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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

Don't panic said:
i think you are going in the right direction. some sort of device.

why would they lock a person in a closet?
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I haven't watched the episode a second time yet but, has anyone here ever been on a sub? EVERY door is the size of a closet door on a sub...

I think we can safely say it's a "room" of some sort. Does this (possible) person locked in a room on a ship scenario remind anyone else of a similar situation? When the freighter had the communications officer, Minkowski, quarantined for "going crazy"?
 
Bostonaholic said:
I haven't watched the episode a second time yet but, has anyone here ever been on a sub? EVERY door is the size of a closet door on a sub...

I think we can safely say it's a "room" of some sort. Does this (possible) person locked in a room on a ship scenario remind anyone else of a similar situation? When the freighter had the communications officer, Minkowski, quarantined for "going crazy"?
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Good points. Definitely another possibility. With so much going on with this show, it's easy to forget major details like that.


However, I don't think that there is a mobile version of the contraption at the Lighthouse Station in there. We didn't see one on the freighter, and I'm sure they would have showed us something like that.
 
Bostonaholic said:
I haven't watched the episode a second time yet but, has anyone here ever been on a sub? EVERY door is the size of a closet door on a sub...

I think we can safely say it's a "room" of some sort. Does this (possible) person locked in a room on a ship scenario remind anyone else of a similar situation? When the freighter had the communications officer, Minkowski, quarantined for "going crazy"?
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fair point.
from this image
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it does seem to be the same as the other doors, including widmore's.
so i think it is likely a room.
however i am still not convinced that there is someone locked inside, unless is some sort of 'monster'.
the two padlocks seem to be there to prevent anyone to access whatever is inside, rather then to prevent someone to come out (for which the regular lock would be sufficient.
 
Don't panic said:
it does seem to be the same as the other doors, including widmore's.
so i think it is likely a room.
however i am still not convinced that there is someone locked inside, unless is some sort of 'monster'.
the two padlocks seem to be there to prevent anyone to access whatever is inside, rather then to prevent someone to come out (for which the regular lock would be sufficient.
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Or two locks makes it more difficult for anyone to bust whoever is in there out. Perhaps.

Well, something or someone important is in there, that's for sure.

Maybe it's Lindeloff and Cuse....:D
 
mysterytramp said:
Though it did remind me of when Ben saw his daughter inside that temple (when she says to follow Locke at all costs?). This could just be one of MiB's tricks ... appear as someone who's dead in order to bedevil the living.

mt
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I see where you're going, but I have the feeling that the temple has different rules, especially that specific chamber than the rest of the island where MiB can either be of flesh or smoke but not both.
 
Don't panic said:
fair point.
from this image
normal_recon613.jpg


it does seem to be the same as the other doors, including widmore's.
so i think it is likely a room.
however i am still not convinced that there is someone locked inside, unless is some sort of 'monster'.
the two padlocks seem to be there to prevent anyone to access whatever is inside, rather then to prevent someone to come out (for which the regular lock would be sufficient.
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Its probably where they keep all the porn.
 
It's totally Locke's father. Or maybe Flocke's.

Does anyone else wonder if this might be an intersection between the alternate reality and the primary timeline?
 
Peace said:
I guess what I meant to say is since Richard is living forever and not aging then the Oceanic 6 are the same. They too are living forever and won't age.
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Plus the fact that Hurley isn't losing any weight. Stranded on and hiking around on an island as long as he's been, and even with Dharma food, certainly he would be skinnier. The reason he's still chubby is because he is special and has powers that even he doesn't know about. The physical world has little or no effect on him.
 
THX1139 said:
Plus the fact that Hurley isn't losing any weight. Stranded on and hiking around on an island as long as he's been, and even with Dharma food, certainly he would be skinnier. The reason he's still chubby is because he is special and has powers that even he doesn't know about. The physical world has little or no effect on him.
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I don't know if being unable to loose weight would be considered a superpower.

But at some point the two versions of one of the characters will have to meet.
 
THX1139 said:
Plus the fact that Hurley isn't losing any weight. Stranded on and hiking around on an island as long as he's been, and even with Dharma food, certainly he would be skinnier. The reason he's still chubby is because he is special and has powers that even he doesn't know about. The physical world has little or no effect on him.
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That's a joke right ? :confused::p
 
Don't panic said:
fair point.
from this image
normal_recon613.jpg


it does seem to be the same as the other doors, including widmore's.
so i think it is likely a room.
however i am still not convinced that there is someone locked inside, unless is some sort of 'monster'.
the two padlocks seem to be there to prevent anyone to access whatever is inside, rather then to prevent someone to come out (for which the regular lock would be sufficient.
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My guess is Eyepatch Guy.

mt
 
Peace said:
If you mean Mikhail Bakunin he died in 2004 ( Through the Looking Glass Pt.2 ) so it could mean a flashback for Widmore ?

Mikhail_glass_promo.jpg
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You've got it! The locked room is where the writers are keeping Widmore's flashback. Now that Richard Alpert had his, Widmore's backstory is one of the few missing.
 
THX1139 said:
Plus the fact that Hurley isn't losing any weight. Stranded on and hiking around on an island as long as he's been, and even with Dharma food, certainly he would be skinnier. The reason he's still chubby is because he is special and has powers that even he doesn't know about. The physical world has little or no effect on him.
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Richard's hair changes, which leads me to believe that superficial things like hair and weight can change even when you are ageless.
 
ok here is one thing that bugged me.
it's sort of an accepted fact that Richard Alpert and the others on the Black Rock were slaves.
but the the authors showed us the actual date (1867) of the shipwreck, which wasn't at all necessary, thus implying some sort of relevance to it.

Now i have a couple of problems with it.
One, minor, is that by that time, the US was a well established entity on its way to become a world power. Richard would have said they were going to 'America'. Saying the "new world" seemed very anachronistic by then.

the second is the whole slavery thing.

By 1867, the slave trade had been illegal both in british and spanish territories for quite a while and slavery itself had been abolished pretty much anywhere, and most definitively in all english-speaking countries.

The Black Rock couldn't therefore be a 'legal' slave ship, and it seems difficult to believe that a british officer would/could 'buy' a slave, especially a spaniard/christian, or that a catholic priest would not sell anyone as slave (the catholic church had been officially and strongly against slavery for well before then).

thoughts?
 
Don't panic said:
ok here is one thing that bugged me.
it's sort of an accepted fact that Richard Alpert and the others on the Black Rock were slaves.
but the the authors showed us the actual date (1867) of the shipwreck, which wasn't at all necessary, thus implying some sort of relevance to it.

Now i have a couple of problems with it.
One, minor, is that by that time, the US was a well established entity on its way to become a world power. Richard would have said they were going to 'America'. Saying the "new world" seemed very anachronistic by then.

the second is the whole slavery thing.

By 1867, the slave trade had been illegal both in british and spanish territories for quite a while and slavery itself had been abolished pretty much anywhere, and most definitively in all english-speaking countries.

The Black Rock couldn't therefore be a 'legal' slave ship, and it seems difficult to believe that a british officer would/could 'buy' a slave, especially a spaniard/christian, or that a catholic priest would not sell anyone as slave (the catholic church had been officially and strongly against slavery for well before then).

thoughts?
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Hollywood creative license.:D

Ok. Read up on it.

It wasn't a legal slave trade vessel and the captain was a former british officer.

And coincidentally the wreck on the island left Jonas Whitfield and 5 officers surviving ( 6 ). Jonas Whitfield proceeded to kill the surviving slaves until smokie killed him and the 5 officers.
 
Don't panic said:
ok here is one thing that bugged me.
it's sort of an accepted fact that Richard Alpert and the others on the Black Rock were slaves.
but the the authors showed us the actual date (1867) of the shipwreck, which wasn't at all necessary, thus implying some sort of relevance to it.

Now i have a couple of problems with it.
One, minor, is that by that time, the US was a well established entity on its way to become a world power. Richard would have said they were going to 'America'. Saying the "new world" seemed very anachronistic by then.

the second is the whole slavery thing.

By 1867, the slave trade had been illegal both in british and spanish territories for quite a while and slavery itself had been abolished pretty much anywhere, and most definitively in all english-speaking countries.

The Black Rock couldn't therefore be a 'legal' slave ship, and it seems difficult to believe that a british officer would/could 'buy' a slave, especially a spaniard/christian, or that a catholic priest would not sell anyone as slave (the catholic church had been officially and strongly against slavery for well before then).

thoughts?
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These are good points. My thoughts -

We know Jacob had some part in bringing the Black Rock to the Island. We hear him admit this to MiB. However, he may not have acted alone.

We know that the captain of the BR was Magnus Hanso. The Hanso Foundation has had a hand in many happenings on the Island, but we don't know the extent of their connection to the ultimate purposes of the Island. For all we know, this could have all been facilitated by the Hanso Foundation acting on Jacob's wishes (much like Eloise Hawking facilitated the O6 coming back on the Ajira flight).

If this is the case, we can clarify some things. Even with no legal slave trade, we know that the people of the Island are often above the law, or at least don't have a lot of legal troubles. This could explain why they were still dealing in slavery, as an easy way to get potential candidates (or otherwise important/special people) to the Island.

As for the 'New World' thing, I didn't take it literally. I thought they threw this in for a little fun - little did Richard know, they really were going to a New World, just not the one that he had heard so much about.
 
Don't panic said:
ok here is one thing that bugged me.
it's sort of an accepted fact that Richard Alpert and the others on the Black Rock were slaves.
but the the authors showed us the actual date (1867) of the shipwreck, which wasn't at all necessary, thus implying some sort of relevance to it.

Now i have a couple of problems with it.
One, minor, is that by that time, the US was a well established entity on its way to become a world power. Richard would have said they were going to 'America'. Saying the "new world" seemed very anachronistic by then.

the second is the whole slavery thing.

By 1867, the slave trade had been illegal both in british and spanish territories for quite a while and slavery itself had been abolished pretty much anywhere, and most definitively in all english-speaking countries.

The Black Rock couldn't therefore be a 'legal' slave ship, and it seems difficult to believe that a british officer would/could 'buy' a slave, especially a spaniard/christian, or that a catholic priest would not sell anyone as slave (the catholic church had been officially and strongly against slavery for well before then).

thoughts?
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The whole slavery organization thing seemed to me like it was some sort of clandestine organization. For one, a priest would never not grant absolution, so I interpreted it as the slavers had a guy impersonate a priest so as to pressure people to agree to going along with them. And then for all the reasons you listed above, it certainly wasn't legal. The whole thing had the feeling of a scam.
 
Macaddicttt said:
The whole slavery organization thing seemed to me like it was some sort of clandestine organization. For one, a priest would never not grant absolution, so I interpreted it as the slavers had a guy impersonate a priest so as to pressure people to agree to going along with them. And then for all the reasons you listed above, it certainly wasn't legal. The whole thing had the feeling of a scam.
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Kinda like what FLocke is doing right ? ;)
 
interesting points Barr08 and maccadict.
I had interpreted jacob/s influence in bringing in the ship as more of a supernatural one (e.g. causing the storm), but like he had an organization 'outside' in later times, he probably had one also before.
maybe hanso was jacob's man, and the storm was caused by the MIB.
 
Don't panic said:
maybe hanso was jacob's man, and the storm was caused by the MIB.
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There we go - Jacob brought them to the Island, which is when the non-stormy scene took place (they come, they corrupt, they destroy, etc). This is when MiB realized what Jacob was doing (not this again!) and caused the storm so that he would have the first chance to speak with the survivors.

I have had a lot of people giving me a hard time, saying 'oohh it was clear when we first saw the Black Rock, but there was a storm when we saw them next, waahh'. This is a good, reasonable explanation.
 
barr08 said:
There we go - Jacob brought them to the Island, which is when the non-stormy scene took place (they come, they corrupt, they destroy, etc). This is when MiB realized what Jacob was doing (not this again!) and caused the storm so that he would have the first chance to speak with the survivors.

I have had a lot of people giving me a hard time, saying 'oohh it was clear when we first saw the Black Rock, but there was a storm when we saw them next, waahh'. This is a good, reasonable explanation.
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I thought this was MIB's doing as well. Since Jacob was living in the base of the statue, MIB directed the ship at the statue to try and kill Jacob.
 
barr08 said:
Or at least to send him a message and really annoy him!
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Probably this, since we know that the MiB can't kill Jacob, and must get someone to choose to do it out of their own free will.

One thing that bothers me: During the storm, one of the other prisoners looked out of a little window/crack, saw the island for the first time, and proclaimed that he could see land (he then saw the statue and said that the island is being guarded by El Diablo). If the Blackrock was so close to the island before the storm, why didn't that prisoner see the island then?
 
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