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They weren’t actually, far from it. Rather toned down together with the transparency.

If you spent a little longer than two seconds before hitting reply it would click that I said ‘those stripes’ not ‘stripes’
 
If you spent a little longer than two seconds before hitting reply it would click that I said ‘those stripes’ not ‘stripes’
You can do semantics all you want. In the end Mac OS X Panther was still filled to the brim with very noticeable stripes that came from the same idea as the original ones. Also no need on your part hitting reply in such a manner.
 
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...that inevitably means a lot of fools with bad taste demand that Apple incorporate their bad ideas
I don't believe that. Apple does not really listen to their customer's demands. The decisions are taken to maximize the turnover of hardware, it must become obsolete as fast as possible to make the maximum of money.
 
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I don't believe that. Apple does not really listen to their customer's demands. The decisions are taken to maximize the turnover of hardware, it must become obsolete as fast as possible to make the maximum of money.
and this is based on what evidence? we do occasionally see changes that reflect public opinion, like the Finder icon changes. still, we can all believe whatever we want 🤔
 
Hell, the current iteration of the MacBook Pro (since the M1 Pro) is proof Apple does in fact listen to its customers. It's basically their apology design.

There are some good features that came with the switch, but it probably wasn't done primarily "for users." One thing many users want is the ability to upgrade / repair their hardware, or add more RAM. M1 is about as hostile as it gets in that respect.
 
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There are some good features that came with the switch, but it probably wasn't done primarily "for users." One thing many users want is the ability to upgrade / repair their hardware, or add more RAM. M1 is about as hostile as it gets in that respect.
'many users'... how did you determine that? from the .0005% of macusersin the world who live on this forum? and who else would the features be for, if not users? 🤔
 
There are some good features that came with the switch, but it probably wasn't done primarily "for users." One thing many users want is the ability to upgrade / repair their hardware, or add more RAM. M1 is about as hostile as it gets in that respect.
Many users also couldn’t care less about that. I probably largely determined that the same way as you.
 
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...One thing many users want is the ability to upgrade / repair their hardware, or add more RAM....
I can't think of a single Mac user outside of content creation professionals who want to do any of that.

Most of Apple's customers are not "pro" users (by percentage of total users), so it makes perfect sense for Apple to do it the way they're doing it. And quite frankly, I don't know of many Windows-based users who want to do their own upgrades and repairs, and most Windows computers are sold "as-is" and have very little ability to be upgraded anymore. Part of that is just that computers are just so powerful now that very few people need more from their computer than what it had when they purchased it.

As @fisherking said, I think you're basing your opinion on the very, very, VERY small minority of users who hang out in web forums like this one.
 
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I can't think of a single Mac user outside of content creation professionals who want to do any of that.

Most of Apple's customers are not "pro" users (by percentage of total users), so it makes perfect sense for Apple to do it the way they're doing it. And quite frankly, I don't know of many Windows-based users who want to do their own upgrades and repairs, and most Windows computers are sold "as-is" and have very little ability to be upgraded anymore. Part of that is just that computers are just so powerful now that very few people need more from their computer than what it had when they purchased it.

As @fisherking said, I think you're basing your opinion on the very, very, VERY small minority of users who hang out in web forums like this one.
Yes, that was more popular when we were using and adding megabytes. Now, we are using gigabytes. Even in phones! Buy what you need when you buy the device and no need to upgrade anything inside until you need another device.
 
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wait... apple wants us to buy stuff? it's not enough for us to simply download their free OSes? hmmm, weird. what kind of corporation does that? 🤔
Pretty sure software development over the supported lifespan of any given Apple device is calculated into the price of their hardware. 🤔

Excepted when Apple pushes new more demanding versions of the OS, exactly to make you need another device...
Its logical future software at some point requires more advanced hardware. Otherwise we’d still be stuck using monochrome Mac OS from the 80s.
 
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agreed, of course! my point was... apple needs to sell something (in this case, hardware...) 👍
Yes, there is always a cycle of Mac users that have an older Mac that have had a certain amount of years on their current Mac/Macs that they would like or need to upgrade. My main Mac is a 14" M1 MacBook Pro bought in February 2023. Most likely I will keep it a total of 7 years or so, then buy another MacBook Pro.
 
Excepted when Apple pushes new more demanding versions of the OS, exactly to make you need another device...
It’s not to “make you need another device”. It’s to remain competitive. Windows, Android, and even Linux will keep advancing, even if macOS never goes beyond version 26 and can run on the 2030 version of a toaster.
 
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Not at all. Apple's planned obsolescence strategy is notorious.
Every tech company has “planned obsolescence” otherwise they’d have to support every version of every operating system, forever. Where’s the cutoff? What should a tech company’s obligation be? I mean, do we want 5 years of software support for our MacBook? Seven? Ten? Do we want that enshrined in law, thus essentially locking out any commercial/proprietary OS that doesn’t come from a Microsoft/Google/Apple/Amazon-sized company?

There comes a point where the thing you bought - a computer - has delivered all the value to you you’re entitled to, for the price you paid. If you can still make it work beyond that point, that’s a bonus.

And, quite honestly, Apple’s so-called “planned obsolescence strategy” seems to be working out pretty well for them. Their products are mostly very expensive, and sell extremely well.

There are other computers and other operating systems with different support strategies.

Microsoft, for example, maintains what must seem to Apple engineers an absolutely ludicrous level of backward compatibility. The 32-bit version of Windows 7 (launch date: 2009) could run, unmodified, VisiCalc (launch date: 1981) - a program from 28 years prior. That’s like Snow Leopard running software for the Apple III, with no mods.

Linux gives you everything from the total curated experience of Ubuntu, to the wild west roll-your-own of Arch, to the wilder, wester, roll-you-own-ier Linux From Scratch. Your support window is basically down to you.

Apple’s vision - a whole integrated ecosystem, from wrist to phone to tablet to laptop notebook - and its concomitant complexity means if you ever want to get out of testing, older versions and features have to be let go.
 
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I know this is a technologically impossible on any OS but I still dream of a left handed mouse pointer.
There was a time when Windows came with a left-handed pointer set. Being a southpaw myself, I tried it. Truly discombobulating.
 
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