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For home decoration, maybe. For electronics primary and secondary display is far more common than internal and external…

Besides, an internal screen wouldn’t be visible in regular device use. The display on a laptop is still external. I would consider the led codes on a motherboard and example of an internal display.

I’ll concede some people might use it, but it’s not common. It’s the equivalent of calling your appetizer fried pickle discs. You could make an argument for it, but you will likely get weird looks.
You are being too literal and missing the context. Time to give it up.
 
As a consumer I’m confused about which one is more powerful: the M1 Max or M1 Pro? Especially since the iPhone
Pro Max exists, not to mention the iPad Pro, which just has an M1. Apple has become really bad at naming products.
 
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I think a notch on the display would be unlikely. I'm sure those components would fit on the top bezel. Not as though it would matter to me if there was an iPhone-sized notch. I'd see it the first couple of days, but then I wouldn't even notice it. Fortunately, my eyes get accustomed to disregarding things like that. With Apple, you just never know what they're going to do. I would prefer a keycap unlock as it would be less obtrusive. I can't wait for tomorrow. I think Apple SoCs are awesome. I also want to see the CEO of Intel Corp. cry.
 
This is what happened with the M1 announcement. Everybody was stunned and ooohed and aaaahed then went back to the x86 world and continued as thought nothing happened.
Yep, does not matter how powerful the hardware is, if it does not run Pro software then it's still just a toy.
 
Idk, I think I prefer M1X and M1Z. They’re a bit snappier.

The “pro” and “max” monikers should be for device naming, not the chip itself.
 
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32% :p

But you could make this argument for any product. Why have an iPhone each year? Why an Apple Watch? Apple could save themselves a lot of "well, that was really just a minor upgrade" whining that way.

Why is the Mac special in that Apple is unwilling to upgrade it on an annual basis? (Some iPads, too.)

Sales and upgrade cycle, most likely.

The iPhone has over a billion active users, so you are came to still capture a significant number of upgraders every year.

The Apple Watch is estimated to be worn by roughly 1/10 of existing iPhone users, meaning there is still a huge untapped market for Apple to target.

All these justify the resources sunk into maintaining an annual upgrade cycle.

In contrast, the Macs and iPads have longer upgrade cycles and so Apple likely doesn’t see the need to refresh it annually. Putting the iPad on a 1.5 year cycle and the Macs on a 2-3 year cycle sounds about right. Especially when you realise that a 2-year old M1 chip is probably faster than whatever Intel can come up with at any rate.
 
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Ya generally agree that I think Apple is simply going to run out of thermal room for cpu+igpu at some point here. Keep in mind though that the 100w is total output of the entire machine, not just the cpu/igpu.

For comparison:
- 2019 16" macbook pro: I9-9980HK: 45w TDP
- 2020 13" M1 macbook pro/M1: Considered 10w TDP for the air. I think some estimates say 20-24w for the MBP models though?

My fear is that if the M1 with 4 performance cores is already ~20w running at full load, the M1X 8+2 core variant could hit 40w, putting it VERY close to the old i9 TDP.

Yes, it would be faster, but it wouldn't be cooler unless falling back to efficiency cores.

Am I missing something here? Are M1's in MBP13 pros running less than 20-25w TDP?
Yes. You're missing the fact that this would likely no longer have a dedicated GPU in there.
 
M1 Pro and M1 Max. Basically new marketing for M1X.

And as so many people rightly predicted based on solid logic and evidence, the MBP chip is OF COURSE based on the M1. And not anything newer. Remember people, these products existed a year ago from all reports. They are just exceptionally delayed.
 
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Kinda silly naming for the SoC. I mean why? And it will only confuse customers having to think whether Pro is better than Max or not.

On iPhone, it's easy. There are Pro and Pro Max. The Pro Max is just the larger version of the Pro.

Unless, the M1 Max and M1 Pro won't be used in the same lineup.
Eg. 27" M1 iMac will get M1 Max (instead of naming the computer as iMac Max). Makes sense as consumers see M1 on 24" iMacs. So 24" M1 iMac, and 27" M1 Max iMac.
Meanwhile, the Macbook Pros will get M1 Pro, to differentiate with the regular M1 on Macbook Air. So Macbook Air with M1, Macbook Pro (14" and 16") with M1 Pro (presuming the 13" Macbook Pro is discontinued, replaced by the 14"). This extends to the desktop as well with Mac mini having a regular Mx and future Mac Pro will get an Mx Pro SoCs.
 
I like this naming convention. It makes it easy to understand and immediately conveys the difference in chips. The interesting question is will there be a new M1 14 inch MacBook Pro, keep the current M1 13 inch, or discontinue the 13 inch with no M1 MacBook Pro? I will be purchasing a 14 inch MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro with 1 TB SSD. Can't wait.
Well, since the original MBP 13 sold 2-port low-end version and 4-port high-end version simultaneously, I think that M1 MBP13 and M1 [Pro/Max] MBP14 will sell at the same time too.
However, it will be interesting to see how it goes in the long term since having three sizes on MBP will be complicated, and the current M1 MBP13 and MBA really do not differentiate a lot. Probably wait and see if a new M2 MBP13 will release alongside the new M2 MBA?
 
Can’t wait to get my Macinnotch Notchbook Pro M1 Powernotch Max with 480p webcam and a notched trackpad with emojinotch display it will be the best Notchbook they have ever made!

That’s until the Notchbook MiniNotch comes out….

I'm holding out for the notcho grande
 
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Can't wait for my Mac Mini Pro Max
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Is that case repurposed/recycled from an unsold Mac Pro? Cool!
 
Someone needs to tell Apple that “Max” is an incredibly stupid appellation.
We won’t see any Max regarding any Macs - sounds stupid.
iPhone occupies the max names.
Don’t think they will name the chips with anything else then symbols, numbers and/or additional letters.
My guess.

A MacBook Pro with a M1Pro chip, just ridiculous.
 
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Ya generally agree that I think Apple is simply going to run out of thermal room for cpu+igpu at some point here. Keep in mind though that the 100w is total output of the entire machine, not just the cpu/igpu.

For comparison:
- 2019 16" macbook pro: I9-9980HK: 45w TDP
- 2020 13" M1 macbook pro/M1: Considered 10w TDP for the air. I think some estimates say 20-24w for the MBP models though?

My fear is that if the M1 with 4 performance cores is already ~20w running at full load, the M1X 8+2 core variant could hit 40w, putting it VERY close to the old i9 TDP.

Yes, it would be faster, but it wouldn't be cooler unless falling back to efficiency cores.

Am I missing something here? Are M1's in MBP13 pros running less than 20-25w TDP?
The max power consumption of the 16" i9 MBP was 102W with a Radeon 5500M https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...5500M-powered-multimedia-laptop.445902.0.html

For an M1 MBP, the same source measures 47.5W max:

A rough prediction says the max power output of an M1X (10 cores) with a 16-core GPU would be about double that, i.e., ~100W. And since the 16" i9 throttles with this power output, an M1X/16-core GPU inside a case with the currrent 16" Intel's TDP capacity would also throttle.

Thus, particularly if the AS 16" comes with a 32-core GPU, Apple may have designed it to have a higher TDP than the 16" Intel MBP. Correspondingly, if there is a differentiator between the the 14" and 16" AS MBP's, it may be that the 32-core GPU is only available in the latter.
 
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I think, basically this:

The timing gets very complex with the releases being staggered throughout the year, and needing to have multiple chip SKUs developed and produced in conjunction with the overall product development. That's why I think the M family of chips will be over a 2 year cycle, based on alternating A series architectures. Otherwise they will probably end up developing chips that don't get used in enough stuff unless they update every product every year, which would probably mean dropping some product lines so there's enough resources available. Even the size they are I don't think Apple has the capacity to constantly update such an expansive lineup continuously, at least not economically.

Could be, although they did do the 18-month cycle with the A*Xs in the iPads Pro.

I suppose they could do what Intel did (except on a more regular basis) and add a "Refresh" cycle every other year, where they simply bump the clock and/or the count of enabled cores, after TSMC's processes have been refined sufficiently.
 
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Sales and upgrade cycle, most likely.

The iPhone has over a billion active users, so you are came to still capture a significant number of upgraders every year.

The Apple Watch is estimated to be worn by roughly 1/10 of existing iPhone users, meaning there is still a huge untapped market for Apple to target.

All these justify the resources sunk into maintaining an annual upgrade cycle.

Right, I get that. I just think it'd be a bummer if Macs only get revised every 24 months.

In contrast, the Macs and iPads have longer upgrade cycles and so Apple likely doesn’t see the need to refresh it annually. Putting the iPad on a 1.5 year cycle and the Macs on a 2-3 year cycle sounds about right. Especially when you realise that a 2-year old M1 chip is probably faster than whatever Intel can come up with at any rate.

Sure.

(So far, it's looking like even Alder Lake will still put Intel about 1.5 years behind, while also drawing more power.)
 
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