When did I say they don't have an understanding or I know better than them ?I just pointed out 5s is more relevant for India than 5c at these prices.
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Looks like apple wants to dump their over produced 5c phones in India
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When did I say they don't have an understanding or I know better than them ?I just pointed out 5s is more relevant for India than 5c at these prices.
I just pointed out 5s is more relevant for India than 5c at these prices.
I wasn't saying you specifically. I said ALL of us in general.
150 000 units a day is still over 4.5 million units a month. I'm sure any company would like to fail like that.
4.5 million units a month MADE, not SOLD.
Once again: supply and demand.
There is a difference. LOL
Regarding the 5C topic, I think most of the people criticising the 5C aren't looking at the bigger picture. Apple isn't a hardware company, at least not exclusively. Their goal isn't to just sell phones. That's Samsung's goal. Apple is trying to do more than that. They want to sell iTunes and iCloud and Macs. Once you get drawn into the ecosystem, nothing else really matters.
That said, would anyone spending $299 on a phone without subsidization be more likely to purchase apps or products from the iTunes store, or would someone paying $549 for a phone? (This is rhetorical)
My point is: Apple isn't trying to reach everyone in the world. That has never been their goal. What they are doing is selling an ecosystem. People that want to pick up the phone dirt cheap do not have the resources to buy into their ecosystem, so Apple doesn't bother targeting those people. (Some of you may cite the $0 iPhone on contract, and to those people, I'd say, Apple is just recovering costs, and not really selling a product.)
So, what DOES the iPhone 5C actually do? It's new and shiny (at least on the outside), so it will attract attention, because (without trying to offend anyone, but I probably will) people buying new products are superficial. Not only does this draw attention to the Apple ecosystem, but also expands Apple's definition of viable customers. The top end iPhone is a $700 device, but now they are also including the customers who are willing to pay $600 for their devices. Comparatively, a $2 app is not that expensive. After purchasing an Apple product, people will be more easily swayed into purchasing a $2 app. More people will be able to buy into their ecosystem. Keyword there is 'buy'.
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LOL... Supply and demand yes ... 150,000 units per day is still a lot. They aren't producing 150,000 a day just to sit there. I know about "supply and demand". I'm a business owner... No matter how you twist it ... 150,000 units per day is a lot. The production was at 300,000 per day which is way to many to begin with. Supply and demand. I understand the question is do you? You keep saying it then throwing at these numbers... We understand it's devices produced not sold, but if they are producing them they must have some intentions for them ... They aren't going to use them for paper weights.
The fact is this ... You WANT the 5c to fail. For whatever reason. The truth is it took Samsung 28 days to sale 10 million Galaxy S4's... A flagship, but the 5c is only getting outsold 2 to 1... So how many have been sold? I'm guessing close to 10 million... It's a Legacy device and hasn't even been out 28 days... Some failure huh?
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Yes, those idiots at Apple are producing 4.5 million units a month to just throw in the sea
You don't think they cut production to match demand?
You keep mentioning supply and demand, but do you actually understand the business concept of supply and demand?
It was marketed to the general public as a new device. Only WE know it was a legacy device.
28 days on the market ... Poor demand. Prices slashed. Don't kid yourself.
Show me 1 article that shows the "c" was successful and there was huge demand.
All the articles show the retailers have a lot of inventory, have cut prices to move the inventory and Apple has cut production in half because THE DEMAND FOR THE "c" WAS NOT THERE.
Right, I want apple to fail... Roll eyes
I have personally seen the the "c" held it, etc. it is not a bad product, but I wouldn't buy it. Didn't have a premium feel. Compared the the "s" to the "c", no way would I ever buy the "c" after looking at the "s". That is probably how the "c" got the nick name "iphone cheap". I am sure a lot of people feel the same way I do. That is probably why so many retailers have over an abundance of "c" in stock and apple cut production.
"S" premium phone. "C" just an expensive cheap phone in comparison. It is only $100 more for the "s" but the gap keeps widening.... It is now $150 more for the "s".
May be the "c" is good enough for you or you have the "c".
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Your own post that you erased/deleted shows you don't know the difference between what is SOLD and what is PRODUCED.
Apple cut production in half.
Re-read the post you deleted. Something produced didn't mean it sold.
Your post = FAIL
Rolls eye...
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Android is huge in India. Piracy is huge in India. The Apple ecosystem is expensive—hardware and software. There is little-to-no stigma associated with piracy there.
If all your peers have Android phones, you're more likely to get an Android phone. Whatsapp is huge in India, for some reason. Was probably free when it got popular and might still be free on Android for the first year, then $0.99 (Rs. 55) (source). I really don't see Indians willing to pay that much just to send/receive IM.
Then again, I was surprised to see a local businessman with an iPhone 4 in a relatively remote part of India when I'd myself recently gotten one. Remember thinking to myself, "Holy crap, this guy can afford the [then] new iPhone?" Plenty of wealthy people in India, but the "99%" are still the majority.
If all your peers have Android phones, you're more likely to get an Android phone. Whatsapp is huge in India, for some reason. Was probably free when it got popular and might still be free on Android for the first year, then $0.99 (Rs. 55) (source). I really don't see Indians willing to pay that much just to send/receive IM.
Then again, I was surprised to see a local businessman with an iPhone 4 in a relatively remote part of India when I'd myself recently gotten one. Remember thinking to myself, "Holy crap, this guy can afford the [then] new iPhone?" Plenty of wealthy people in India, but the "99%" are still the majority.
Being the second best selling phone in the 4 main US carriers is NOT a failure:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...s-at-big-4-us-carriers-iphone-5c-close-behind
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...s-at-big-4-us-carriers-iphone-5c-close-behind
You see the difference in the dollars between the two yes... But you don't see the other difference... A 16gb unlocked 5c is available elsewhere for 550$ + taxes... The same is being sold in India for a whopping 678$ + taxes...!!! How is that dumping phones...? Most flagship phones from Samsung and Nokia and htc are sold at Rs. 45,000/- tops... So the 5C is very highly priced here...
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Living in India and having lived here for the past 32 years I would put that ratio to 70%... Even then the 30% who could afford to buy an iPhone just wouldn't part with their money that easily... Mainly because Here the culture of using the latest and the greatest just doesn't exist... If it works for you at half the price it's enough... Also whatsapp is still free... I haven't seen any of my friends pay for it in the last 4+ years of whatsapp usage...
Totally agree with you mate and you do have a point here.
Being an Indian (although born and raised outside India) I too do know a thing or two about how Indians (in general) react to gadgets/electronics.
At the end of the day, it is all about status.
Apple is viewed in India as something that is desirable and expensive.
Most of the people I know back in India have bought (and preferred) the iPhone 5S as that is the more desirable option.
To them, the iPhone 5C is considered as cheap (in terms of build quality and look) and "over-priced" for something plastic-y.
Go figure!
As someone else mentioned on this thread, and going by that, if the iPhone 5C is priced at 41900INR ($678), the only people who can buy that are the rich and influential sector of the population.
Which is a small % even when considering the upper middle class, who are now able to buy the finer things in life.
So why would they want to get something other than the latest and the greatest Apple has to offer?
Which is to choose 5C over 5S. Wouldn't the 5S be the better and the most obvious choice?
Let me put this into perspective shall we? Before everyone jumps on this with their statements!
For an average person, the 'aam aadmi' (Hindi for a simpleton), the price of a 5C is way too exorbitant let alone a feasible option to even consider.
To him/her, there are way more cheaper alternatives in range of 10,000INR to 27,000INR.
(Windows Phone/Symbian Nokias/ Android/ BlackBerry)
When you take this range into comparison with iPhone's asking price, you will see why 'AnorexicPig' was absolutely right with his statement.
What I mean say is that, to an average person, spending the extra 20,000INR above the average range isn't worth it unless if you are talking about status.
So when you take the majority (70% or 90% or whatever) out of the equation, you are left with the ones who can actually afford AND can spend the extra '20,000'.
And so, they will opt for the 5S over the 5C as it is the latest and the greatest Apple has to offer.
It is about having the best and showing it off as that. Which then translated to us mortals is 'STATUS'.
I know it is strange that people think like that out here.
But hey!
Welcome to India!
Here again status dictates the need to get the finer things in life.
Again, it is a generalised statement (w.r.t gadgets/electronics) and nothing personal.
Most of the comments made out here (barring aside a few) are just assumptions, and nothing concrete.
Assuming is one thing, and understanding is another.
Just my two cents!
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You need to check the dosage of your medication.
I haven't deleted any post in this thread. The posts I made are still visible
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Totally agree with you mate and you do have a point here.
Being an Indian (although born and raised outside India) I too do know a thing or two about how Indians (in general) react to gadgets/electronics.
At the end of the day, it is all about status.
Apple is viewed in India as something that is desirable and expensive.
Most of the people I know back in India have bought (and preferred) the iPhone 5S as that is the more desirable option.
To them, the iPhone 5C is considered as cheap (in terms of build quality and look) and "over-priced" for something plastic-y.
Go figure!
As someone else mentioned on this thread, and going by that, if the iPhone 5C is priced at 41900INR ($678), the only people who can buy that are the rich and influential sector of the population.
Which is a small % even when considering the upper middle class, who are now able to buy the finer things in life.
So why would they want to get something other than the latest and the greatest Apple has to offer?
Which is to choose 5C over 5S. Wouldn't the 5S be the better and the most obvious choice?
Let me put this into perspective shall we? Before everyone jumps on this with their statements!
For an average person, the 'aam aadmi' (Hindi for a simpleton), the price of a 5C is way too exorbitant let alone a feasible option to even consider.
To him/her, there are way more cheaper alternatives in range of 10,000INR to 27,000INR.
(Windows Phone/Symbian Nokias/ Android/ BlackBerry)
When you take this range into comparison with iPhone's asking price, you will see why 'AnorexicPig' was absolutely right with his statement.
What I mean say is that, to an average person, spending the extra 20,000INR above the average range isn't worth it unless if you are talking about status.
So when you take the majority (70% or 90% or whatever) out of the equation, you are left with the ones who can actually afford AND can spend the extra '20,000'.
And so, they will opt for the 5S over the 5C as it is the latest and the greatest Apple has to offer.
It is about having the best and showing it off as that. Which then translated to us mortals is 'STATUS'.
I know it is strange that people think like that out here.
But hey!
Welcome to India!
Here again status dictates the need to get the finer things in life.
Again, it is a generalised statement (w.r.t gadgets/electronics) and nothing personal.
Most of the comments made out here (barring aside a few) are just assumptions, and nothing concrete.
Assuming is one thing, and understanding is another.
Just my two cents!
Lol you nailed it-no one could have put it better !
I'm from India and there is growing chunk of people of higher middle class.
Although android is by far most popular among Indians, a lot of people buy iphone. It's considered as equivalent to expensive jewellery.
And with the EMI schemes which apple gives, lot of middle class people are also buying iphones. Many times people are buying it just under peer pressure.
Infact when iphone 5 launched last Year, it was sold out within a few mins everywhere and the retail stores were selling the phones by taking a premium of as much as INR 2000 to INR 5000 per phone under the table
I had booked my iphone 5 with official reseller and it took me more than 2 weeks to lay my hands on a 64 GB version.....such was the demand.
Also Apple played it smart by selling iphone 4 cheaper and also they offered INR 8000 ($ 150 approx) discount for exchanging your old handset...And it sold like crazy....!!
So coming to 5S, even though I have had every iphone since launch (except the 4S), I don't find the price justified. I had paid INR 59500 for 64 GB and this year it's for INR 71,500
But I'm sure that the base model of 5S will sell a lot among the higher middle class and upper class.
Coming to 5C, I believe the emerging middle class will buy it like crazy, as it is "premium" compared to other brands.
But the major seller for Apple this year will be the 4S. I'm sure apple will give it for further discounts and exchange scheme and further sweetening deal by giving it on EMI.
To sum it up. Iphone 5S will not sell as well as 5 did, but the 5C and 4S will more than compensate the overall picture.
Although android is by far most popular among Indians, a lot of people buy iphone. It's considered as equivalent to expensive jewellery.
And with the EMI schemes which apple gives, lot of middle class people are also buying iphones. Many times people are buying it just under peer pressure.
Infact when iphone 5 launched last Year, it was sold out within a few mins everywhere and the retail stores were selling the phones by taking a premium of as much as INR 2000 to INR 5000 per phone under the table
I had booked my iphone 5 with official reseller and it took me more than 2 weeks to lay my hands on a 64 GB version.....such was the demand.
Also Apple played it smart by selling iphone 4 cheaper and also they offered INR 8000 ($ 150 approx) discount for exchanging your old handset...And it sold like crazy....!!
So coming to 5S, even though I have had every iphone since launch (except the 4S), I don't find the price justified. I had paid INR 59500 for 64 GB and this year it's for INR 71,500
But I'm sure that the base model of 5S will sell a lot among the higher middle class and upper class.
Coming to 5C, I believe the emerging middle class will buy it like crazy, as it is "premium" compared to other brands.
But the major seller for Apple this year will be the 4S. I'm sure apple will give it for further discounts and exchange scheme and further sweetening deal by giving it on EMI.
To sum it up. Iphone 5S will not sell as well as 5 did, but the 5C and 4S will more than compensate the overall picture.
You maybe of Indian origin, but, you still paint us with the same general brush as other westerners think and do... No difference buddy... You are correct to an extent but not totally... You will be surprised at the percent of people who can very well "afford" the iPhones but choose not to as they do not think a phone should be that expensive... They are just about making calls and occasional texting... As I mentioned in the post above the culture of owning the latest and the greatest does not exist here...
And talking about affording... The credit card culture is also at a minimum and nor do carriers give any subsidies... So we pay full price... How many Americans pay full price...? I guess not very many... So we buy what we can afford... Unlike people in other countries who get to buy even what they can't afford...
And morover 30% of the Indian population would be more than the total population of many countries...
OP here, Can anybody make sense as to why the price difference between the 5S and 5C in India is $185 for the base models?
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