would have maybe waited a little longer before making the jump, but they Had pressure to release something in completion with Premire and others at the time.

Also, project time scheduling is more of a priority now with the new Apple instead of “get it right” before release like in the days when Jobs was at the helm.
 
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