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Hmm, not sure. Maybe they are using four 8GB chips instead of two like the M1. Or maybe someone besides Samsung makes them? Good catch.
Most likely using 4 x 8GB memory chips. Likely have to give up some latency advantage as there're definitely delays incurred when trying to move memory from chip to CPU's memory controller via mux circuitry. I don't think it is using a wide memory bus.

For the M1, it looks like it is using a 128-bit data channel supplied by both 4/8GB LPDDR4X memory chip. Each access of memory will send 128-bit data from/to memory to/from M1 with minimal access latency.
 
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Thanks to both of your replies.

So far I only found Samsung, to manufacture a 12 GB LPDDR4X module nad SK Hynix... (than can be combined for a total capacity of up to 96 GB). SK Hynix also has 24 GB packages.

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So Microsoft is probably really using 4 x 8 GB chips or even 3 x 12 GB.
 
Guys, this changes literally nothing. It's the same as RAM and SSD upgrades on other MacBooks with soldered memory and storage. It's possible, but not for the average user. Technically, you could upgrade iPhone storage this way if you really wanted.

However, it would become an issue if they locked the SSD and RAM chips to their respective machines, similarly to how they do that with Touch ID sensors. But, they don't, so... no issue.

Anyway, it is "possible" to upgrade the storage and memory on these new computers using this method, although it is incredibly risky. Also, I assume only people with a lot of experience in microsoldering could get this done without breaking something. You know, like Louis Rossmann or something.
I thinks this opens up the door for repair shops to offer ram and ssd upgrades. I can see this being useful if you want to upgrade the ram after some years but don’t want to buy a new Mac.
 
It's good news for me as I live in a country where the 16GB option costs $700, yet there's a lot of skilled technicians and soldering artists living here. Almost makes this viable. Especially if the guy is confident. Not sure how much the RAM costs but you could be making some money by buying cheaper versions and upgrading the RAM and selling them. Warranty is an issue of course.

For comparison the guy I know here just took the LCD out of the top case, and put it in another top case, fixing the webcam in the process. This is also supposed to be near impossible because the LCD is glued in there, and breaks really easily. But he did a flawless job for $60.

Anyway in countries like here and China where labor is cheap and Macs have bizarre pricing (base version is almost the same price as USA, but any customization is $700 more... huh)... it makes sense ;)

Otherwise I'd say just buy the better machine in the first place
 
Okay, folks, where can I get those ssd chips? if it's so easly replacable by just soldiering to the board...where can I get it?
 
My concern with some of the reports of really high ssd usage due to memory swapping is the longevity of that drive. I’d hate for the drive to fail in under 5 years and require an entirely new motherboard. Time will tell how big of an issue that will be.

I always caution anyone of buying any piece of computer equipment that they cannot easily swap the storage / SSD.

even without the possible M1 write issues, as a rebuyer, we simply do not know the load and work that an SSD was put under while in use by someone else.

When the chip is completely non-replacable, this means that buying this device second hand is a gamble. you could get something that's in prestine condition, but you also have the liklihood of having a device at 50% lifespan or worse.

And if you bought used, the only recourse you may have if that drive fails is a new computer itself. its a risk and I would only buy a used Apple computer now if it were significantly cheaper than they used to resell for.
 
It's good news for me as I live in a country where the 16GB option costs $700, yet there's a lot of skilled technicians and soldering artists living here. Almost makes this viable. Especially if the guy is confident. Not sure how much the RAM costs but you could be making some money by buying cheaper versions and upgrading the RAM and selling them. Warranty is an issue of course.

For comparison the guy I know here just took the LCD out of the top case, and put it in another top case, fixing the webcam in the process. This is also supposed to be near impossible because the LCD is glued in there, and breaks really easily. But he did a flawless job for $60.

Anyway in countries like here and China where labor is cheap and Macs have bizarre pricing (base version is almost the same price as USA, but any customization is $700 more... huh)... it makes sense ;)

Otherwise I'd say just buy the better machine in the first place
All good advice to buy the machien you need up front and not "plan" future upgrades if you need the performance now


To your first set of points. you can find competent technicians who can do Apple upgrades pretty much everywhere. The problem is, especially in North America, Apple's "home". They are far stricter with enforcing their certification requirements and forcing non-certified repair places out of business.

Apple has in the past blockaded and had governments refuse imports of "fake" stuff that could be used to repair Apple computers. Apple will outright void and refuse service on anything not serviced by them or a certified tech. They also limit how many techs are in any given area. And for technicians, Apple also doesn't let them stock pile required components that they could easily fix, requiring the techs themselves to verify directly with Apple whether they shoudl repair or not a product or guide the user to buy a replacement.

the problem is the world has enough people technically capable of fixing / repairing Apple's stuff. Apple just has a business practice that prevents that or their own avarice.
 
I always caution anyone of buying any piece of computer equipment that they cannot easily swap the storage / SSD.

even without the possible M1 write issues, as a rebuyer, we simply do not know the load and work that an SSD was put under while in use by someone else.

When the chip is completely non-replacable, this means that buying this device second hand is a gamble. you could get something that's in prestine condition, but you also have the liklihood of having a device at 50% lifespan or worse.

And if you bought used, the only recourse you may have if that drive fails is a new computer itself. its a risk and I would only buy a used Apple computer now if it were significantly cheaper than they used to resell for.
You could simply run a utility to see the history of reads/writes when arranging to buy it used.

Thing is, you shouldn’t need to do this; the fact we’re even discussing it is a failure on Apple’s part.
 
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You could simply run a utility to see the history of reads/writes when arranging to buy it used.

Thing is, you shouldn’t need to do this; the fact we’re even discussing it is a failure on Apple’s part.
And how do you convince someone who is trying to sell you the device on a 3rd party market to provide that information. a lot of the purchasing is done "sight unseen". you will only know how badly your device was used until after you receive it.

Like there's a current digital coinage that uses SSD writes as part of it's processing. it'll absolutely demolish an SSD's lifespan to months. We won't know if someone was doing this till it's too late.

simply put. I can never in good faith ever recommend buying a device (within reason) that has a SSD that cannot be swapped. any storage honestly.

I GET IT for phones. there's a legitimate space issue there, and a lifespan of them is short. A completely different environment completely from actual computers.
 
And how do you convince someone who is trying to sell you the device on a 3rd party market to provide that information. a lot of the purchasing is done "sight unseen". you will only know how badly your device was used until after you receive it.

Like there's a current digital coinage that uses SSD writes as part of it's processing. it'll absolutely demolish an SSD's lifespan to months. We won't know if someone was doing this till it's too late.

simply put. I can never in good faith ever recommend buying a device (within reason) that has a SSD that cannot be swapped. any storage honestly.

I GET IT for phones. there's a legitimate space issue there, and a lifespan of them is short. A completely different environment completely from actual computers.
I’d buy it off craigslist or FB marketplace and meet them somewhere and run the tool at the Starbucks or wherever we meet.
 
Its interesting that its possible but that seems like an extremely risky move. A logic board replacement costs almost as much as the laptop itself, I'd much rather wait until the next iteration comes to upgrade the SSD/RAM
 
Did it occur that the rest of us can take them to those people to have it done?

That YouTube guy I posted, TronicsFix, does it all the time and is doing on things like consoles that cost a lot less than Apple products. It can’t be that much of a problem if he’ll do it for a device worth $200.
It’s not how much the device costs that he’s doing it for that’s an indicator. It’d be MORE interesting to know how much he would charge someone else to do it and the insurance he allows on his work. He got the other memory from another Mac, right? So, he’d have to first buy a Mac that has the capacity memory a customer’s looking for. I’m thinking that cost would be passed along to the purchaser.
 
It’s not how much the device costs that he’s doing it for that’s an indicator. It’d be MORE interesting to know how much he would charge someone else to do it and the insurance he allows on his work. He got the other memory from another Mac, right? So, he’d have to first buy a Mac that has the capacity memory a customer’s looking for. I’m thinking that cost would be passed along to the purchaser.
You can’t buy the memory chip from somewhere else? How can another Mac be the only source of RAM?
 
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You can’t buy the memory chip from somewhere else? How can another Mac be the only source of RAM?
The DRAM may not be, but the NAND chips are specific to Apple’s use and as such carry specific part numbers. Trying to find who sources them and if it’s even possible to purchase them from a supplier, which I highly doubt, is not worth that kind of effort. This is way more proof of concept than an actual thing anyone should do. Buy what you need at POS and you’ll be much happier.
 
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What if we invented DIMM slots and M.2 connectors 🤔

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I can remember back in the 8086 days expanding ram on Novell servers using a custom ISA card with 8 30 pin memory slots. Much like memory risers in servers today only they were ISA and then later PCI for a little while until they disappeared. I am wonder king how hard it would be to use for example a usb control chip ton interface non the computer end with a module holding ram as an expansion. 🤔
 
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How narrow does your peep hole into the world of technology have to be to make this assertion based on what Apple has just demonstrated they will be delivering.
Just ignore him, at some point somebody from apple pooped in his coffee and he can’t get over it.
 
How narrow does your peep hole into the world of technology have to be to make this assertion based on what Apple has just demonstrated they will be delivering.
Idc about that, it’s the price that’s not right.. when Apple moved to making their own processors, the pricing I was told was coming down since Intel is out of Apple.. Apple no longer royalty prices has to pay.
 
Buy a PC. Windows 11 is supposedly super nice o_O
Really, i DON'T need computer anymore.. its so sad Apple wants to keep a lot away from its M1 processor by JACKING THE PRICE to the STRATOSPHERE.. AND SINCE WE ARE IN MIDDLE OF PANDEMIC I am surprised fools like those on here are spending 6000 dollars on a Piece of Crap paperweight which you can't upgrade. Many reasons why I DESPISE Apple of today and want it to just die - Not only is it a tech giant now, but they don't care about their user base.. BUT IN THE END OF THIS - UNDERSTAND ONE THING - APPLE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE MAC, AS THE I TOYS + IPHONES MAKE MOST OF THEIR MONEY. MAC IS 10 PERCENT OF THE MARKET AND ALWAYS WILL BE. I liked the Apple of Steve Jobs. Cook is not an innovator, and his keynotes are ABSOLUTELY VILE and filled with disgusting propaganda which tries to get even poor people to buy their overpriced junk.. Not saying M1 is junk, just they LIED and stated their computers, except MAC PRO will be more affordable for all since the move from Intel. I WAS WRONG AND WE WERE ALL LIED TO ! I LIVE IN UKRAINE AND I CAN BARELY AFFORD MY RENT, MUCH LESS A 6000 DOLLARS COMPUTER WHICH TO US IS OVER 150 HRYVEN'(UKRAINIAN MONEY).
 
With world-leading performance that can easily trump all competition in benchmarks.
Sure, they are junk.
The word here is OVERPRICED.. TELL ME ,DO YOU HAVE 6000 DOLLARS TO BLOW ? I DON'T AND MOST DON'T - AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE FOOD SHORTAGES.. WHO WANTS TO SPEND 6000 ON A NON-UPGRADABLE PAPER WEIGHT ??? Apple does not care.
 
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