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I've got it all figured out. While Ben distracts the guards by bleeding, Jack and Sawyer take the elevator down to the Orchid's operations center, where they find Michael Dawson's son, Walt, steering the island! They tell him to make a sharp left, and all of Charles Widmore's mercenaries fall off the island and are eaten by the Dharma-logo shark. Ben falls off with them, but escapes from the shark by lying to it, telling the shark that he'll give it some 15-year-old crackers that will taste better than he would.

Simulated leaked shot from the show in two weeks:

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I'm sticking with my timeportation theory of moving the island - put the island in a time bubble, let the world rotate and then come back in at a separate part. This could be both unpredictable and dangerous (like Ben said) because you could wind up inside a mountain!

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It's probably silly of me to mention but someone has leaked the details of the final episode. If you want to post it here it'd be nice to white out the text and warn of the spoiler.
 
Wow, crazy finale!
1. What did Christian mean when he said, "You can go now Michael."? Does it mean Michael is still alive then?
2. Ben is a crazy driver (at least he wasn't on his cellphone).
3. How did Ben get off the island?
4. Jeremy Bentham = Locke?
5. Aaron has to go back even though Claire says no.

Can't wait till next season.
 
I don't buy that Jin is dead. I don't know how he could still be alive (other than possibly Farady rescuing him?), but I don't feel that they 'set up' his death enough or that they made a big enough deal of him dying either. In comparison to Charlie's death, Jin's felt like he was an extra that died or something.

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I think that Christian telling Michael that he can go is referring to that he can die now. Michael was trying to kill himself for a while, but the island wouldn't let him. After he did what he needed to do, the island let him go.

Also, Miles made a mention to the redheaded one (I forget her name) about how she came back. Is she the little girl from Ben's past that Ben had a thing for (I think her name was Amy?)?

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I felt the same way about Claire dying- I thought that she couldn't just be offed like that, there's no time to cry over her. But apparently..... I really don't know about Jin. Even if he jumped into the water, the explosion would've done damage.

Can we please take a moment for the death of Mr. Locke. :(


Okay, Yes, he's still going to play a huge role for the rest of the series, but it sucks seeing your fav die. P-Worm, I thought the exact same thing about her being Annie. But the ages wouldn't add up, so I dismissed it.

I know Ben is a totaly douche ("so") but I still felt a bit bad for him. Daughter was killed, and then he was kicked off the island. Kinda sucks. But he's an ass. Ugh, he toys with my emotions too much.

So, who's left? The Oceanic 6 are off. Sawyer and Juliet are the only main folks on the beach right? I guess you could count Rose and Bernard, but damn... seems like we lost a lot. Claire is wherever she is and Locke is with the Others. Can't wait for that story next season. Answers, here we come.

BTW, island moving was a crazy cool scene.

Is it February yet?
 
About to watch this in a short while. Mega excited for it. Expecting a big cliffhanger (as usual) and some folk to die.

btw I've not read any recent comments here :p now for breakfast.
 
What happened to the folks in the rubber boat (taking off the next set of surviviors) when the island moved?

Is that the last we see of Daniel? Who else was on the boat? Mostly unknowns from what I saw.

I think it was a pretty good season finale. Why was Jack in denial about the island moving?

I thought it was pretty funny that Hurley refuted him. "Dude, the island was there... then it wasn't. He moved the island"
 
I think that Christian telling Michael that he can go is referring to that he can die now. Michael was trying to kill himself for a while, but the island wouldn't let him. After he did what he needed to do, the island let him go.
That's how I interpreted that scene too.

I thought it was pretty funny that Hurley refuted him. "Dude, the island was there... then it wasn't. He moved the island"
I laughed out loud at that scene. It was a classic Hurley moment.

The redheaded girl was apparently born on the island, given Miles' comment about her having been there before, and her own comment about looking for where she was born. But I'm not sure what else we're supposed to take from that.

And for those of you who are sad about Locke being dead, I'm guessing that as soon as they get him back to the island he'll be up and about in no time. It seems to have that effect on people.
 
So by turning a big wheel Ben moves the island and time travels a few years into the future and gets deposited in the desert? Huh?

(Just in case you're confused, remember a few episodes back Ben woke up in the desert with a parka on and holding a crowbar.)
 
So by turning a big wheel Ben moves the island and time travels a few years into the future and gets deposited in the desert? Huh?

(Just in case you're confused, remember a few episodes back Ben woke up in the desert with a parka on and holding a crowbar.)

Of course that all ties together now.
Great final episode that. I've already forgotten most of it though :D just a little too tired here - at first I thought that it was Widmore in the coffin :eek:

Series 4 has just been incredible. I'll be watching this again over the summer.
 
Wow, crazy finale!
1. What did Christian mean when he said, "You can go now Michael."? Does it mean Michael is still alive then? means the island is done with him and he can finally die
2. Ben is a crazy driver (at least he wasn't on his cellphone). what? when did ben drive?
3. How did Ben get off the island? moving the island is unpredictable
4. Jeremy Bentham = Locke? umm, yeah that was locke in the coffin
5. Aaron has to go back even though Claire says no. no kidding

Can't wait till next season.

So by turning a big wheel Ben moves the island and time travels a few years months not years into the future and gets deposited in the desert? Huh? see my response to the above #3

(Just in case you're confused, remember a few episodes back Ben woke up in the desert with a parka on and holding a crowbar.)and his arm was bleeding

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Ben said that moving the island was unpredictable, so i dont understand how you guys dont get why ben ended up in the desert... Do y'all not pay attention during the show?
 
great episode.

a couple of additional points to ponder upon.
i thought that moving the island would also explain how the little plane with ecko's brother got there.
that would require that the island moves in space also and not only in time.
however, if the only way to move the island was to blow a hole in the time-travelling vault, the island clearly never moved since dharma came along and built the orchid.
wouldn that conflict with the time-frame of ecko brother's story? or does it fit with the island being of the African coast until dharma moved it to the pacific when they first started to "play" with the exotic matter?

another aspect is that although unpredictable, it doesn't seem that the destination is random: Ben knew very well 'where' he was (a preferred guest in the nearby hotel at the desert location), just not 'when'.
i think that the island moves i time and space, but to 'preferred' locations. similarly, people (or bears) are tele/time-transported to preferred places.

final thought: if the island only moves in time, but remains to the same location, widmore would know it, and therefore it would make moving the island unnecessary: no immediate requirement (mercs were all dead, boat blew up), and pointless if widmore could come a few months later to the same location.

another possibility would be that the location appears different because of earth rotation. however in that case wouldn't the island appear in the middle of outer space (earth [and the solar system, and the galaxy] moves along, it doesn't just rotate)
 
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Ben said that moving the island was unpredictable, so i dont understand how you guys dont get why ben ended up in the desert... Do y'all not pay attention during the show?

Ben turns a big wheel and transports into the desert and 10 months (not a few months) later. Remember when this whole show started the writers said the entire show could be explained by science.

Explain away.
 
I enjoyed this episode and its various connections of loose ends, like Ben's going to the desert and the Oceanic 6 planning their rescue story. I guess Kate was referring to Aaron when she met Jack in the parking lot and referred to somebody waiting for her at home.

What did Sawyer whisper to Kate before leaping out of the helicopter? Theories?

Although I thought the last minutes of the season finale were well done, I think it would have made a better ending if they cut it off earlier, just as the island disappeared. Imagine seeing the island go "poof" and the expressions of those in the raft, those on the boat, those in the chopper, those on the beach, and maybe a knowing smile from Ben, all as the scene fades!
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Who's in the coffin. The only way I could be more right is if his coffin is so small because he lost his legs.

Yeah, me too. I thought Locke was pretty easy, if only by process of elimination. For which other character would the writers pointedly have had ZERO attendees at his funeral; obviously dying miserable, unloved and alone? Surely neither Michael (mother and son would have wanted to reconcile) nor Ben (a whole cohort of people who either followed him or would want to make sure he was really dead).
 
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