Looking to get used Macbook Pro. Mid-2012?

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  1. honeycombz macrumors 6502

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    Hey, I was looking to get a used macbook pro that could still be decent. It seems the 9,1 or 9,2 mid 2012s were the last that had user replaceable RAM and components like hard drives and optical disks that could be swapped out for SSDs but it is going on 5 years old and seems like logic boards fail on them a lot? Are all the newer models parts all soldered to the board?
     
  2. keysofanxiety macrumors 604

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    2012s 13"s are really reliable and very cheap due to market saturation.

    Just to make you aware the only real issue with them is the HDD SATA cables. They're properly unreliable so you may have performance and/or boot issues after fitting an SSD or trying to install the OS. If you do, don't panic! Apple have a silent repair program for the cables, so just take it into an Apple Store/AASP and they'll replace the cable for free.

    Other than that, I've found they're a real solid trucker and extremely good value on the used market.

    All new 2016 MBPs have all soldered parts. The SSDs are removable in the 2015s/earlier, but they're certainly not user replaceable in Apple's eyes.
     
  3. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Could you elaborate on the silent cable repair program? Is this macbook specific or across all apple products?
     
  4. keysofanxiety macrumors 604

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    Specific to the 13" 2012 cMBP only. Repair program likely to end in 2021.
     
  5. MacInTO macrumors 65816

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    There are a ton of used 2012 MBP 13" and 15" available. They're coming down in price too because nobody seems to want to buy them. I have a 15" 2012 and am considering getting a second one!

    I also had a 2012 rMBP at one point. They have soldered RAM but a removable SSD. However, the SSD was proprietary (I'm fairly certain) to Apple. You can check out the details on iFixit.com.

    For most people, if you don't want/need the retina screen, these machines work. There is also a high resolution screen option (1680 x 1050) that is a much better screen than the standard on the 15" MBP.
     
  6. idunn macrumors 6502

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    Yes, I own and definitely would recommend a 2012 cMBP.

    If the caveat that at about 2 1/2 years in it suffered major maladies with motherboard, etc. which necessitated a repair visit to Apple; it would have been otherwise expensive, but fortunately still under extended warranty, so not one cent in cost to me. Then more recently a few keys on the keyboard would not register; so off again to Apple repair, but as out of warranty a couple hundred dollars I had to fork out. In some recompense, the keyboard remains, as ever, a pleasure to type on.

    Otherwise I am quite happy with this computer. If never as exactly sharp as a Retina model, its screen has always been lovely, without incident (well, other than that one aforementioned time.) Nor have I suffered the seemingly long list of maladies possible with some Retina models. Overall it seems rock solid and reliable.

    Part of that is due the operating system, with one significant advantage this model's hardware being capable of running an older OS, such as Mountain Lion (10.8). Refurbished units purchased through Apple are likely to include a newer OS, which they will revert to if restoring. However if one should have a Time Machine backup of 10.8, then restoring to that will work flawlessly. The Retina models do not have the drivers or something to allow this.

    Obviously not everyone will want to rock the older OS (despite a number of distinct advantages since lost), but the good news is that one can as readily run the very latest version of Sierra.

    In this regard it may be advisable to purchase a model with the fastest possible processor, which can still put to shame some newer MacBook Pros. As well, why not? By more modern standards this isn't the lightest thing around, and if just wishing something on campus a MacBook would in many regards make more sense. But even if outclassed by most desktops and some laptops, this can have some serious power for projects requiring it. Apple built this to work.

    Which includes, not coincidentally, most all the ports one might be wanting. Beginning with the MagSafe power adapter which Apple never should have abandoned. You'll need a dongle for USB-C, but certainly not USB-A. Ethernet there as well. You'll need an adapter for HDMI, but do have an older Thunderbolt port. Even the curiosity of a perfectly functional internal read/write CD drive.

    Since designed to be user serviceable, it is simple and relatively inexpensive to max out the Ram and put in a proper SSD.

    Time does pass and even now one would probably want to purchase a 2012 cMBP with an eye towards the future. Given Apple's track record, there will come the day when this computer is made effectively obsolete. They no longer support, in example, Safari on Mountain Lion. Which is lamentable and inconvenient, if one does of course have the option of running the latest OS. If doing so will remind one of how once great Apple was, and now at best questionable in some respects. Nevertheless, one will not have a 2016 MBP, which is a fine start.

    Truly, the 2012 cMPB is a still solid laptop which in some respects marks the epitome of Apple's art and vision. Depending upon one's needs one could definitely do worse, and when all considered have a challenge to do better.
     
  7. Audit13 macrumors 65816

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    I'm still using a late 2011 Macbook pro 13 for surfing and email with 8 GB of ram and an ssd. With these upgrades, it is perfect for my needs. With this being said, a used 2012 would still be desirable if it could be had for a good price.
     
  8. ZapNZs macrumors 68020

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    You can still buy the 2012 MacBook Pro from Apple...so hypothetically you could buy a 2012 MBP and get AppleCare on it through mid-2020, giving you three years of smooth-sailing with a solid platform that is proven and liked. Pop a SSD and 8-16 gigs of RAM in and you are good to go.
     
  9. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    With a laptop stand do people feel like they still need a monitor connected at a desk? Wondering with 13 or 15" if I'd need a monitor if it was on a nice stand like that Rain Design mStand. What kind of setup and accessories to people like to go with a laptop desktop setup. I've typically just worked on an imac or macpro tower type deal. Had a laptop a few times for more casual stuff but looking for this to be more of a legit work machine/setup.
     
  11. SirithX macrumors 6502

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    I have a mid-2012 rMBP and it still works great to this day, although my battery started having problems a bit earlier than expected (but that's obviously something Apple can take care of).

    Personally while I'd love the extra screen real estate, at home I use the following stand which works really well for me in lieu of having a external monitor.

    https://www.twelvesouth.com/product/parcslope
     
  12. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Hey, I've come across a couple of auctions i'm interested in that have the macbooks with bad batteries. Wondering what the costs are to replace the battery? I've seen prices all over the place for replacement batteries from $30-$100. Anyone recommend a specific place to source a battery replacement?
     
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    For a laptop battery, I always recommend an OEM battery. You can get the battery replaced at the Apple store for around $100.
     
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    It's not a user replaceable part so they probably won't sell you only the battery. It's a bit steep but you get what you pay for.

    Aftermarket batteries can be had for $25 and up on eBay. I bought one once and it worked pretty well. If you go this route, buy from a seller with good feedback should you have a problem.
     
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  17. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    scared of aftermarket batteries. they probably will burn my house down. I think OWC is probs the way I'll go and install it by my lonesome.
     
  18. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    What would be a good monitor to complement this laptop? Just a dell ultrasharp 27"? I assume i cannot hook up a 4k?
     
  19. Fishrrman macrumors G4

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    The non-retina MacBook Pro's (to my knowledge) cannot support 4k.

    If you shop around, you might even find a few -new- units as yet unsold. I've seen them on ebay in the $800 range.
     
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    The UltraSharp is exceptional. If you are looking specifically for a 2560 x 1440 IPS display, it is a great choice.

    The model family below that, the S2415H and S2715H (24 and 27 inch) are great 1920x1080 IPS displays with super thin bezels and great refresh rates (60hz). I use two of them with my MBP - currently one 24 and one 27. Note that these are glossy displays, like the MBP itself, and are HDMI/VGA in only. The 27 inch has two USB port outs which are 2.0. Micro Center recently had the 27-inch on sale for like $185 - this is a hell of a nice display for that kind of money, as it is bright, crisp, doesn't have very bad IPS bleed, cosmetically-pleasing in industrial design, and solid in build quality. It's a much better looking display than the LG 5k that Apple is pushing and matches up much better with the MBP IMO! People constantly mistake these for higher end monitors, both when on and off.

    If you can find one for a reasonable price, the Apple Thunderbolt Display is still gorgeous in design and picture quality.

    1080 and 1440 might not get the stamp of approval from video snobs, but they can still look very good...
     
  21. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The price for the S2715H is really nice but I'm not sure signing up for a new monitor at 1920x1080 when things have already moved in a hi res direction is the way to go. It’s too bad that once you go up to 1440 at 27" the price shoots up to $500 though.
     
  22. ZapNZs macrumors 68020

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    FWIW, that's why I went 1080 - my work isn't dependent on the highest resolution display, and I figure I'll spend that extra money somewhere else. If I am going to invest $500 in a display, I might as well throw in a few more bucks and just step up to 4k.
     
  23. honeycombz thread starter macrumors 6502

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    And since the mid 2012s can’t use the 4ks do you think it is even't worth it to go for a 1440?
     
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