MP 1,1-5,1 M.2 Blades for Music & Video Work

LABANA

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HI Guys! ...Finally I've order the HighPoint SSD7101A-1 ;-)..

Thanx everyone who helped me to reach this desicion!(Big up to tsialex & h9826790)

Now I'm Planning to buy 4 M.2 Blades and This is the concept behind!

2 X 500/512 to install High sierra and Mojave, and 2 X 1TB to Raid for working projects!

The list Around here is too confusing for me as non connoisseur, and I get lost, there are some very fast and good!

What I do?: I run a Music Studio and cut Video clips, with 4K quality now, so I need 2 very good reading 1TB minimun for setting a Raid and Improve the Speed on Working!

These are those I'm Planning to buy, looking at the price& Performance!

2 X 1000GB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro - As Raid

1 X 512GB Samsung 970 Pro - Mojave System

1 X 500GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus - High Sierra System

Any Opinion about a better decision??

the Samsung 970 Pro seems to be the most "famous" but... they are hoooot on the price to get 1Tb

the question is, what would you buy to be fast and stay on the best budget?
 

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The 970 EVO, not the Plus unless it's late enough so that you know it's been flashed with the firmware released last week. Otherwise, there are kernel panics. If you have a Win10 station so that you can flash the firmware, then the Plus is ok.

The 970 PRO has no benefit in a PCIe 2 bus except that it puts more money into Samsung's pocket. The 970 EVO is fine.
 
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The 970 PRO has no benefit in a PCIe 2 bus except that it puts more money into Samsung's pocket. The 970 EVO is fine.
He already bought a HighPoint SSD7101-A, so it's not PCIe 2.0 anymore and any PCIe 3.0 blades will work at full throughput.
 
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LABANA

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The 970 EVO, not the Plus unless it's late enough so that you know it's been flashed with the firmware released last week. Otherwise, there are kernel panics. If you have a Win10 station so that you can flash the firmware, then the Plus is ok.

The 970 PRO has no benefit in a PCIe 2 bus except that it puts more money into Samsung's pocket. The 970 EVO is fine.
THanx for The Answer... I went for these already!

I think I'll make it work somehow(with your help) ;-)

I was calculating the kind of work I do, and there's not much of writing unless Bouncing, but lots of reading from th SDDs, as I work with big 4k video Files!

Hopefully I can get easy enough the "How to Raid" those 2 X 1Tb Blades, and then, also will post some Benchmark data from my set up, in case can help anyone!

So, I will let you know if I can make it alone!

Sorry, I'm totally new on this deep technological stuff!
 

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Just a comment: most people that buy a 970PRO, the only remaining MLC drive, for using with a Mac Pro, buy it for the endurance of the cells and the sustained write speed, not the total throughput.

Anyone that have a workflow that make constant writes/deletions need a blade with greater endurance - in my use case, an Intel 660p, for example, with just 100TB write endurance will have write problems within months.
 
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Just a comment: most people that buy a 970PRO, the only remaining MLC drive, for using with a Mac Pro, buy it for the endurance of the cells and the sustained write speed, not the total throughput.
Nonsense.

In an enterprise server, I agree. This is an AV work station.
Anyone that have a workflow that make constant writes/deletions need a blade with greater endurance - in my use case, an Intel 660p, for example, with just 100TB write endurance will have write problems within months.
More nonsense. Again, this is possible in an enterprise server but will never happen in an AV machine.

If you wrote 55GB per day, every day. it would take you 5 years to exceed the rated wear point of a 100TB SSD. Do the math and you'll see it's correct. How many AV 5.1 workstations will ever do this? If you guessed None, that is also correct.

I don't like the 660p because it is too slow for a 2015 iMac (perfect for 2013–14 iMac or a mid-2015 MBP) but, in a RAID 0 configuration, that speed is not an issue. the fact that it's around $236 instead of $499 makes it the better choice.

Too many around here put way too much stock in extreme test results that have nothing to do with real world conditions. This is one of those instances.

The money spent on a 970 Pro is wasted here.
 
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Nonsense.

In an enterprise server, I agree. This is an AV work station.
More nonsense. Again, this is possible in an enterprise server but will never happen in an AV machine.

If you wrote 55GB per day, every day. it would take you 5 years to exceed the rated wear point of a 100TB SSD. Do the math and you'll see it's correct. How many AV 5.1 workstations will ever do this? If you guessed None, that is also correct.

I don't like the 660p because it is too slow for a 2015 iMac (perfect for 2013–14 iMac or a mid-2015 MBP) but, in a RAID 0 configuration, that speed is not an issue. the fact that it's around $236 instead of $499 makes it the better choice.

Too many around here put way too much stock in extreme test results that have nothing to do with real world conditions. This is one of those instances.

The money spent on a 970 Pro is wasted here.
That's not how it works in the real world and the problem is a lot more complex. It's not 55GB writes per day, this is a lab measurement that needs to be interpreted, but the quantity of writes in the same cell. If you have a 500GB drive and with just 50 GB free, you will kill the overprovisioning in months and not years even with the best cell write algorithm management when in a write bound workflow.
 

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That's not how it works in the real world and the problem is a lot more complex. It's not 55GB writes per day, this is a lab measurement that needs to be interpreted, but the quantity of writes in the same cell. If you have a 500GB drive and with just 50 GB free, you will kill the overprovisioning in months and not years even with the best cell write algorithm management when in a write bound workflow.
I think that it's more subtle than that.

If most of your files are static, and all the activity occurs with only the newest files - then yes, all of the erasures will be concentrated in the 10% free area.

If, however, older files are regularly deleted or replaced - then the "free space" is much more dynamic, and wear-leveling can be effective.

(Of course, extreme overprovisioning is good for the drives - but bad for your debit card.)
 
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I think that it's more subtle than that.

If most of your files are static, and all the activity occurs with only the newest files - then yes, all of the erasures will be concentrated in the 10% free area.

If, however, older files are regularly deleted or replaced - then the "free space" is much more dynamic, and wear-leveling can be effective.

(Of course, extreme overprovisioning is good for the drives - but bad for your debit card.)
Yes, that's dependent on the workflow, but I wanted to illustrate that the announced 100TB write endurance is a fallacy and only real in lab conditions.

One of the best examples of wear levelling gone bad is Samsung 840 and the first generation of Fusion drives. Both Samsung and Apple learned that the hard way. The final firmware for Samsung 840 actively rewrites the data stored in the background, killing wear levelling in the long run while the first Fusion drives just die with the extreme write needed by the buffer for the hard disk.
 
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HI Guys! ...Finally I've order the HighPoint SSD7101A-1 ;-)..

Thanx everyone who helped me to reach this desicion!(Big up to tsialex & h9826790)

Now I'm Planning to buy 4 M.2 Blades and This is the concept behind!

2 X 500/512 to install High sierra and Mojave, and 2 X 1TB to Raid for working projects!

The list Around here is too confusing for me as non connoisseur, and I get lost, there are some very fast and good!

What I do?: I run a Music Studio and cut Video clips, with 4K quality now, so I need 2 very good reading 1TB minimun for setting a Raid and Improve the Speed on Working!

These are those I'm Planning to buy, looking at the price& Performance!

2 X 1000GB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro - As Raid

1 X 512GB Samsung 970 Pro - Mojave System

1 X 500GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus - High Sierra System

Any Opinion about a better decision??

the question is, what would you buy to be fast and stay on the best budget?
The 1TB 970 Pro is superior to the 512GB part. check the benchmarks.

You can get better performance from a partitioned 1TB SSD split between two operating systems VS two 512GB SSD, potentially saving some $$$. 1TB drives usually have a better throughput vs their 512gb sibling.

If the 1TB pro is out of your price range, the 1TB 970 evo plus with the latest firmware update may give you better performance than the 512 GB 970 Pro. While there has been discussion of 970 evo plus compatibility since the release firmware, we lack testing and benchmarks of a working drive.

One more thing.. make sure you have a good 8gb or 10gb internal HDD setup with time machine to protect your work. While I've never lost a file stored on a SSD, I've only used Samsung. On the other hand, I've over-written files and would have lost days of effort without the use of time machine to restore a previous file state. Reliable storage is one thing, restoring for human factors is priceless!!!


Just a comment: most people that buy a 970PRO, the only remaining MLC drive, for using with a Mac Pro, buy it for the endurance of the cells and the sustained write speed, not the total throughput.

Anyone that have a workflow that make constant writes/deletions need a blade with greater endurance - in my use case, an Intel 660p, for example, with just 100TB write endurance will have write problems within months.
The main reason I picked up the 1TB 970 Pro was for the additional total throughput VS the 512GB 970 pro. Well.. that and the per write job endurance without the drive having to drop to slow ars performance after a sustained write.
 
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LABANA

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Just a comment: most people that buy a 970PRO, the only remaining MLC drive, for using with a Mac Pro, buy it for the endurance of the cells and the sustained write speed, not the total throughput.

Anyone that have a workflow that make constant writes/deletions need a blade with greater endurance - in my use case, an Intel 660p, for example, with just 100TB write endurance will have write problems within months.
Well... Yes I will have some kind of high workflow with Different protects I handle!

So I'm Happy I took the decision to spend a bit more... just even to be on the safe side...

Once Again Thanx Amigo!... Appreciate it!
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Nonsense.

In an enterprise server, I agree. This is an AV work station.
More nonsense. Again, this is possible in an enterprise server but will never happen in an AV machine.

If you wrote 55GB per day, every day. it would take you 5 years to exceed the rated wear point of a 100TB SSD. Do the math and you'll see it's correct. How many AV 5.1 workstations will ever do this? If you guessed None, that is also correct.

I don't like the 660p because it is too slow for a 2015 iMac (perfect for 2013–14 iMac or a mid-2015 MBP) but, in a RAID 0 configuration, that speed is not an issue. the fact that it's around $236 instead of $499 makes it the better choice.

Too many around here put way too much stock in extreme test results that have nothing to do with real world conditions. This is one of those instances.

The money spent on a 970 Pro is wasted here.
Hi Mike... Thanx for the Info...

As I've wrote before... I already bought those on the links... I'm just waiting to get them!

I think I am anyway on a very safe side, and on the other hand, Mathematically, If I under-use these blades, I will have them for longer period of time... so that's good for my pocket as well! ;-)

Gracias Señor... for the Imput and comment... Im learning!! on every word you guys say!
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The 1TB 970 Pro is superior to the 512GB part. check the benchmarks.

You can get better performance from a partitioned 1TB SSD split between two operating systems VS two 512GB SSD, potentially saving some $$$. 1TB drives usually have a better throughput vs their 512gb sibling.

If the 1TB pro is out of your price range, the 1TB 970 evo plus with the latest firmware update may give you better performance than the 512 GB 970 Pro. While there has been discussion of 970 evo plus we lack testing and benchmarks of a working drive.

One more thing.. make sure you have a good 8gb or 10gb internal HDD setup with time machine to protect your work. While I've never lost a file stored on a SSD, I've only used Samsung. On the other hand, I've over-written files and would have lost days of effort without the use of time machine to restore a previous file state. Reliable storage is one thing, restoring for human factors is priceless!!!




Speak for yourselfo_Oo_Oo_O The main reason I picked up the 1TB 970 Pro was for the additional total throughput VS the 512GB 970 pro. Well.. that and the per write job endurance without the drive having to drop to slow ars performance after a sustained write.
Hi Brother from far far away...!

Yes I know is superior, but For only installing the system... 1TB was too expensive for me!, that's why I went for the 512GB

And yes, I have an 8TB for Time machine, and everything is daily bucked up!

I just had too much things on the past with loosing my life on one click! ;-)

Thanx Again Master...

1 more thing!... As soon as I get my s*?t going on, I will try to benchmark the EVO PLUS on the Highpoint... I'm so looking forward!!
 

LABANA

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Guys...!

I dont know if you understand how flattered I'm by seen your discussions... I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HELP!...

I'm new on this forum thing and... It feels already Home with lots of mamas & Papas telling me what to do!...
I'm loving it!

Cause I know I you wont let me get a wrong step!... Even if I understand a 40% of your Issues! ;-)

Gracias a todos!