It’s not just cathartic; it also provides an opportunity to receive and consider challenge on the object of one’s ire, and benefit from alternative points of view.
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Loving Liquid Glass—but macOS needs to catch up
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Well, cathartic means purging, yet these complaints don't seem to ever end, do they? The desire to complain is insatiable.
Being a pedant for a moment, (as if I’m ever anything else!), “cathartic” doesn’t just mean “purgative”.
I think most people use it in the first, most common sense.
There are other threads on this site, if this one isn’t floating your boat. No need to gatekeep.
Here're two more UI consistancy issue that have been around since Big Sur and still not fixed in Tahoe.
1. Lists views can lose their padding and rounded corners for no apparent reason. You can reproduce this consistantly in Activity Monitor by cycling though the tabs, it can also happen randomly in Finder while browsing in List view.
2. Network shares still retain their Yosemite-era icon, and new to Tahoe the Connect As/Disconnect button is now misaligned too.
It feels like the macOS implementation of Liquid Glass is a mere afterthought to Apple's design team in constrast with what they showcased on iOS/iPadOS.
1. Lists views can lose their padding and rounded corners for no apparent reason. You can reproduce this consistantly in Activity Monitor by cycling though the tabs, it can also happen randomly in Finder while browsing in List view.
2. Network shares still retain their Yosemite-era icon, and new to Tahoe the Connect As/Disconnect button is now misaligned too.
It feels like the macOS implementation of Liquid Glass is a mere afterthought to Apple's design team in constrast with what they showcased on iOS/iPadOS.
This doesn't appear to be random. It happens whenever the scroll view requires a horizontal scroll bar.
YES. MacOS' current implementation of glass is very flat, bland, and corporate. Where's the OS X 10.2 Aqua or Windows 7 aero?
Oh goddammitt! My eyes! What have they done to Finder, to macOS windows?
It seems they focused too much on iOS and iPadOS. They should rethink Tahoe’s Liquid Glass implementation and especially on system windows.
Yes, enabling the status bar and the route bar is among the first things I do on my Mac after a reinstall or a fresh start.
"stop complaining!" he complained.
also everyone whined endlessly about the photos app, and guess what, apple rolled it back, literally acknowledging the community feedback in the keynote.
anyway, i'm off to spending 99.9% of my day not being mentally and emotionally damaged by my forum visits, hope you can do the same.
I think scroll bars should be an important focus on this redesign, especially now what we have such glassy buttons and sliders…
to me if they's nix the bubbled in elements then it would look really nice. plus elevating navigation over content seems to go against their whole message of making content shine.
Yet said community has barely ever managed to get anything serious rolled back, major UI changes included. Photos and other trivialities look more like Apple's lip service to their Mac user base commitment. And that's what we get for the pretty penny we pay them while they turn the Mac into a bigger iPad for their youngster iPhone addicts who mostly care about how cool their shiny new kit will look in their latest TikTok story.
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It's impossible to know what does or does not get impacted by protestations online.
Remember, everyone working on all this ... they are also "people who browse forums and socials" and they see the narratives out there.
It's extremely likely that things that get talked about, complained about, mentioned do get into the minds of those working on these things.
If Apple really listened to the vox pupuli on the forums, would we have things like Ventura+ Settings?
You're setting up a binary situation when something like this is really on a spectrum.
I'm saying that it's very likely the public "winds" are noticed and do impact what does and doesn't happen.
That doesn't mean it always does ... or that it does to the degree many of us out here might prefer.
Does that help better clarify what I'm saying?
It's the pointer - they really haven't changed its design at all going all the way back to the original Mac.
It’s funny, ever since I heard “Liquid Glass” I can’t stop picturing this.
But if we’re talking about visibility and accessibility, why not have some objects that are “illuminated from within”, or have some iridescence, sheen, the way bubbles do. Internal animation, sparkle, glow.. You could accomplish something like the “shake to enlarge” pointer feature now.
But if we’re talking about visibility and accessibility, why not have some objects that are “illuminated from within”, or have some iridescence, sheen, the way bubbles do. Internal animation, sparkle, glow.. You could accomplish something like the “shake to enlarge” pointer feature now.
A really cool(ed) liquid glass would be perfect to make windows....
Just because something can be redesigned doesn't mean it should be. Change for the sake of change often has unanticipated side effects that are less than optimal.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but this isn't necessarily true. I've done UX at some bigger SaaS companies in the bay area (and before that learned from some Apple UX designers myself) and most of the time UX designers do a lot of work on the front-end to pick a direction and then ignore "general" feedback until an actual release. Most designers I know, once they're working on things at this level wouldn't go looking for feedback, especially on a forum like this. And in my experience, Apple's UX teams are this times 100.
I will say, though, that when I started teaching UX myself, Apple figured heavily in my ideal examples, and every time I teach a new class I've pared that back. I don't think I'll be showing much macOS if it keeps looking like this.
Unless something's state of affairs is less than optimal already, methinks. Mac OS', and frankly, most other designs out there, including the Web, have been subpar since the advent of the 'flat' aesthetic.
Microsoft may have started that, but theirs was a mostly text-based implementation, which served the purpose of legibility. Apple and company followed by stripping their UIs heavily relying on graphics of both the text labels and the graphics themselves. Oversimplification is still an -over.
P.S. As much as I respect Sir Jony, putting him in charge of Apple's UI design instead of the actual expert Forstall was, and doing so out of spite over some internal 'beef', was a 'red flag' already.
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Why do you have the scrollbars turned off in Sequoia but turned on in Tahoe? Not really a fair comparison. Plus you don't have the columns set to the same width.
that was a mistake, I've fixed it so they are identical. you still lose a column in Tahoe because the sidebar and preview are larger