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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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It wasn't an accident. It was an "accident".
The thug smashed Jin's head into the door on purpose, but pretended it was an accident. Kearny apologized to Jin for his thug's actions while he was cleaning the wound.
I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned.
But isn't it obvious that the other reality we are seeing is the reality if they had never met Jacob?
Also if this ends up being some God vs Lucifer free will purgatory thing, I am gonna be pissed.
That is all.
But isn't it obvious that the other reality we are seeing is the reality if they had never met Jacob?
Also if this ends up being some God vs Lucifer free will purgatory thing, I am gonna be pissed.
That is all.
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What does this episode tell us about jumping to conclusions? Jin's injury was assumed to be torture in the last episode, but we come to find out it was an accident. I assume this is some sort of foreshadowing going on. Patchy gets shot in the eye, cruel, but Patchy had 9 lives on the island (not to mention one eye). Was anyone surprised to see Keamy??? turn around and warn Patchy?
Keamy
That is all.
So what if Sun dies in one timeline and Jin dies in the other (maybe from an infection from the bear trap)? Maybe some cataclysm at the end brings the two timelines together and they reunite.
Can everyone say, "Awwwwww"?
mt
Can everyone say, "Awwwwww"?
mt
I dont think Desmond was in the room. I think y'all are assuming too much here I didn't see Desmond come out of a locked room or did i miss that part? Why would you need to lock up a severely drugged up person in a room? And if he was the secret weapon why lock him up in the first place he should have been the first person off the sub and looking for locke. He cant even walk he so drugged up so how is he going to kill locke?
And Widmore wanted to make sure that they had the pylons set up first to protect them from Smokie.....
Good point. So this means FLocke needs the candidates to fight Widmore.
Assuming Widmore has more pylons around the plane.
I think it's more that FLocke needs the candidates to be on the plane with him in order for him to escape the island.....
Wasn't drugging the passengers standard operating procedure for anyone taken in the sub. We saw this when Juliet was brought to the island.
I suspect they kept him locked up to keep others from getting to him.
Yep i believe that is the case! Because back in season 2 juliet drinks some liquid that Richard and ethan give her - she then passes out and wakes up on the sub
Flocke needs to take the candidates so that no one replaces Jacob, thus trapping him again.
We're on the same page here. I believe that Flocke needs all the candidates because he plans to kill them all so no one can replace Jacob--which is what's keeping Flocke from leaving the island. Once all the replacements are no longer able to replace Jacob i.e. dead, Flocke can "go home".
I still don't have a clear understanding of the "loop hole" MiB figured out in order to kill Jacob. Well, we know that he was able to take over in Locke's form and influence another (Ben) to kill Jacob, but is that the loop hole? They cannot kill each other but they can influence others to kill the other? I'm thinking it's more than this.
Maybe I don't remember, but what pushed Ben to kill Locke when they were off the island? It seems a bit lucky that Locke's dead body was taken to the island and now MiB took over in his form in order to influence the candidates to swing one way or another. Maybe I'm just not putting things together or possibly I'm thinking too much into it.
Except it doesn't explain why Flocke is going through all this subterfuge. Why not just kill them now? I don't think Flocke is planning on anyone surviving what he has planned, but by the same token, he seems insistent that everyone needs to be on the plane (which sounds a lot like Eloise Hawking back in Los Angeles). Something's up.
And with Jacob dead, why hasn't one of the candidates been chosen now? What are they waiting for?
mt
This is where free will comes into play. Flocke needs the candidates to willingly decide to not stay/leave the island/not replace jacob (in Jack's case). After they make their decision he can do what he wants with them, be it manipulate them to do his biddings like infiltrating Doggen's/Widmore's camp because he can'y (ash circle/telsa foils) or kill them.
That's why Sun running away from him is so telling and why Ben returning to that chic who forgave him is a huge deal.
You know, sometimes we over think things especially with a show like Lost where anyone can come away with their own interpretation but let's not forget the ground we've already tromped on.
That's why Sun running away from him is so telling and why Ben returning to that chic who forgave him is a huge deal.
You know, sometimes we over think things especially with a show like Lost where anyone can come away with their own interpretation but let's not forget the ground we've already tromped on.
+1. To me, this is really the only reasonable explanation. As far as we know, the only thing Flocke wants is to get off the Island, which makes sense. We also know the candidates are candidates to replace Jacob, the power who is keeping MiB on the Island in the first place. So unless they are also candidates to replace MiB (in which case he would need them for a whole different reason), this is the only explanation that makes sense.
I think you are largely correct here. In order to kill Jacob, someone needs to do it of their own free will. Because of John and Ben's existing relationship, and Ben's knowledge of John's connection to the Island, MiB knew that he could convince Ben to kill Jacob as Locke.
It is also possible that only the leader of the others can kill Jacob (this was Ben at the time, as John locke was dead). This is somewhat likely, because only the leader of the others can request a meeting with Jacob.
I think you aren't putting this together because it is still ambiguous. The exact details of the whole loophole/Locke death thing is still a mystery. We know that Locke went back to get the O6 to return, and that Richard Alpert (under direction of MiB as Locke), as well as Christian Shepard, told Locke that he had to die in order to do it. This was partially true, as it convinced Jack that it was time for him to return.
We also know that John's dead body returning to the Island was probably very important to the loophole. MiB's plan relied on bringing Locke's body back to the Island, so that he could appear as him, convince Ben to kill Jacob, etc.
Thirdly, and something to take special note of, we know that Widmore did everything he could to help John Locke get the O6 back to the Island, but we also know he is an enemy of the MiB. So, at least two seperate forces wanted John to succeed and get the O6 back to the Island, perhaps for different reasons. Conversely, Widmore may have been influenced or manipulated by the MiB or even Jacob.
I'm not clear on this either, but I did have one thought from the episode where Ben stabbed Jacob. Something was said in that episode about how only the leader could go in to talk to Jacob (they still thought FLocke was the leader), but we knew that Ben could still be the leader because the real Locke was dead.
The MiB didn't die when Sayid stabbed him, but it's possible that his "infection" has rendered him incapable of killing the MiB. Maybe another candidate could kill him?
Or maybe candidates can't kill the opposing force (MiB). It has to be another person doing it of his free-will? Which is why Jacob couldn't kill MiB, and MiB couldn't kill Jacob...And since the candidates are basically in Jacob's position (Or will be soon enough), they have the same "loop-hole".
This is under the assumption that Sayid is a candidate...He is right?
I'm not too sure anymore.... with the whole "darkness" growing in him, and practically working for MiB.
But then again, this is a story about redemption, so who knows.... maybe sort of a biblical parallel of turning away from the devil.... who knows....
On a different note... I watched the Pilot again yesterday. There was a lot of "counting backwards from 5". Something tells me that is how the whole series is going to end. Jack counting from 5, opening his eyes, doing something, and fulfilling his destiny. Or something.
My prediction: We'll see in hindsight that Lost was about two manifestations of the perpetual battle of good vs. evil:
First, the battle within each character's soul. We see this in each timeline or alternative story line. They can each act heroically but they each have demons. Rather than show that each character is redeemed once and for all, we'll see each characters life turn out OK (necessary for audience-pleasing) but the angels and devils on their shoulders will always be there.
Second, the battle between supernatural good and evil: Jacob and MiB. We'll see that it's perpetual when both are replaced and they and their descendants continue to do battle on the island in perpetuity. Which is similar to the theme of Carnivàle, if anyone remembers that HBO show.
Since Jacob doesn't really seem to be "good" (he brought people to the island who suffered and died), I'll extend my theory to say that Jacob and MiB each have the same twin opposing forces inside them as everyone else.
So there's my theory: that the theme is the never-ending opposing forces of good and evil, rather than a "redemption" theme. Or maybe the only goal of the producers and writers was to make Steve Jobs richer by getting people to buy episodes as iTunes Store downloads!
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First, the battle within each character's soul. We see this in each timeline or alternative story line. They can each act heroically but they each have demons. Rather than show that each character is redeemed once and for all, we'll see each characters life turn out OK (necessary for audience-pleasing) but the angels and devils on their shoulders will always be there.
Second, the battle between supernatural good and evil: Jacob and MiB. We'll see that it's perpetual when both are replaced and they and their descendants continue to do battle on the island in perpetuity. Which is similar to the theme of Carnivàle, if anyone remembers that HBO show.
Since Jacob doesn't really seem to be "good" (he brought people to the island who suffered and died), I'll extend my theory to say that Jacob and MiB each have the same twin opposing forces inside them as everyone else.
So there's my theory: that the theme is the never-ending opposing forces of good and evil, rather than a "redemption" theme. Or maybe the only goal of the producers and writers was to make Steve Jobs richer by getting people to buy episodes as iTunes Store downloads!
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