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Logic Studio 10 being released anytime soon?

robains said:
Don't hold your breath on Logic Pro X. If you want to know the status of the next version of Logic Pro, go to the folks that produce the add-ons and the hardware (and drivers) ... sadly there's a big void ... which tells me these folks are out in the cold just like everyone else about Logic Pro ... this is NOT a good thing.

There's a Eerie Silence in the world of 3rd party and supporting hardware ... way more silence that in all prior versions of Logic Pro ... as is there is no next version, this is EOL for Logic Pro.

GarageBand now available for iPad and iPod and iPhone for only $4.99 on App Store ... another big clue.

Tis sad, I love Logic Pro 9. Apple just don't seem to want to be in the "Pro" applications business nor in the "Pro" hardware business any more ... I guess the ROI just can't match iPad, iPhone, iPod, iMac, and MacBooks. I understand it from a business perspective, but I don't have to like it.

Rob
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I don't think Apple is going to abandon Logic Pro. Don't forget they also came out with iMovie for the iPhone and iPad, but at the same time releasing Final Cut Pro X, so if it wasn't important to them, they wouldn't have poured the time and resources to try and reinvent the Mac version.

Also keep in mind that Apple has consistently released a new version of Final Cut Pro every 2 years, give or take a couple of months. The average release cycle with Logic is similar, with two exceptions: the release from Logic 6 to 7 was less than one year, and the release between 7 to 8 was three years. Version 8 to 9 was exactly 2 years, so I really don't see Apple not releasing Logic next year. We could possibly see a repeat of FCP X demo for Logic at Nab in April. There's also NAMM coming up so given the current timing of Logic's refresh cycle, the stars could be aligning soon :)
 
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I want to believe you ... but regardless of the release time frame, in ALL past releases of LP there have been work efforts from many of the various 3rd party providers (an excitement you might say) ... but not this time ... I see work effort, just none of it being focused towards Apple's LP. That's the guiding measure I use ... I hope it's wrong.

Personally I have no idea who would want to use iPad or iPhone or iPod to compose music ... maybe just a curiosity/gimmick to say "look what I can do" for the masses, but nothing anyone serious about music composition would consider a viable option. I use two 30" LCDs and plan to buy another 30" LCD so that I can work more efficiently with LP ... I can't image anyone working (efficiently) on a 1024 x 768 iPad or even worse 960 x 640 iPhone 4S.

Apple just seem uninterested in the "Pro" side ... diverting "Pro" application resource to work on Garage Band for iPad/iPhone is a move to try to keep the sales of these portable devices strong even though Garage Band really has no serious practical application on those devices.

The FCP X release with promises to quickly bring it up to the feature set of FCP 7 just has not happened -- couple of updates for minor bug fixes, nothing more. What's even more discouraging is this: apple article that more or less says DON'T install FCP X if you have FCP 7 ... can you imagine the impact of existing LP 9 users if Apple do the same and tell everyone not to install LP X if you have LP 9 already on your primary HD. FCP X was not a "normal" cycle release process, far from it.

I really do want to "believe", but everything Apple have done recently clearly demonstrates and exit strategy from Pro applications and Pro hardware.

Fortunately LP 9 is pretty darn good, it could use a few new features, but it's stability on SL has been great. I'm in no rush to move to another product, but that can't last indefinitely, times do change, and other tools do progress.

Rob
 
I see the iPad and iPhone app as more as a sketchpad to capture ideas. Beyond that, it really doesn't have that much professional use. If you really push it and add USB mics and MIDI interfaces to the iPad, You might as well use your regular rig.

But Apple is still accountable to the masses and needs to give them something and not alienate the masses. Music making is for the masses and they are simply giving them the tools to have fun.
 
robains said:
I want to believe you ... but regardless of the release time frame, in ALL past releases of LP there have been work efforts from many of the various 3rd party providers (an excitement you might say) ... but not this time ... I see work effort, just none of it being focused towards Apple's LP. That's the guiding measure I use ... I hope it's wrong.
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You're observations are definitely noted. I have not taken the time to observe 3rd party behavior so it's worth it that you bring it up. Perhaps, as Nab approaches closer, we may yet see 3rd party activity. I'm hoping.

robains said:
Apple just seem uninterested in the "Pro" side ... diverting "Pro" application resource to work on Garage Band for iPad/iPhone is a move to try to keep the sales of these portable devices strong even though Garage Band really has no serious practical application on those devices.

The FCP X release with promises to quickly bring it up to the feature set of FCP 7 just has not happened -- couple of updates for minor bug fixes, nothing more. What's even more discouraging is this: apple article that more or less says DON'T install FCP X if you have FCP 7 ... can you imagine the impact of existing LP 9 users if Apple do the same and tell everyone not to install LP X if you have LP 9 already on your primary HD. FCP X was not a "normal" cycle release process, far from it.

I really do want to "believe", but everything Apple have done recently clearly demonstrates and exit strategy from Pro applications and Pro hardware.

Fortunately LP 9 is pretty darn good, it could use a few new features, but it's stability on SL has been great. I'm in no rush to move to another product, but that can't last indefinitely, times do change, and other tools do progress.

Rob
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It always seems like that, especially to the pro market people. However, regardless it being released broken and gimped for the pro user, it still takes considerably more time and more resources to rebuild a program from the ground up, rather than build upon it. It would have been much easier and cheaper, had Apple just add on to FCP7 and make a version 8, but they didn't. They went out of their way to create something totally different. And through vocal criticisms around the industry, Apple went ahead and refunded dissatisfied customers, relaunched FCP 7 for sale, and even responded with a FAQ promising future updates (https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/29/apple-posts-final-cut-pro-x-faq-promises-updates/), which they have. That's a lot of response from a company who is super secret in nature and is supposedly drifting away from the pro market. This is why I believe Apple will not abandon Logic Pro or the pro market. That seems like an adequate amount of concern on their part.

robains said:
Personally I have no idea who would want to use iPad or iPhone or iPod to compose music ... maybe just a curiosity/gimmick to say "look what I can do" for the masses, but nothing anyone serious about music composition would consider a viable option. I use two 30" LCDs and plan to buy another 30" LCD so that I can work more efficiently with LP ... I can't image anyone working (efficiently) on a 1024 x 768 iPad or even worse 960 x 640 iPhone 4S.
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hectorlee said:
I see the iPad and iPhone app as more as a sketchpad to capture ideas. Beyond that, it really doesn't have that much professional use. If you really push it and add USB mics and MIDI interfaces to the iPad, You might as well use your regular rig.

But Apple is still accountable to the masses and needs to give them something and not alienate the masses. Music making is for the masses and they are simply giving them the tools to have fun.
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I agree with both of you. Robains, I can't imagine finishing a project on an iOS device, but I think hector nailed it. Use it as sketchpad for song writing ideas. Take your device with you on a trip and simply jot down any ideas that come up. Then later bring it home and take your idea to the next level in your home studio DAW. At $4.99 for a universal app, it's a great deal and I think a great companion for Logic. I just see their iOS apps as a further extension of the Apple ecosystem.
 
It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens at Nab -- LP pulse check.

I hadn't thought about using iOS Garage band as the "scratch pad" -- but I can see that ... successful TV/movies have been started on napkins while at a pub so I'm certain that artistic flare could be extended to music.

The only downside to extending the ecosystem to lure the masses is that other companies continue to progress their specific products. This introduces "behind the curve" releases which make it very difficult to "catch up" - leaving professionals looking at alternatives.

Yes, FCP X was re-written (to some degree) ... I doubt it was ground up, I'm sure there's a lot of code pulled from FCP 7 ... the core processing of video and audio and other aspects that are not UI (user interface) specific.

I wish we had access to the sales number for iOS Garage band, FCP, LP, and the Express version -- but I gotta wonder, with Apple's current financial resources why wouldn't they run parallel development teams if they are still in the "Pro" application business?

I guess we'll just have to wait see. Lets hope Apple hang onto LP as a "Pro" application. Fortunately music/audio creation doesn't seem to require the computational power beyond what one can get in the current iMac so even with the probable EOL of the MacPro hardware, audio/music seems safe from that perspective.
 
Logic doesn't make apple that much money...Logic sells macs. Apple is turning into a more consumer company and the pro customers wait longer and longer for refreshes. It's what happens to even major company. I think we'll see X when the new macs come out.

I wish apple weren't so closed/secretive and communicated with its customers about logic. They started with FCX but seems as though the audio customers are shunned. Even 3rd party devs are in the dark.

NAMM is looking like a good time of year.
 
musio said:
Logic doesn't make apple that much money...Logic sells macs. Apple is turning into a more consumer company and the pro customers wait longer and longer for refreshes. It's what happens to even major company. I think we'll see X when the new macs come out.

I wish apple weren't so closed/secretive and communicated with its customers about logic. They started with FCX but seems as though the audio customers are shunned. Even 3rd party devs are in the dark.

NAMM is looking like a good time of year.
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Not sure what you mean by that ... I can't think of any other company like Apple?? Who else produces the OS, the Hardware, and the Pro applications?

Agree that 3rd party are like "we don't know and we aren't preparing anything" ... this IS different than all prior releases of LP (in which the 3rd party was very active pre-release) which is exactly why I think LP X may not happen or it will be another feature simple product similar to FCP X.

I can understand Apple being secretive about key products for them, but as you pointed out LP and FCP aren't "key products" any more (tiny part of their revenue pie) so there is little point in the continued shroud of information around MacPro line and the Pro application line ... it's now at the point where the lack of information is just moving professionals away to alternatives. I don't see how this could be good for Apple? It would however make sense if Apple are planning to drop the "pro" line completely.

What's even more odd is that Apple don't hold any secrets about the next iOS version or the next OSX version, they're happy to pre-release information about their OS lineup and make it available to ADC members. Apple are very inconsistent.

Has Apple also considered that the lack of sales of MacPro and Pro applications could very well be a result of them NOT providing information to professionals? In other words, they're policy is backfiring and they can't see to come to terms with it ... to me, the lack of sales has a direct relationship to Apple's secrecy policy. Professionals can't just "roll dice" and see what Apple comes up with or not, their livelihood depends on a future road map of hardware and software. If the road map is clear on the Windows side or with other Pro applications, why would a professional risk the "unknown" with Apple? Apple execs seem completely blind to this reality.

I can see ultra secrecy around the highly competitive phone market, but not the "pro" line of hardware/applications.

Rob
 
robains said:
Has Apple also considered that the lack of sales of MacPro and Pro applications could very well be a result of them NOT providing information to professionals?
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What lack of sales? Almost all computers sold these days are laptops, Apple's Mac numbers bear this out, for most tasks modern laptops are more than adequate for whatever you want to do with them. Just because Apple is increasingly successful in the consumer market, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're losing in the professional space. To go a little off topic - when the iPods were last refreshed, it was widely assumed that because there was no mention of the iPod classic that it was going to be discontinued, wrong. Similarly the Mac Pro will be around for those of us that need them


BTW, many FCP X users are now realising that the FCP redesign is a definite improvement, people are scared of change that's all, this is normal.
 
hurtle said:
What lack of sales? Almost all computers sold these days are laptops, Apple's Mac numbers bear this out, for most tasks modern laptops are more than adequate for whatever you want to do with them. Just because Apple is increasingly successful in the consumer market, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're losing in the professional space. To go a little off topic - when the iPods were last refreshed, it was widely assumed that because there was no mention of the iPod classic that it was going to be discontinued, wrong. Similarly the Mac Pro will be around for those of us that need them


BTW, many FCP X users are now realising that the FCP redesign is a definite improvement, people are scared of change that's all, this is normal.
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Most people were not scared of change, but turned off by the removal of "critical" features. Any new version of any software will have some complaining about user interface changes, but FCP X was a little different I think.

Hopefully, an updated version of Logic will hit next year. We will probably wake up one morning and there it is. No warning.
 
hurtle said:
What lack of sales? Almost all computers sold these days are laptops, Apple's Mac numbers bear this out, for most tasks modern laptops are more than adequate for whatever you want to do with them. Just because Apple is increasingly successful in the consumer market, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're losing in the professional space. To go a little off topic - when the iPods were last refreshed, it was widely assumed that because there was no mention of the iPod classic that it was going to be discontinued, wrong. Similarly the Mac Pro will be around for those of us that need them


BTW, many FCP X users are now realising that the FCP redesign is a definite improvement, people are scared of change that's all, this is normal.
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I think you skipped over what I wrote ... I was specific to the lack of sales to the MacPro line and the Pro applications (FCP and LP) - NOT all Macs. I don't consider FCP X a "Pro" application, it's missing to much to meet the demands of professionals.

I beg to disagree on a Laptop being powerful enough, unless of course you like to wait and wait and wait for rendering to complete. Have you tried to do 5.1 surround on a Laptop? My experience was NOT so good, even worse when FX's were introduced (using the Standard LP FX not 3rd party).

The new iMac 27" 3.4Ghz i7 actually renders FCP 7 sequences faster than the 12 core MacPro ... that's because FCP 7 sequence renders are single core only.

Apple are losing the professional space -- I do know many professionals that are expanding to other companies because it is just too risky to put their "trust" in a single company like Apple.

Apple just aren't that interested in the professional space - their resource allocation and delivery cycle bare this out.

I stand by my statement that a Professional can NOT proceed with Apple if they are unable to determine a future in Apple's Pro applications and hardware. It's just NOT a smart thing for a Professional to do - one who makes a living from it.

And we could wake up one morning, two morning, one year, two years, three years and suddenly LP X appears ... looking very much like garage band Pro. This doesn't help a Professional at all.

But again, the execs at Apple seem unwilling to come to terms that it's their policy of secrecy around the future of their Pro hardware and Pro Applications which is the reason for declining sales. No professional wants to be tied to the "whim" of Apple, just too risky (gotta put food on the table and pay the mortgage).

No professional is scared of change, in fact, that's the very reason we seek newer versions of hardware and software ... we embrace change, we want change, we want to see our workflow improved, we want to be able to do more, we like to see tedious tasks automated.
 
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@robains

I was also referring to the Mac Pro, this is why I mentioned the fact that irrespective of the manufacturer, almost all computer sales these days are laptops, so the fact that (supposedly) Apple is not selling as many Mac Pros, is just part of a general trend.

Of course a laptop is not capable of every task, but for MOST users, it is sufficient. I am a Mac Pro user myself which I mainly use for Logic Studio, a few years back the Mac Pro was my only option, but I think my next Mac will be an iMac. My track count on Logic is usually quite low, 40 to 50 tracks, all my plug ins are native, no UAD plugs, modern iMacs have more than enough CPU power to handle my music. I know from other people that many musicians feel the same way.

Why are so many people convinced that Apple is dumbing down Logic? I know it's frustrating that there is no communication on updates etc, but as far as I am concerned Logic is much better now than when emagic were developing it, I'm optimistic about the future.
 
hurtle said:
@robains

I was also referring to the Mac Pro, this is why I mentioned the fact that irrespective of the manufacturer, almost all computer sales these days are laptops, so the fact that (supposedly) Apple is not selling as many Mac Pros, is just part of a general trend.

Of course a laptop is not capable of every task, but for MOST users, it is sufficient. I am a Mac Pro user myself which I mainly use for Logic Studio, a few years back the Mac Pro was my only option, but I think my next Mac will be an iMac. My track count on Logic is usually quite low, 40 to 50 tracks, all my plug ins are native, no UAD plugs, modern iMacs have more than enough CPU power to handle my music. I know from other people that many musicians feel the same way.

Why are so many people convinced that Apple is dumbing down Logic? I know it's frustrating that there is no communication on updates etc, but as far as I am concerned Logic is much better now than when emagic were developing it, I'm optimistic about the future.
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LP 9.x is a great product, still using it and still plan to use ... but not indefinitely. Many 3rd party tools don't work so well with LP 9 and these vendors don't appear to be in any rush to make it work with LP.

I'm in the process of diversifying my tools (using other platforms and products) so that all my eggs are not in one basket. Nobody knows if Apple is feature limiting the next version of Logic ... and that's exactly the problem, nobody knows, no information. An outdated policy that really has no place in the professional world and only hurts sales -- Pro market is just too small for this information policy to make any sense at all.

Agree, the new iMac 27" with i7 3.4Ghz can handle about 97% of the Audio I'd toss at it.

It's not a matter of frustration, it's a matter of preservation and staying on top of the changing times. I want information to help me make decisions, to plan, to even adjust workflow if future products would warrant ... NOT providing information has effectively made the decision for me.
 
I can't speculate as to when the release of logic 10 will be but I do hope that it will take a cue from native instruments or reason and give their software instruments a much more user-friendly facelift. Especially ES2 and Ultrabeat. I love both dearly but I think their front panel can be much easier to navigate and create from.
 
jmacnash said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=315610&stc=1&d=1323542584

This is what makes me think L10 is brewing.

Although, now that I think about it...does Apple sell any software in a physical box now?
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Link doesn't work?

If it happens it'll be App Store and require internet connection to validate the software authenticity. Sadly software theft is rampant -- even on the Mac side. What's even more disturbing is that "ordinary" people seem to think it's ok to steal software and think nothing of it. Hence, App Store.
 
.600 overkill said:
They might release it in a similar fashion to Native Instruments Komplete Ultimate..:confused: but that might be too expensive. It's not like they could fit it in a usb stick like they did with the OS bundled with the MBA.

Or better yet, all the samples will be in iCloud and it'll all work from there (just joking). That would make a nice "one more thing" for the end of a keynote haha :D
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Or even better yet your new Logic Pro X license and applecare tech support can vanish all together from anybody's app store accounts at any time without warning like the Redmatica Keymapone and the rest of the Redmatica software vanished and rip us off with their icloud vaporware.

Gearslutz_Apple to buy Redmatica
http://www.gearspace.com/board/music-computers/732762-apple-buy-redmatica-4.html

Tim Cook at D10 talks Siri, Apple, TV, following Steve Jobs and more - Pocket-lint
"Don't expect Apple to signal what companies they buy when they buy them, or indicate precisely what they're going to to with the products. At the D10 Conference last week Tim Cook said:

“We continue to buy companies,” he said. “They are not
ones we seek to make public." He later added that if he
doesn't have to announce it, he won't.

“We’re going to double down on secrecy on products,” Cook
continued

Also, I am sill dealing with the following online well documented issue since Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:49 am after Apple removed the xskey dongle. Logic Pro can possibly be routinely corrupting saved projects and files and destroy collaboration projects:

LogicProHelp_"Software instruments won't trigger"
http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=312139

I get no sound when I playback the EXS24 instrument
tracks. For some reason there is level showing for the master stereo
out for the EXS24 tracks and level showing in the arrange
window during playback and I can hear the keys and dragged notes in
the piano roll, but I can not hear the congas during playback. In solo
in the Arrange window I see signal in the track header, but I can not
hear anything or bounce anything out.

I really need to sort this out. I've trashed Logic Pro preferences and
the audiounit cache and restarted Logic Pro in 32 bit mode. Not fixed.
This is definitely a distraction killing the momentum and interfering
with my creativity vibe. I have reset my audio drivers swithing
between the MOTU 828mkII and the Mac Os 10.6.3 coreaudio drivers. I
have even tried disabling/enabling Universal Track Mode and applying
the changes in Audio Devices Core Audio in the Logic Pro preferences.
Still not fixed. I tried creating duplicates of the channel strip that
wasn't working, copying the midi information onto them, and deleted
the instruments that weren't playing back and this won't work for me.
I also tried moving the region, hit play. Then moved the region back,
hit play. Not fixed either. This keeps happening with my Macbook Pro
and my Mac Pro tower. I tried moving the region to a different channel
and importing everything into another project and and it didn't work
either. Also, I tried repairing my hard drive and repairing
permissions. Also tried, turning off track folders for MIDI tracks...
This is under "Project Settings" - "Recording", make sure "Track
Folders" is not selected. I also suspected there might be a program
change command or other midi controller data there that is screwing up
the AU playback. I inspected the Event List additional info and tried
changing all the channels to 1 and tried 3 for the EXS24 region midi
data events. As a workaround, I open it with piano editor and copy all
the notes there. I trashed it and create a new region and paste it
there. I tried going into my audio preferences and under the "core
audio" tab, uncheck "enabled" & apply, the recheck "enabled" and
apply. Also, I tried trashing Logic Pro preferences and audio units
cache and restarted and rescanned all of my plugins. I found the
following threads online to do with this. None of the advice is
helping. Do you have anymore suggestions to help solve this please?

Gearslutz_"An AU in Logic won't play back imported MIDI tracks -
anyone encountered this?"
http://www.gearspace.com/board/musi...-imported-midi-tracks-anyone-encountered.html

LogicProHelp_"Audio region won't playback in Arrange area"
http://50.97.101.201/~quud0nhp/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=75221

LogicProHelp_"Same problem - Instrument tracks stop playing"
http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55232&start=20

LogicProHelp_"SampleTank won't play my MIDI regions [SOLVED"
https://logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=82982

MacProVideo_Troubleshooting 101: No Audio Output from Logic? No problem!
http://www.macprovideo.com/hub/logic-pro/troubleshooting-logic-101-hear-audio-heres
 
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Well, we can only hope that Apple really puts some effort into the next version of Logic to improve the work flow and raise the bar a little for what a DAW is capable of.

Bug fixes and new "useful" features are always welcome but Apple needs to really set some new standard because the DAW market is insanely convoluted and fragmented. A DAW should not take forever to learn with elusive features that users may never discover.

We all still want a powerful, professional tool but I think you can have that and it still be user friendly. Apple did just this with the introduction of the Mac and it's OS in 1984.

Here's hoping.
 
i hope for less consumer/prosumer related junk, and more pro features that help workflow.

something like DP's 'chunks' should have been in version 7... and we keep waiting. something so simple would save HOURS of headaches.
 
fastlanephil said:
Metro 6 has 'sections ' which can be a full sequence. It's had this feature for many years.
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I'm not keen to learn a new sequencer at this point... if i am i'm going to jump to DP.

I'd rather apple pay attention to the (what I assume) are a deluge of emails asking for specific professional things. emagic used to be great for this.
 
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