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Not all Dells are created equal. I dont know why people are trying to compare some random dell to another random dell, especially ones at school. If I judged computers based on the ones at school then I would assume all Macs give virtual memory errors when trying to open Photoshop and take 8 minutes to boot or simply wont accept your login information. And old Gateways wouldnt be any better, they dont give virtual memory errors everytime you sneeze but they are hell to boot on the network. There are many factors that slow down work and school computers that have nothing to do with the computers themselves. Plus school computers are proof that you can slow a mac to a crawling agonizing pace which can only be fixed by a reinstall, they are not immune to idiocy.

You are not guranteed to suffer from viruses and adware if you use Windows either. If you dont go to shady porn and warez sites then the chances are high that you will never see a virus or vicious malware ever. I have not come across a regular website in years that has tried to get me to install adware since its so bad for business these days. Google toolbar is the only program that seems to try to install itself in freeware and on websites, its hardly harmful to your computer. This isnt 2003 anymore, that stuff isnt anywhere near as rampant as it used to be. Plus theres always FF since 99% of problems for Windows originate from your browser, IE7 isnt nearly as insecure as IE6 though.
 
omg what a bunch of haters. if he wants to go back to pc's let him. why are you all so offended lol.
 
Dude(ette), you are not making sense. But that's ok as long as you are doing this on a Mac 😀

Well your one of those people that I can't help. It can't get any clearer.

omg what a bunch of haters. if he wants to go back to pc's let him. why are you all so offended lol.

He is on MACrumors, I think he said that just to stir up trouble and he's really faking it.
 
All I know is, my 2-year-old G4 with a 2-year-old Tiger install is noticeably more responsive than a 6-month old PC with a 6-month-old XP install and vastly superior hardware. Maybe the Mac isn't as fast as it was out of the box, but the slowdown is nothing like what happened to the PC.

I have to agree with this. My 1GHz PB 12" with 512mb RAM (from 2003) boots up faster than the supposedly faster Wintel machines that my friends have (which have faster Pentium 4 clocks and more memory. It is still running 10.3.9. My friends, otoh, have re-installed their XP OS a few times and are still running MUCH slower start-up times.
 
The thing I don't understand is why don't people just build their own computer with parts from newegg.com. Excuses like its too hard do not fly either. It is rather simple and it takes no longer then 30 mins to an hour to set it up.
 
The thing I don't understand is why don't people just build their own computer with parts from newegg.com. Excuses like its too hard do not fly either. It is rather simple and it takes no longer then 30 mins to an hour to set it up.
that is what I do, I love building new computers.
you REINSTALL THE OS because you think its EASIER than CLICKING A BUTTON!?
Who said it was because I don't want to click a button? It's because I don't have to download a gazillion updates...it's like being on 10.4.8 and wanting to upgrade to 10.4.10 but you have so much cruft on there you might as well erase the current install and install one with .10 on there because you don't want to grab the hundreds of megabytes of upgrades when an install disk with slipstreamed updates is smaller.

It only takes ~15 minutes or so. Far from painful. Reinstalling my apps takes a few hours, but I always do other things during then, and it's not much of a big deal.
Sorry, but saving $300 to own a computer thats going to be crap in a few years is garbage. Yeah, yeah, you can upgrade it, but the money starts tacking on if you do your upgrades as new options come available.
Ahem, no. My Mac mini is already turning into crap right now after what, a year?, and I'm going to be eyeing a Mac Pro upgrade after the next big update or two. Besides, I've upgraded all my Macs in terms of memory and hard drives, and I'm sick of it. ADC hardware discounts ftw!
The iMac is a perfect mid-range, let me see the specs and the price you want for a mid-range mac. AND THIS IS FOR EVERYBODy... GET A JOB!!! a good job like $10 an hour, that way you can buy un-beatable products. 🙂
The iMac is no ****ing midrange tower. I already said, I want a tower with specs similar to if not better than the iMac's at thet same price if not lower. I don't need the preposterous built in display or the ugly design (yes, it's really ugly).

I can afford to get a Mac Pro, I'm just waiting for updates.
 
Seriously, back to the issue at hand...which is😕😕😕

OP, sorry you had to go back to Dell. Tell us how it works out for you. I have a funny feeling that Vista is going to be a nightmare for you. Sorry, just what I've seen and heard from many people.
 
AT work I use a new pc kitted out with an AMD Athlor 64x2Dual
Core processor, 4800, 250 GHz, 2 GB RAM. At home I have a G4 powerbook 1GHz and although it is slower than the PC I work with I don't have the problems I have with the pc.
As a photographer I work mostly with CS2 and yes it is faster than my G4 butit being new it took about 3 weeks to get it up and running without any hiccups, like getting the network printers running. It got to the point where I couldn't clean the inkjets from my pc so I unplugged the printer and plugged it into the MacPro (video work stations in the office) to clean the printer.
It's just been a hassle getting them to work but now that they're good its no problem now.

At least with the G4 they just keep on working no fussing around.
 
The thing I don't understand is why don't people just build their own computer with parts from newegg.com. Excuses like its too hard do not fly either. It is rather simple and it takes no longer then 30 mins to an hour to set it up.

Hmm... sounds cool, but can you install Mac os X on it? Even if not I would like to give that try.
 
Wow!

😱Just want to say, good price on the machine!!!!!!😱 I tried to spec a similar machine on dells small business web site, and came up with around $1600 including the monitor (I did give you a combo drive up from the stock cdrom). I don't doubt you will be happy with this computer, you got quite the deal there. I think I can probably say this was definitely the way to go for you. If the OS wasn't something you were using, and you had licenses for both operating systems for adobe, you got quite the machine there. Congrats and have fun with it.
 
Here, MacWorld just posted this (Rob Griffiths is a mac lover just like me):
Oh and I can't believe this topic hasn't been locked!

What computer should I buy?
By Rob Griffiths

Joe: I’m in the market for a new computer. Any suggestions?

Jane: Buy a Mac.

Joe: But wait; I haven’t told you anything about my requirements!

Jane: Ah, yes, you’re right. Sorry about that. Are you a hard-core gamer who needs the absolute latest in system and video card hardware?

Joe: No, not at all.

Jane: OK. Do you enjoy building your own computers, taking them apart, putting them together, replacing parts, and that kind of thing?

Joe: No, not at all.

Jane: OK, do you use any software or hardware has any sort of strange hardware requirements, like an ancient serial port security dongle, for instance?

Joe: No, not at all.

Jane: OK. Buy a Mac.

Joe: But wait. You haven’t asked me about which operating system I want to use!

Jane: It doesn’t matter. Buy a Mac.

Joe: But I hate OS X.

Jane: It doesn’t matter. Buy a Mac.

Joe: You’re saying I can buy a Mac and run Windows XP or Vista natively, not through something like Parallels?

Jane: Yes.

Joe: But what if I really want to run Linux instead?

Jane: Buy a Mac.

Joe: Wait, you’re telling me I can run Linux natively, too? Windows, Linux, and the Mac OS can all run natively, all on the same machine?

Jane: Yes, though if you want all three to be installed and bootable on one machine, well, that requires some work.

Joe: Holy cow. So the Mac is literally the Rosetta Stone of computing!

Jane: Yes. Buy a Mac.

Though the above conversation is obviously a work of fiction, the basic points of the discussion are completely true. If you want to purchase a machine today that natively supports all three of the major operating system types, then a Mac is your only choice. And for most people, I would argue that it’s probably the right choice—even if they are avowed haters of OS X. In addition to the Intel-based Macs’ ability to run any of the major operating systems, consider what else you get when you choose to buy a Mac:

* Simplified purchasing: When you buy, for example, a Dell, you have about 3.5 million different machines to pick from, or so it seems. You also have to check two stores (home and business) to make sure one isn’t offering a better deal than the other. Depending on which day you choose to shop, you may be offered a discount on certain parts. Or you may not. In some ways, it’s like playing the lottery; there are even Web sites, such as this one, that help you find the various discount offers.

Contrast that with the Mac buying experience: there are but five machines, three desktop and two portable, to pick from: mini, iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook, and MacBook Pro. Prices are simple, and any discounted machines (because they’re refurbished returns) are clearly shown in their own area of the store.
* Wonderful industrial design: From the Mac Pro to the mini to the iMac to the MacBook and MacBook Pros, all of Apple’s machines are well designed, both outside and in (though I so wish the MacBook Pro had the MacBook’s easy-to-replace hard drive!). The portable Macs are thinner and lighter than their direct competitors, and the desktop machines are full of well thought out features, yet never feel like they’re festooned with ports and buttons. You won’t find any neon glowing lights, flashing LEDs, or green-text LCD status indicators on a Mac; the glowing sleep light is about as flashy as they get.
* Well equipped for the money: USB, FireWire, AirPort, Bluetooth, 10/100/1000 Ethernet—on many PCs, features like these are add-ons and will cost you extra money. With the move to Intel, the “but they’re so expensive” argument has finally gone away; similarly-configured Macs and PCs are now very price competitive. (The exception is at the entry level, where you can get a throwaway PC for much less than even a Mac mini. Of course, after using it for a few days, you may actually wish to throw it away.)
* Support for the iPhone: If you’re a Linux user, and you wish to use an iPhone, you’ll need either a Windows or OS X PC; the iPhone will not work with Linux. Since you’ll need one anyway, you might as well purchase a Mac, set it up for triple booting, and then boot into OS X when you need the work with the iPhone.
* Easy path for switchers: For anyone contemplating switching to the Mac and OS X full time, starting with a Mac makes it a very easy transition. Buy a Mac, install Boot Camp, and use it as a Windows box at first. When you have some spare time, reboot into OS X and start using the system and its applications. As OS X starts to feel more comfortable, spend more time there, using Parallels to run Windows applications as necessary, and rebooting into Windows when you absolutely must. Over time, if you’re enjoying OS X, you’ll find yourself spending all your time there, with Parallels at the ready for those cannot-be-replaced Windows applications. If you end up hating OS X, you’re not out of luck—you’ve still got a very fast and capable Windows machine!

As noted in the fictitious conversation above, I really don’t think the Mac is right for everyone. Those who love to build their own machines, for instance, will never be happy with a Mac. Similarly, hard core gamers will find even the Mac Pro lacking for their needs—it can’t, for instance, use two 3D-accelerated video cards in parallel to accelerate screen drawing times.

But for nearly everyone else, I’m finding it hard to recommend purchasing anything other than a Mac. Between the Mac’s strong feature set, its great industrial design, and its ability to natively boot the three major operating systems, it really does make the most sense. What do you think? Is a Mac a good recommendation for nearly any potential buyer?
 
I have several Dell's at work (desktops) and a few co workers have Dell laptops...I feel sorry for our poster. They have the cheapest build and slowest boot of any current computer I have used. That's why I installed Parallels on my Mac, which of course is fast and responsive.
 
For Dell selling apparently and exactly 3.5 million, well, thats obviously a lie. They actually have pre-configured systems just like Apple, where you can then configure it further. Apple is exactly the same, how many different options can you go with the Mac Pro? Almost a few thousand if find EVERY possible configuration that it allows. Dell obviously has more, but thats simply because they cater to alot more types of consumers, from Business, to the people like you and I, to the extreme hardcore gamers. Apple? Just you and I. Its not wonder they have less configurations and less options to customize.

The iPhone and the Triple booting thing is totally retarded. With virtualization becoming a much more consumer product, and the ability to run much more efficiently then the first generation of the technology, there is ABSOLUTELY no need to do this. Virtualization is much more time efficient then rebooting everytime you need to do something in another OS.

As for the Macs being more expensive... actually it still is. Since there is no real comparison you can make with the Mac Pro (dual CPUs) from Dell, I took the highest grade from the Laptops.

I took the Inspiron 1710 w/HD Display vs the 17'' MBP w/HD display. Both have the HD Display because the Dell didnt hav ethe 1680x1050 display. The result? At the SAME EXACT components in each, the MBP came in at a hefty $2900 while the Dell came in at $2020! Apple is $880 more expensive! By what you were saying before, not even the apparently $600 (even though it retails for $80) iLife can explain the 880 completely.




I cant believe Im actually defending Dell, but honestly...
 
I took the Inspiron 1710 w/HD Display vs the 17'' MBP w/HD display. Both have the HD Display because the Dell didnt hav ethe 1680x1050 display. The result? At the SAME EXACT components in each, the MBP came in at a hefty $2900 while the Dell came in at $2020! Apple is $880 more expensive! By what you were saying before, not even the apparently $600 (even though it retails for $80) iLife can explain the 880 completely.

The other $220 Is the price you pay for pristine quality and looks.
 
As for the Macs being more expensive... actually it still is. Since there is no real comparison you can make with the Mac Pro (dual CPUs) from Dell, I took the highest grade from the Laptops.

I took the Inspiron 1710 w/HD Display vs the 17'' MBP w/HD display. Both have the HD Display because the Dell didnt hav ethe 1680x1050 display. The result? At the SAME EXACT components in each, the MBP came in at a hefty $2900 while the Dell came in at $2020! Apple is $880 more expensive! By what you were saying before, not even the apparently $600 (even though it retails for $80) iLife can explain the 880 completely.


Can you link the laptop from dell, and Apple?(I know the Apple one, Dell is the one I want to see)
 
I have several Dell's at work (desktops) and a few co workers have Dell laptops...I feel sorry for our poster. They have the cheapest build and slowest boot of any current computer I have used...

Same here. We have a "Dell-only" edict that's been in place for a good 5 years now and ~3 years ago, we went through a bit of hell to buy IBM T41p laptops rather than another crop of Dells. We were successful then, but they've since tightened up the rules even further. The good news is that the IBMs have lasted on average twice as long as the Dell notebooks, so our arguement about paying for quality & ROI has been vindicated.


In regards to the OP's comment about his computer utilization, I'm not particularly sympathetic to the observation that a new computer is more powerful than one from 4+ years ago...this one is a no-brainer regardless of which OS one chooses to run, since as per Moore's Law, a new PC today should be expected to have 4x the power.

The only thing that stood out for me was the OP's comment of 'heavy duty Photoshop'.

A couple of comments:

1) It is only natural that regardless of what one uses (I'm currently on a 1st Generation G5) what one initially considers to be "adequate" or even "good" changes over time as one pushes boundaries.

For example, yesterday's photos were typically a 4MP JPEG, but today's dSLR is an 8MP RAW, which sucks up quite a bit more power...classical scope creep, which can lead to disappointment when we fail to account for our changes in expectations because the extra power of a new system made the old stuff fly by.

2) Since the OP is working in Photoshop, hope that he has all of his ducks lined up in Windows for the issue of Color Management. OS X has a significant advantage here, and this might not bite the OP until he tries to make some hardcopy printouts, etc.

FWIW, I have been feeling the 'pinch' on my own home system and have been thinking about upgrades-vs- replacement. However, much of this is that the machine has become loaded up over the past few years and I'm working with bigger image files, so it could benefit from more RAM, but more importantly, I'm just about out of Hard Disk space ... again. I currently have around 95% filled of 400GB, since it turns out that digital photography is very quick to fill up space: a quick weekend project can easily eat up 5GB, and last year's big vacation trip blew through another 40GB.

My general thoughts have been to buy a new Mac, but to also keep this Mac to set it up as a dedicated workstation to begin to do batch conversions of a ton of film: I'll need to average ~1000 per month in order for it to be less than a two year project. After that, I'll stick it in a closet as Network Attached Storage (NAS) to keep general access available, plus probably also a network destination for the laptops to make their timemachine backups to.


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Here, MacWorld just posted this (Rob Griffiths is a mac lover just like me):
Oh and I can't believe this topic hasn't been locked!
[...] What do you think? Is a Mac a good recommendation for nearly any potential buyer?

see? when you try you can present reasonable points.

one comment though: at some point you state that the Mac products are good value at their price point, and everything below the Mac entry level are rubbish. I agree with the first part, but have to disagree with the end and that's where this whole thread started.

I just had a look at HP store and it is possible to get a desktop that is better spec-for-spec than the iMac for some US$100 less. unless you have some very good reason to call this HP Pavilion rubbish, I have to say that not all computers sold for less than US$999 are throw-away material.
 
see? when you try you can present reasonable points.

one comment though: at some point you state that the Mac products are good value at their price point, and everything below the Mac entry level are rubbish. I agree with the first part, but have to disagree with the end and that's where this whole thread started.

I just had a look at HP store and it is possible to get a desktop that is better spec-for-spec than the iMac for some US$100 less. unless you have some very good reason to call this HP Pavilion rubbish, I have to say that not all computers sold for less than US$999 are throw-away material.

Ah fella, look at the difference... one looks like it came from hell the other... Heaven. Another words I would pay $100 more for better looks.
(Thank you Mac fan's for supporting me)
 
Yep, Click Here

Base price is 1119 without upgrading to the Apple specs.

Thats is a deal, hardware wise. However it lacks things like free Remote, iLife '06, Magsafe charger, Wireless N.

The hardware is cheaper then a MacBook Pro, but the MBP has some nice little extras. It is smaller, my friends had that model(I think) and it was a monster, huge!! (Also he had some problems with it, wireless wouldn't work, harddrive died, he sent it in, and it came back, and the DVD drive fell out....he returned it, and bought a iMac C2D
 
Thats is a deal, hardware wise. However it lacks things like free Remote, iLife '06, Magsafe charger, Wireless N.

The hardware is cheaper then a MacBook Pro, but the MBP has some nice little extras. It is smaller, my friends had that model(I think) and it was a monster, huge!! (Also he had some problems with it, wireless wouldn't work, harddrive died, he sent it in, and it came back, and the DVD drive fell out....he returned it, and bought a iMac C2D



Actually the one I configured is set with a wireless N. And honestly, iLife really depends on if you actually ever use it. Me personally I never opened any of it and I uninstalled most of the apps (iWeb, GarageBand, iMovie). Cant say Im creative...

But if you are wanting to compare the "extras" that really dont matter, the Dell comes with 3GB of online storage 😱. .Mac only comes with 1GB, and you have to pay for that 🙁

Although Dell's QA is shoddy at times, with your friend apparently, one thing I do LOVE about their warranty is that they simply replace systems rather then trying to fix things, especially with laptops. If it is something small like HDD, optical drive, RAM going bad they may try to fix, but other then that they probably will just replace the whole system entirely. My friend was able to replace his whole system with a brand new one with quite a few upgrades because his two year old model was out of stock so they gave him an equal value one. Going from a 6800GT to a 7900GT and a P4 to a Core2Duo isnt bad at all 🙂
 
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