Or you know. Apple treating turn off as actually TURN OFF! I hate fast startup. Gives me a lot of problems on Windows.
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M1 chip fast my ass...
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This line of thinking needs to stop. Macs are perfectly fine for gaming. Stardew Valley, Terraria, Factorio. These are games are they not? The problem comes when devs of say Halo don’t port to macos. There is nothing inherently wrong with macOS and gaming. It’s market share. Take me for example. I’m writing a game right now and I’m targeting windows only. Why? More potential sales.
Well, for a while the problem was lack of performance and debugging difficulties. But Apple Silicon kind of makes these moot.
Not really. It’s all about devs. I have used macs exclusively for years and have been able to game just fine. And not just the games I listed. But WoW and StarCraft 2 to name a couple more. A Mac with a AMD 5700 XT is equivalent to my PC with a 5700XT.
Yep my arse
The M1 is what it is, an Ultrabook format with 20 hours battery life, has hex/octa core Intel performance on 55 watt for the entire system. My Intel multicore portables can pull 90W on the CPU in isolation.
My 17" Asus workstation can get close, with a battery life of 3 hours on a good day if I'm lucky...
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The M1 is what it is, an Ultrabook format with 20 hours battery life, has hex/octa core Intel performance on 55 watt for the entire system. My Intel multicore portables can pull 90W on the CPU in isolation.
My 17" Asus workstation can get close, with a battery life of 3 hours on a good day if I'm lucky...
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I always turn off fast startup. It usually causes more problems than it's worth, and depending on how often you boot, it's probably not useful anyway.
I have to admit I only use Windows occasionally, what is fast startup? And what are they doing to get it?
Mostly a load of nonsense only time I reboot my Mac's or PC's is when the provider stipulates. W10 is more frequent yet not as painful as some would make out to be. The whole concept of what boots faster is a joke as both W10 & macOS offer solid solutions. Frankly I have zero interest in boot time. What actually counts is productivity
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It is on by default, and this page does a good job explaining what it is, and why you might want to disable it: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
The jist is that it's a tweaked version of hibernation, rather than true shutdown.
It's part of Windows 10. It's kind of a hibernate.
The Pros and Cons of Windows 10's "Fast Startup" Mode
Windows 10's Fast Startup (called Fast Boot in Windows 8) works similarly to the hybrid sleep mode of previous versions of Windows.
www.howtogeek.com
Then just replace the battery, it's free after all, at least on professional models which are sold to businesses, usually T/P series at about 40% off retail, similar to Dell.
MacBooks had their share of massive problems, even considering they're a niche. And not just MacBooks, those before as well.
In terms of hardware, sure. Software depends. No developer would opt for OpenGL/Vulkan if DirectX is available to them and there can be differences there. One is highly optimized for games, make a wild guess which...
That again is up to devs. Just like I still have some games that are PS3 ports on windows still are horrible performance. And it’s why the newer Dooms run on butter even on one of my older Windows PCs. Windows doesn’t inherently make games better. It’s dev performance optimization.In terms of hardware, sure. Software depends. No developer would opt for OpenGL/Vulkan if DirectX is available to them and there can be differences there. One is highly optimized for games, make a wild guess which...
Long, long ago, a few megs of ram was enough for an entire room of terminals.
Point: comparisons of raw performance across platforms are meaningless; it's about the fluidity and how quickly you can work in real life. One thing the M1 plus macOS killer combo does really well is opening apps, and reducing latency in general.
If you use a laptop for supercomputing, then good for you. But more benchmark performance is not gonna help you write the thesis that's due Tuesday any better, especially not if the OS is not as optimised.
Point: comparisons of raw performance across platforms are meaningless; it's about the fluidity and how quickly you can work in real life. One thing the M1 plus macOS killer combo does really well is opening apps, and reducing latency in general.
If you use a laptop for supercomputing, then good for you. But more benchmark performance is not gonna help you write the thesis that's due Tuesday any better, especially not if the OS is not as optimised.
My MacPro server has been running since June , My iMac M1 which is still under test to be honest running Monterey gets the updates as and when, other than that simply sleeps - I have rarely rebooted any Mac since 10.2 and my daul boot iMac G4 !The M1 is fast yes, but the boot time of macOS as got worse every year...
To be frank I see the boot screen so rarely a couldn't give a fig on how quickly it loads.
Enterprise developers should have been working on 64-bit versions of their software years ago. Many were. Everywhere I developed software, we were trying to bring the best to each customer, not stick to the past.
Desktop systems on their own are another matter but if you're a connected enterprise, you want everything to work together smoothly. I've been using SAP products over the past four years and I can't believe what a mess they are. Then again, they were a mess 20 years ago.
This M1 is about reduced energy usage whilst maintaining indeed improving per watt performance
Sure but market share and performance are closely linked here because yeah, my iMac with the Radeon 5700 XT runs games fine. But of the already somewhat small market share of Macs, the MacBook Air and 13" Pro make up the majority of machines and prior to M1 their gaming performance was horrendous (regardless of OS) So it is a problem of performance in the sense that the most common Macs have had bad performance in gaming tasks.
BTW for your game, what's your development environment? In a lot of cases you can target multiple platforms with minimal effort
Yes, but in this case the developers from Apple, Microsoft and the Khronos group.
Its being implemented in MonoGame. Its not that I am limited to Windows only (because MonoGame does support other platforms), its just the extra R&D and Testing time for macOS outweighs my projected plan. Eventually I might port it to macOS, but that is not the plan right now.
The Apple/Microsoft and other devs on that side do not inheritably make games perform better. I can create a basic Pong clone in 10 minutes with HORRIBLE performance in Windows by doing things the wrong way. The fact that I create it on Windows doesn't automatically give it the "perfect performance" stamp. Dev optimization is the key here. Why games like GTA 5 and Doom 2016 worked on a mid-high range system with 144fps at 1080p, yet a similar game with LESS visuals performs worse since it is a half baked PS3/PS4 port.
Makes perfectly good sense. If you eventually get to a point where a Mac port is in the cards, contact us as the MacGameCast and we'd love to have you on as a guest and chat about your game on the show. We've had indie devs on before and I think it makes for good episodes
That is true. Assuming every developer is doing the best they can, ultimately the limit is the way the underlying technology works. So the limit is DX, OpenGL/Vulkan and Metal. And for games, DX makes things "very easy".
Doubt you're getting 20 hours on the M1 running Cinebench.
AMD 5800H with 3.2GHz base clock but capped at ~2.5GHz draws ~27W CPU package power scores 8304 multi-core. Too bad I can't slow it down even more to match the M1 otherwise power consumption will be close while the AMD is 7nm and M1 5nm. Cinebench is a silly metric anyway since it's a CPU renderer when everything is GPU accelerated these days. Lets see how the M1 whatever render Doom Eternal, BF2042, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.
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