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Logitech Announces $49 Crayon Stylus and $99 Rugged Combo 2 Case for 9.7-Inch iPad
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That struck me as very odd.. Including tilt sensitivity but NOT pressure makes it.. Pretty unique?
If you can have one of these paired at the same time as a normal apple pencil I can see some artists having a use for both.
It doesn’t.
The keyboard attaches to the Rugged 2 case which connects to the iPad lightning connector. The case even has a pass through port so you can charge the iPad without taking it out.
Guy above answered it in more details. The main case draws directly from Lightning, which is piggybacked to this port onto the KB part.
It sounds like the concern should be the apps that your daughter uses on the iPad, not the iPad itself. If she’s learning, exploring apps with an educational value, then that’s a good thing to be “addicted” to. I have a kid in my family who always has his head buried in a book. Why dissuade that?
If you want to get your daughter outside, get AR apps that’ll help her learn about the world around her.
If you’re concerned that she’s isolating herself from others, then join her in learning with the iPad.
What a crazy workaround.
Reminds me of those wireless charging qi pads that connect to the lighting port.
This actually would be a solid platform for a lot more “smart” keyboards to be added to older iPads.
Shows right in the image you provided. "Keyboard for Rugged Case" It's part of the RUGGED COMBO. Also in the image you provided. Here's more info for you. Directly from Logitech.
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iPad Plus would have been a good marketing ploy to name this device....so people would think it's different. Still Apple is not thinking as usual......
I would use the ipad as a reward. Cleaned your room? 20 min ipad. Put you towel on the rack? 5 min. Just have a list of 2-4 things and make sure it can’t add up to more than xx minutes a day.
Ok just read that detail.
Logitech should sell the keyboard/port adapter separately or at least explore that type of product. Might be something there.
[doublepost=1522195463][/doublepost]Anyone really think that this setup plus the crayon isn't going to end up costing at least $200 altogether?
Their slim combo, which is a similar set up as this rugged combo, is $129 for the 10.5 ipad pro.
OOPS just saw it'll cost $99 lol.
Not a bad price for an adult(maybe even a college student...maybe) looking for this type of set up but for a student, k-12, I'd really explore my other options.
Or you could get something like this for around $50.
I still think apple should've included some type of keyboard at this price with this ipad if they really want to get the attention of an education system.
https://www.amazon.com/Valkit-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Protective-Shockproof/dp/B07488DXMY/ref=sr_1_114?s=pc&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1522194174&sr=1-114&keywords=ipad+keyboard+case+9.7&refinements=p_85:2470955011
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The problem is she does do that all week. She has toy cars, a dollhouse, dinosaurs, and kid's games. But if she gets a screen in front of her for more than a few minutes she throws a fit if it's taken away. Even if I need to grab it to change some setting like volume, brightness or whatever. It's crazy. She hardly uses it at all. We took an 8 month break between vacations until we let her use it again recently when we went on another vacation and she was nearly as bad. I think she needs to be a little older so she can better understand the rules and why her behavior is negatively impacting her ability to use the iPad.
The issue is that in this environment, there MUST be a wired connection for the keyboard. The standardised test environment prohibits wireless connections so the keyboards have to be physically connected. Bluetooth ones are not allowed. This case is basically a way to make the smart connector without having to build it into the iPad.
It’s still crazy expensive though. The whole event seemed to be Apple saying “look how creative you can be if your school can afford our stuff.” Everything they showed was very cool and creative but unless you’re in a really high-end school it’s not going to be available to everyone. The iPad as is is too expensive and too fragile to give to kids. The movement to Chromebooks isn’t because it’s the best solution, it’s because it’s good enough at a much lower price and they’re much easier to manage en masse.
Working in Apple retail for over ten years, the education sales started to drop after they discontinued the white unibody MacBook. That thing was a tank, was easy to repair, more than powerful enough and the teaching staff understood them.
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What changes do you think it needs? (Better battery? Black color?)
Personally I’d want it smaller, doesn’t require plug in to reacquire bluetooth (even though it takes -2 seconds) after every charge, get rid of the connector, wireless charge.
last week i was at apple store in tukwila, wa, and everyone i asked at the store even the lead apple genius knew nothing about logitech rugged keyboard case or crayon. they looked at me like i was crazy until i showed them on the logitech site that yes these things do exist and yes they can only be purchased through apple for education program.
most of the confusion, even after ignorance subsides, is the concept that a 3rd party branded product is only available through apple for education.
my kids are animals i’m lucky if the 6th gen ipad i bought them lasts six months before the screen cracks with the logitech non-rugged keyboard case, which offers zero screen protection while propped up and in use.
most of the confusion, even after ignorance subsides, is the concept that a 3rd party branded product is only available through apple for education.
my kids are animals i’m lucky if the 6th gen ipad i bought them lasts six months before the screen cracks with the logitech non-rugged keyboard case, which offers zero screen protection while propped up and in use.
So the ignorant Apple employees did not know there was a product made by a third party that us available through another supply chain outside of retail?
I was shocked That the employees at Apple weren’t familiar with the refurbed pricing or the details of the next iPhone.
Goo luck finding those crayons for your behaved kids.
yes i expect someone who is paid to represent apple’s brand as a retail employee would spend a minimum amount of time researching apple news outside of retail.
one of the reasons the logitech rugged keyboard case exists is because children are children. even a well behaved child is constantly growing and so has trouble with hand-eye coordination making them inadvertently clumsy. i got my daughter a regular apple pencil and the decidedly non-rugged logitech ipad keyboard case. i was in the market for the rugged keyboard case not the crayon.
serenity caldwell has mentioned some confusion over this as well on john gruber’s podcast and brief twitter discussion.
https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2018/04/01/ep-218
https://mobile.twitter.com/settern/status/978686527927652352
i’m an engineer for a living who does not work for apple my general perception is i shouldn’t know more about apple than the head genius of any apple store. maybe you are saying that is a poor assumption? maybe for anyone else working at the store, not the head genius. i’ll continue to marinate in my prejudices. it also says something that the apple retail employees knew alot about every other logitech product for iphone and ipad including the equivalent consumer-facing non-rugged ipad case. that is one of the reasons i hold them up to a higher standard to know about the rugged case and crayon. apple does not make a keyboard case for regular non-pro ipad, rugged or non-rugged, and the ones apple recommend the most are by logitech.
at least the employees know about it now lol. they did already know about apple for education program, but they were previously under the impression the only products available under the program were 1st party apple branded. hence the confusion. the confusion has nothing to do with the difference between apple retail and apple for education. the confusion has to do with a recent change by apple of their policies for apple for education. i’m placing more blame on apple here, less blame on the apple store employees. i think eventually this will work itself out, it is only a small issue.
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You expect an apple retail person to research apple ventures outside the retail space. Those employees are not told about new products until the night before they hit the floor or hear it on the keynote. They have no insider information.
You think those in the store want to spend their personal time learning about all the other gadgets about the 3rd party accessories offer. Would you expect an amazon chat person to offer you AWS information.
Blame apple for what? The item isn't part of the retail merchandise. Having friends that work at apple they are busy enough dealing with the constant changes in the store and the products they carry.
Imagine if your boss expected you to know the all happenings of other departments of the company.
Most with an apple shirt are not a techno-geek but know quite a bit. They are paid better than most retail but surely not as much as an engineer. You need to get over yourself and your expectation of someone making probably a 1/3 of what you make to know everything about everything when it comes to the world of apple. and what 3rd party companies are selling.
Go to logitech, belkin and many other 3rd party sites and look and see how many different accessories there are. You expect someone to know them all?
Good on you for knowing about the Crayola pencil. If you watched the keynote then you would have known the item was part of the teachers keynote where they mentioned how it was going to made available.
Here is how to get one. Note: it says NOTHING about retail stores.
http://news.logitech.com/press-rele...yon-ipad-designed-student-creativity-classroo
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Another thing I am seeing in parks is pokemon go groups and drawing on the ipad. As one parent put it, digital painting.
Yes I watched the keynote. Yes I know the process for education to make purchases through Apple for Education. It was already quite clear from your previous response none of this is through the regular retail channels, but again I already knew that. I don’t think you read my full response. In addition to watching the keynote, I listened through about four different podcasts covering the keynote, which I mentioned at least one of in my previous response (a podcast in which both host and guest were at the keynote).
The lead Apple genius knew about the Apple for Education program and vaguely knew about the Apple keynote which was school and teacher-focused. How am I the one giving Apple and Apple employees more credit than you are? I am allowed to have a criticism of Apple. I’m not just dinging them I have good things to say too.
I am deeply immersed in most aspects going on at the startup company I work at. I do things far beyond my official duties and responsibilities. And I keep up do date with news for some of the larger tech companies, such as Microsoft, Google, and Apple. Some smaller ones like Oculus, Valve, Leap Motion.
You are rehashing the same argument. You haven’t added anything to the discussion. We disagree. We can agree to disagree. But repeating the same thing over and over isn’t going to change my mind, it isn’t going to make my opinion any less meaningful. We can disagree and not change our minds and still have a reasonable respectful debate. You can see what I am up to on other threads to understand the depth of my involvement with Apple and Apple products. Both our opinions are important. They both matter equally.
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