That struck me as very odd.. Including tilt sensitivity but NOT pressure makes it.. Pretty unique?No mention of pressure sensitivity.
It doesn’t.
That’s Logitech’s proprietary connector. Apple’s has only 3 pins/contacts.
That’s Logitech’s proprietary connector. Apple’s has only 3 pins/contacts.
I hope they never enable iPhone support. It would be a tragic day.Agree, would be good for artists as well as others.
[doublepost=1522167099][/doublepost]Just need to update the iPad Mini now... maybe someday never.
And the iPhone too, so that a new Plus sized one could allow note taking, perhaps with a smaller pencil from a third party vendor.
Guy above answered it in more details. The main case draws directly from Lightning, which is piggybacked to this port onto the KB part.Interesting since it says it says it’s sources its power directly from the iPad.
I'd consider this if I knew how to integrate this into my four year old daughter's preschool learning/elementary prep without her becoming addicted to it. She uses an old iPad Mini that we have lying around. I bought one of those chunky foam protective cases for it—you know, the kind with a handle that is brightly colored. And I only let her use it 30-60 minutes one day per week, usually on the weekend unless we're traveling far in a car or on a plane. Every single time it's a meltdown when it's time to put the iPad away. I've only got some educational apps/games and drawing/music apps on it as well. She's always really well behaved and doesn't act like this with anything else but the iPad. It's so addicting. Not sure what to do. If she was a lot older I'd just buy her a 13" MacBook Pro which is a lot better for getting work done. I'm not sold about the iPad being the future of education.
Guy above answered it in more details. The main case draws directly from Lightning, which is piggybacked to this port onto the KB part.
Shows right in the image you provided. "Keyboard for Rugged Case" It's part of the RUGGED COMBO. Also in the image you provided. Here's more info for you. Directly from Logitech.Interesting since it says it says it’s sources its power directly from the iPad.
Doesn’t look like the Crayon is pressure sensitive. Also, is it ONLY available for schools?
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/crayon?crid=1822
Based on the new updates to the Apple website, no this new iPad does not have the smart connector. This is more of an iPad Plus. Which is a pretty good deal IMO.
I would use the ipad as a reward. Cleaned your room? 20 min ipad. Put you towel on the rack? 5 min. Just have a list of 2-4 things and make sure it can’t add up to more than xx minutes a day.It sounds like the concern should be the apps that your daughter uses on the iPad, not the iPad itself. If she’s learning, exploring apps with an educational value, then that’s a good thing to be “addicted” to. I have a kid in my family who always has his head buried in a book. Why dissuade that?
If you want to get your daughter outside, get AR apps that’ll help her learn about the world around her.
If you’re concerned that she’s isolating herself from others, then join her in learning with the iPad.
It doesn’t.
The keyboard attaches to the Rugged 2 case which connects to the iPad lightning connector. The case even has a pass through port so you can charge the iPad without taking it out.
The problem is she does do that all week. She has toy cars, a dollhouse, dinosaurs, and kid's games. But if she gets a screen in front of her for more than a few minutes she throws a fit if it's taken away. Even if I need to grab it to change some setting like volume, brightness or whatever. It's crazy. She hardly uses it at all. We took an 8 month break between vacations until we let her use it again recently when we went on another vacation and she was nearly as bad. I think she needs to be a little older so she can better understand the rules and why her behavior is negatively impacting her ability to use the iPad.I've started playing "old school" games with my son (5) -- Uno, Old Maid, Go Fish, Chutes & Ladders, etc. No screens during the week, and he earns screen time for the weekend. After a couple of days, he was back to his normal self -- waking up and coloring, playing with Hot Wheels, etc. and not raging for a screen.
As Steve Jobs told "The New York Times" about the iPad: "“They haven’t used it. We limit how much technology our kids use at home.”
Ok just read that detail.
Logitech should sell the keyboard/port adapter separately or at least explore that type of product. Might be something there.
[doublepost=1522195463][/doublepost]Anyone really think that this setup plus the crayon isn't going to end up costing at least $200 altogether?
Their slim combo, which is a similar set up as this rugged combo, is $129 for the 10.5 ipad pro.
OOPS just saw it'll cost $99 lol.
Not a bad price for an adult(maybe even a college student...maybe) looking for this type of set up but for a student, k-12, I'd really explore my other options.
Or you could get something like this for around $50.
I still think apple should've included some type of keyboard at this price with this ipad if they really want to get the attention of an education system.
https://www.amazon.com/Valkit-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Protective-Shockproof/dp/B07488DXMY/ref=sr_1_114?s=pc&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1522194174&sr=1-114&keywords=ipad+keyboard+case+9.7&refinements=p_85:2470955011
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What changes do you think it needs? (Better battery? Black color?)So no changes to Apple Pencil. That stinks.
Personally I’d want it smaller, doesn’t require plug in to reacquire bluetooth (even though it takes -2 seconds) after every charge, get rid of the connector, wireless charge.What changes do you think it needs? (Better battery? Black color?)
So the ignorant Apple employees did not know there was a product made by a third party that us available through another supply chain outside of retail?last week i was at apple store in tukwila, wa, and everyone i asked at the store even the lead apple genius knew nothing about logitech rugged keyboard case or crayon. they looked at me like i was crazy until i showed them on the logitech site that yes these things do exist and yes they can only be purchased through apple for education program.
most of the confusion, even after ignorance subsides, is the concept that a 3rd party branded product is only available through apple for education.
my kids are animals i’m lucky if the 6th gen ipad i bought them lasts six months before the screen cracks with the logitech non-rugged keyboard case, which offers zero screen protection while propped up and in use.
yes i expect someone who is paid to represent apple’s brand as a retail employee would spend a minimum amount of time researching apple news outside of retail.So the ignorant Apple employees did not know there was a product made by a third party that us available through another supply chain outside of retail?
one of the reasons the logitech rugged keyboard case exists is because children are children. even a well behaved child is constantly growing and so has trouble with hand-eye coordination making them inadvertently clumsy. i got my daughter a regular apple pencil and the decidedly non-rugged logitech ipad keyboard case. i was in the market for the rugged keyboard case not the crayon.Goo luck finding those crayons for your behaved kids.
yes i expect someone who is paid to represent apple’s brand as a retail employee would spend a minimum amount of time researching apple news outside of retail.
one of the reasons the logitech rugged keyboard case exists is because children are children. even a well behaved child is constantly growing and so has trouble with hand-eye coordination making them inadvertently clumsy. i got my daughter a regular apple pencil and the decidedly non-rugged logitech ipad keyboard case. i was in the market for the rugged keyboard case not the crayon.
serenity caldwell has mentioned some confusion over this as well on john gruber’s podcast and brief twitter discussion.
https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2018/04/01/ep-218
https://mobile.twitter.com/settern/status/978686527927652352
i’m an engineer for a living who does not work for apple my general perception is i shouldn’t know more about apple than the head genius of any apple store. maybe you are saying that is a poor assumption? maybe for anyone else working at the store, not the head genius. i’ll continue to marinate in my prejudices. it also says something that the apple retail employees knew alot about every other logitech product for iphone and ipad including the equivalent consumer-facing non-rugged ipad case. that is one of the reasons i hold them up to a higher standard to know about the rugged case and crayon. apple does not make a keyboard case for regular non-pro ipad, rugged or non-rugged, and the ones apple recommend the most are by logitech.
at least the employees know about it now lol. they did already know about apple for education program, but they were previously under the impression the only products available under the program were 1st party apple branded. hence the confusion. the confusion has nothing to do with the difference between apple retail and apple for education. the confusion has to do with a recent change by apple of their policies for apple for education. i’m placing more blame on apple here, less blame on the apple store employees. i think eventually this will work itself out, it is only a small issue.
It sounds like the concern should be the apps that your daughter uses on the iPad, not the iPad itself. If she’s learning, exploring apps with an educational value, then that’s a good thing to be “addicted” to. I have a kid in my family who always has his head buried in a book. Why dissuade that?
If you want to get your daughter outside, get AR apps that’ll help her learn about the world around her.
If you’re concerned that she’s isolating herself from others, then join her in learning with the iPad.
Yes I watched the keynote. Yes I know the process for education to make purchases through Apple for Education. It was already quite clear from your previous response none of this is through the regular retail channels, but again I already knew that. I don’t think you read my full response. In addition to watching the keynote, I listened through about four different podcasts covering the keynote, which I mentioned at least one of in my previous response (a podcast in which both host and guest were at the keynote).If you watched the keynote then you would have known the item was part of the teachers keynote where they mentioned how it was going to made available.