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We are hopefully going to be to play most of the 64 bit games on steam but not the most graphicsl intensive titles but that has never been the case so we are really missing out.
 
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Well they are benchmarking against old generation AMD, ATI cards

those cards had been released at 2017

Nowadays both AMD, Nvidia play muuuch higher

amazing chipsets for a mobile phone, no doubt

Xbox Ones Series S = 4 teraflops at 300 euros (and it includes other hardware apart from the graphic card)

Xbox One Series X = 12 teraflops

Custom PC = 20 teraflops (and isn't the highest you can get with a single video card)
The GeForce 1050ti was released on October 2016, so actually a four year old design (Radeon rx560 was May 2017). Although good for integrated graphics, as you say some way behind the latest console and PC performance and you can’t even expand the internal storage, something the PS5 allows. It does make the Mac mini an odd buy, especially without being able to use an eGPU.
 
My desktop is an RX580 and 6700k, which is usually enough power.

I was considering building a 9900k system with vega 56.

The way things are looking I might just save that money and see what Apple comes up with next. 14" MBP or Retina iMac will probably be the target for me.
 
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Palm thought they were playing a numbers game - as long as you have the higher performance at a lower price, you're better. They were oblivious that fullscreen multitouch would be game changing.

There's nothing game changing here though. It's a simple CPU/GPU switch - the numbers are everything. Intel might be screwed - they've grown totally complacent over the past 15 years since they've had no competition. But Nvidia has always had competition - they've never had a chance to be become complacent. Also, I've never looked into Nvidia's financials, but I suspect their consumer stuff is a small part of what they do, and Apple probably isn't interested in going after Nvidia's other activities.
An interesting tie between Nvidia and Apple M1: Nvidia is in the process of acquiring ARM Inc. (whose processor instruction set architecture Apple has licensed.)
 
What about the Vega on the high end iMacs?

I mean that's obviously still better at the moment - as will the 5600M be on the 16" MBP. But of course next they'll need to do 16core CPU and GPU, or maybe dual processors (if that's plausible) so I suspect they'll eventually get there.
 
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The GTX 1050 series was a budget card in 2016. I don’t remember it being recommended for gaming even at the time, unless budget was a serious constraint.

In all fairness, Apple are nearly always at the root of every spat. They simply don’t know how to meet other companies half way and while that’s worked out, it doesn’t make it right to go blaming other companies for Apples historically poor graphics offerings.
 
Well they are benchmarking against old generation AMD, ATI cards

those cards had been released at 2017

Nowadays both AMD, Nvidia play muuuch higher

amazing chipsets for a mobile phone, no doubt

Xbox Ones Series S = 4 teraflops at 300 euros (and it includes other hardware apart from the graphic card)

Xbox One Series X = 12 teraflops

Custom PC = 20 teraflops (and isn't the highest you can get with a single video card)
For what thermal enveloppe ? Or what amount of Power?

It's like trying to compare a smart with A Porsche...
Both are cars, not really the same use case... or Price.

The question is for Light or Small form factor computers is that good?

Lets compare it to NUC numbers (The regular one with iGPU and the Skull ones with dedicated GPU)
 
Whilst it's positive news, the 1050 ti is a budget card from over 5 years ago. Hardly a great comparison. Apple will need to do much better when it comes to accommodating for 3D professionals using Redshift and Octane, although that is a very small percentage.
 
I really hope Mac Mini with M1 would sustain good video encoding performance.. The reason I'd buy it.
 
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It's not hyperbole to say that Apple Silicon can upend the entire CPU/GPU industry. If they can do this with an entry-level chip, who knows how far they can can go with a high-end chip? How are the likes of Intel and AMD going to respond to keep their customers happy?
 
...that’s it? 1050ti is not impressive at all
For an iGPU that is fantastic, the M1 is the base model CPU w/ an iGPU from Apple. What will be interesting is to see if Apple will simply expand the capability of their high end chip or if they will also develop a dedicated GPU to pair with their high-end chips.

The other aspect Apple needs to prove they can develop is things like ray tracing and other eye candy.

Honestly, it is actually very impressive what Apple has produced for anyone who is paying attention to details.
 
Sure it doesn't compare well with the latest, most expensive GPUs. Still pretty impressive for a low end mobile Mac chip – very eager to see what they plan for higher priced models. Keep in mind these machines are not designed to be gaming PCs but optimized to handle everyday tasks for as long as possible on a single battery charge.

I remember some rumors about Apple at least considering to move also into the lucrative gaming market. I've been skeptical back then. But if they manage to scale this up in a new gaming-specific device (Apple TV Arcade), where power draw basically doesn't matter since it's always connected, this suddenly feels much more realistic.

Also if they put the same money on the table to get AAA games exclusive as they do for TV+ and stick to that strategy, this could become another nice business pillar for them long-term.
 
Well they are benchmarking against old generation AMD, ATI cards

those cards had been released at 2017

Nowadays both AMD, Nvidia play muuuch higher

amazing chipsets for a mobile phone, no doubt

Xbox Ones Series S = 4 teraflops at 300 euros (and it includes other hardware apart from the graphic card)

Xbox One Series X = 12 teraflops

Custom PC = 20 teraflops (and isn't the highest you can get with a single video card)

Absolutely! And that's why consumers contemplating the purchase of a new Acura TLX need to do so within the performance context of a BMW M8 or Porsche Turbo S.
 
I'm continued to be excited for those of who are getting an Apple Silicon Mac this week and can't wait to hear your feedback. I'm even more excited about the future of the silicon which Apple will put in the 16" MBP and 27" iMac.
 
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If (and it's a reasonably big 'if') the M1 can sustain performance at 1050ti levels, then that's potentially pretty exciting news for gamers.

That's a level where you can play just about any modern game at low or medium settings and resolution. It's not going to impress compared to a 3090, but for game publishers it means that the Mac market for AAA titles suddenly grows from iMac and 15/16 inch MacBook owners to every single owner of a new Mac.

I hope this will represent a tipping point where AAA game publishers might actually return to the Mac over the coming years for their biggest titles.
 
I feel like the M1 performance so far seems incredibly impressive, but it also shows how little effort Apple was putting into Macs for the last few years.

It’ll definitely be interesting to see what the more powerful chips with better graphics can do though.
 
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