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Let’s not bash Intel. They did a good job powering the Mac for many years. Quantum leaps like this happen every so often in computing. ARM Apple have done a fantastic job.
FIFY!

ARM only provides the instruction set. The performance kudos goes to Apple engineering.
 
I hope iFixit has someone in Oz to buy one and hop on a plane to the US so we can get the teardown early.
I guess you haven't read the news...we're locked in here :-(

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Not sure so many people complain with the white bezel.
White iMac was around for many years and it was great. I can’t say I really prefer the black bezel. More or less the same for me.
 
I mean let’s have some perspective here. This is an Intel 8th gen, the 8700. Desktop chips are on 10th/11th gen now which would be a better comparison.

i7 10700

1262
Single-Core Score
7759
Multi-Core Score

i7 11700

1562
Single-Core Score
9219
Multi-Core Score


This isn’t to say the M1 isn’t competitive because it is, especially when you consider M1 is entry level and sips power. But comparisons like the article aren’t great when the previous model wasn’t refreshed for ages.
A direct comparison to the product its replacing is the best comparison possible, in my opinion. And the 21.5 iMac was last refreshed in 2019. Also worth mentioning that the M1 is essentially a mobile chip. It's the equivalent of the Intel U series chips.
 
Also - I love the white bezel. Has always been like this and its still great after all those years.
Thus springs up a another marketplace solution iMac 24" Skins & Wraps (2021)

Tim Cook once said, "An iMac customer can have bezels in any color that they want, so long as they're white." Baffled by this declaration, Apple's product designers had no choice but to make it a reality with the iMac 24" (2021). White display bezels, a huge chin, and an off-color stand combine forces to create a profoundly ugly 24" iMac that nobody's happy with... except for us. After all, we have an unprecedented opportunity to capitalize with our new 2021 iMac skins: made using the same high-quality 3M vinyl that you associate with dbrand. This premium material offers a whole lot more than the black iMac bezels you've been wishing for: our 24" iMac skins also boast unmatched scratch protection, superior fingerprint resistance, and a patented adhesive that guarantees no gluey residue upon removal. Of course, none of that matters when you're really just buying iMac skins to fix the bezels. Checkmate, Tim.
Oh my! :D
 
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they will likely need a process improvement to eek out significantly more single core performance. i would expect they add more lower performance cores.

i have heard no confirmation of widespread ssd use or wear issue.
It’s just as likely a bug in smartmontools.
I doubt that they will add more low performance efficiency cores. They have about 10% of the power of the performance cores and are designed to process low priority background tasks. Adding more would probably have no perceivable impact on overall performance. Adding performance cores on the other hand, which is what we expect in the next MBPs and larger iMac will have a huge difference.

You haven't heard of any confirmation of SSD usage and wear issues? Did you miss this 100+ page thread???? https://forums.macrumors.com/thread....2284893/page-104?post=29874488#post-29874488

The usage issue is real and measurable by multiple tools. Whether this will lead to catastrophic SSD failure within a couple of years is, as yet, unconfirmed, because we don't know the TBW specs of the SSDs that Apple is using, but there is real concern about the possibility.
 
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That's just unreal. These are perfect for almost anyone that wants a Mac and doesn't consider themself a Pro.
wrong. for the Pro out there that use their computers for regular works (lower, accountants writers marketing, sales, managers, academics, etc) those are pros to.... what you mean by pros is the people whose professions need powerful computers...
 
If you are into clock rate numbers, as it sounds like you are, sure. If you're into performance, especially for an entry level machine, it's outstanding.


"It demonstrates the lack of headroom, the lack of progress in 6 months."

You should send some feedback and a heads-up to Johny Srouji.
I am probably older than you. I have been through MANY Apple CPU transitions, both family progression and architecture switches

1st: the 030 series 32bit “X series”
2nd: 040 series Motorola “Quadra”
3rd: PPC 601/603/604
4th: G3
5th: G4
6th: G5
7th: Intel Core
8th: Intel Core i

And after over 8 months, selling exactly the same chip, at the same speed, in just a few more models, is kind of unprecedented. No speed improvement at all. No architecture improvement at all.
 
I'll stick with the 10 core i9 and 16GB vram 5700xt, thanks. And it runs 10.15.7 so bootcamp and egpu's are still supported, external display support isn't nerfed, and it doesn't need a translation layer to run most apps.
Only 16GB Ram? :)
 
But they won’t so you won’t be buying one, probably because you don't have any intention of buying anything anyway.
Not true. I have been asking for and waiting for a redesigned iMacs for years. You are making a totally unjustified assumption with absolutely no evidence.

If I don’t like the redesigned 27” version I will sadly have to buy something else instead.
 
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Might as well get one now if you like iMacs and don’t want to pay over $2000 for more speed. Apple keeps the low end chugging along with mostly insignificant speed bumps on all its products. I can still see this iMac running an M1 for three or four years before a more significant bump occurs. They will probably change nothing on the motherboard except the firmware that tells it to run overclocked.
 
And after over 8 months, selling exactly the same chip, at the same speed, in just a few more models, is kind of unprecedented. No speed improvement at all. No architecture improvement at all.
The first M1 Macs were released 176 days ago. That’s not even 6 months.
 
Competitive in 2021 means not only benchmarking against Intel. At approximately the same CPU package price point. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X :

1677 ( just 52 'points' ( ~ 3% ) off of iMac M1)
Single core score.
10432 ( so 2973 'points' ( ~ 40 ) faster than iMac M1 )


[ even Ryzen 5 5600X is in completitve range 1620 single but still over on multiple-cores at 8197 . And would have cost savings on money to put toward a dGPU. ]

I am a bit of an AMD fan and run a Ryzen 5 3600 on my hackintosh. Just remember that the AMD chips will have much higher power draw and run far hotter than the M1. Even my chip, which takes less power than those Ryzen 7 models, requires a reasonably sized HSF and even with a high-end aftermarket cooler will run between 35-80C.

I believe AMD rate the 5800X as a 105W chip, whilst the M1 draws 7-15W?
 
I can't wait until some tech blogger starts complaining about the "foot" (stand) or the "ears" (side bezels) or the "tail" (power cord) so people can all start suddenly fixating on that.

Face it: the word "chin" wasn't in your vocabulary of computer design terms until you all started reading it on the internet and were told it was bad. :rolleyes:
 
I am probably older than you. I have been through MANY Apple CPU transitions, both family progression and architecture switches

1st: the 030 series 32bit “X series”
2nd: 040 series Motorola “Quadra”
3rd: PPC 601/603/604
4th: G3
5th: G4
6th: G5
7th: Intel Core
8th: Intel Core i

And after over 8 months, selling exactly the same chip, at the same speed, in just a few more models, is kind of unprecedented. No speed improvement at all. No architecture improvement at all.


"And after over 8 months, selling exactly the same chip, at the same speed, in just a few more models, is kind of unprecedented."

Over 8 months? Let's see... I ordered my M1 MBA on launch day and received it on Dec 3rd, 2020. M1 iMacs are in the process of being delivered right now. That's a little over six months. Why the need to exaggerate? Yes, you probably are older than me.

Tim Cook said the transition would take two years. Allegedly M2 CPUs are in the process of being fabbed at TSMC, which I expect will take 2-3 months. You may not be aware the M1 is Apple's first soc CPU. No doubt in my mind there will be large screen iMacs using the M2 delivered later this year and will offer a substantial increase in performance over the entry level M1 iMac.

If you don't find that amazing, you can always contact Johny Srouji at Apple and give him a piece of your mind. :)
 
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