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Loving Liquid Glass—but macOS needs to catch up

Lounge vibes 05 said:
Yep.
And while he obviously wasn’t there for Scott’s firing and Johnny’s takeover, I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that Steve had a hand in the earliest talks of the iOS 7 era flattening, given that apple is usually working on the next several operating systems at the same time.
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Scott wouldn't have been fired had Steve lived a few more years. Steve LOVED skeuomorphism ("When people see these icons, they should want to LICK them") and him and Scott were pals. If Steve had lived to see the argument during the iOS 6 Maps incident (which was wildly overblown) he would likely have defended Scott. The only reason they got away with firing him was simply because Steve 'conveniently' died shortly before.

If Steve had been in the same room as Ive when Ive had decided to flatten iOS 7 I can imagine he'd frown, say 'Nope' and walk out the room.

All I can imagine is that if skeuomorphic UI would have continued development, it would have made the Vision Pro even more exciting. I can only dream of what it could have evolved into, such as the UI we saw depicted in the first two Iron Man films (I still wanna 'toss' a file into the 'bin' like Stark did)
 
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Also, am I the only one who notices that sidebar attracts more focus than the content? It's like the sidebar screams "look at me".
 
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It just depends on whether the window is in the background or not. Even for foreground windows, the status bar's background color used to be (slightly) incorrect though - admittedly hard to tell in your screenshot.
 
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omg my head is going to explode with all these capsules and dirty looking, distracting, drop shadows all over the place.

Just leave sidebars and toolbars on the same "level" as the rest of the content.
This forced "floating over everything" is ridiculous.

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dmccloud said:
It's quite the opposite for me. My focus is immediately drawn to the photo and text underneath, with the sidebar a secondary (if not tertiary) element.
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My immediate thought is "why is that huge sidebar hovering over my photo"?

This concept of "blurry hints of stuff underneath that shows through" adds nothing but visual confusion and clutter.

They are drunk on "immersive" BS kool-aid over in Cupertino.

And I assume they are going to "fix" the top buttons, as they are so transparent as to be almost invisible and unusable.

UI stuff that works inside a 3D VR headset... works because you are inside a 3D VR headset.
 
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I just looked at the drop down bookmarks in Safari's address bar and Safari's menubar drop downs and it doesn't matter if I have selected Reduce Transparency in System Settings/Accessibility/Display or not. They look the same. So, they are doing transparency in some apps whether you select to reduce it or not. It's not crazy bad in Safari but, I do think we should have a choice. Or maybe have a slider for how much transparency we want.
 
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Here's a comparison of Finder in Beta 1 vs. Beta 4:

Is it better?

Beta 1
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Beta 4

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I do see some improvements:

* in a background window, in beta 4 the sidebar uses disabled colors
* the status bar (at the bottom) gets the window background, not the sidebar color

To my eye, this is "less horrible" but is it good?
 
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Some one said corner radius of the windows has been decreased. That above looks the same to me.

All in all, I knew what was there in Beta 1 was mostly here to stay. When was the last time Apple previewed something and by the release time it looked completely different? Maybe with Mac OS X developer beta which looked completely different at release.
 
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StellarVixen said:
Some one said corner radius of the windows has been decreased. That above looks the same to me.
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Yes, I saw someone claiming that in another post and was confused as the radius seems unchanged from B3. Overlaying the above two images shows that they’re identical so not sure how that poster came to that conclusion.
 
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The corner radius depends on the windows titlebar/toolbar style, so it could be they removed some padding on some styles, and so the radius decreased only on some styles.
 
randolorian said:
Looks terrible. Tahoe might be the first new OS release that I don't upgrade to on release day.
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It’s really not that bad. I held off until B3 as I was not liking what I was seeing in screenshots, but after installing it I’ve actually been really impressed. It runs really well and the UI changes aren’t nearly as bad as they seem. I run a 34” 5k2k ultrawide and scale up one click from the macOS default scaling, and whilst the new UI elements and padding are a little bit bigger than Sequoia, I have adjusted pretty quick. B4 brings some further refinement to the point I’m actually preferring Tahoe now.
 
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