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M1 Ultra Mac Studio vs. M1 Max MacBook Pro

Kabeyun said:
Do you really think you’d tax an M1 Ultra by using MS Office or even compiling code? These computers wouldn’t even notice.
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You can make any computer sluggish by having a suitably large and complicated Excel sheet. That, however, is not because the task itself would be exceedingly taxing for any computer with Apple Watch processing power or better.

But when it comes to code compiling, there are situations where a coder will just sit and wait for the computer to get the job done. Compiling the Linux kernel or Chromium takes a lot of time on almost any machine.

The bottleneck is not necessarily in the CPU power, though. Not everything can be parallelized, and some operations are very I/O intensive.
 
wyarp said:
I don’t know if it’s an American thing, but I’ve always been baffled when I come across ppl that pronounce it with a soft g, ie ‘jig.’ Partly I think because there used to be a cleaning product in the UK called ‘jif’, partly because it’s Graphics Interchange Format (hard g) and partly because it’s just obvious to pronounce it ‘gif’ with a hard g.
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You shouldn't be baffled - it's actually pronounced with a soft G (like Jif peanut butter). Per the guy who created the file format.
 
ikramerica said:
I do not believe you. Sorry

Had a 2 hr zoom meeting with my core i7 MBP yesterday on the desk on battery most of the way. Fans were quite loud by the end. For a zoom meeting. With no other programs running.

Intel MBPs get hot.

Which is why I love my M1 Pro 16”. It’s a paradigm shift of what a laptop can be.
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Your mileage may vary and some appear to run hotter than others. The 16" far more commonly than 13" 2019-ish and newer Intel models.

I had a 2020 i7 Air briefly before deciding to get the "newly released" at that time i5 10th gen MBP 13". Both ran cool as a cucumber then and the 13" still does

I do not run Chrome or Safari ultra pigish browsers, no resource hogging Creative Cloud or other background cloud syncing, very few browser plug-ins and monitor my CPU temps in historical graphing format. Only time my fans come on is in short bursts when copying/processing significant amounts of data or running Red Hat Openshift CRC. Otherwise no fan at all and no excessive heat. (I run clamshell connected to two 4k displays sometimes as well).

There are updates, plug-in's and other esoterica that can cause process nuttery that drives up temps. The few times I've encountered that, I immediately removed the offender.
 
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Trusteft said:
It's quite simple really.
Video editing is one of the most demanding things you can do with such a computer. I am not going to say it is the most demanding thing because I know as soon as I type that someone will reply with something else which is indeed even more demanding. But yes it is.
Seriously though, if a (in this case) mac can deal with heavy video editing then it most likely can deal with everything else too, apart perhaps from video gaming.
As to the actual export time. You don't always have as much time as you want to deliver a video. Time constraints at any point can be a reality. A few hours (for one project or multiple) saved during exporting can be a few hours you can do other things including...editing. Add to that that when you work for someone else you might be under extra pressure to deliver on time, export time can be quite important.
Say you need to reliver by 7am. For whatever reason you delivered by 5am. Only that the person paying you tells you of a last second change, or something you managed to miss, or whatever. So you not only have to do the change(s), but also export and deliver it on time. Of course before you deliver you have to check to make sure the exported video works and there are no glitches, noise, etc at any point. The longer the video the more time every one of these steps take. Depending on the details you can miss on the deadline, by far, and risk losing money and/or a client.

I am not saying I disagree with you with the focus that exporting time receives, but there is good reason it is there.

There is always the joke that (some) youtubers make videos on the video making capabilities of macs so show how good or bad they are at it, solely for the purpose of making videos on the subject. As an owner of a tiny channel on youtube, I find this hilarious though obviously not always true.
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Reduced rendering or export time is important. You can work closer to a deadline, or output more renders in the same time for a presentation.

For rendering, a fast machine also means you can render and still do more work without bogging down the computer, which is huge.
 
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kstotlani said:
I am surprised. Do you use zoom as audio only? I have GPU acceleration turned off in both zoom and teams but still my Mac could take off anytime with that fan speed. 2019 16” Mac.

It’s less when I don’t use an external 4K monitor but still a lot of heat and drains the battery. There are many with the same configuration in the office who complain that their battery lasts for less than 2 hours with zoom on.
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Video too, using a Samsung 34" Thunderbolt monitor, through an OWC Tunderbolt 4 dock. The only time I hear fans ramping up is when using virtual machines through vmWare Fusion. In boot camp, I also run Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, which causes fan action. But that game can melt even the most powerful rigs. (mine is a 64GB/8TB 8 core i9, AMD 5500m with 8GB.)
 
Freeangel1 said:
Why do people just focus on Video Editing for Macs and their performance in this area over everything else ??

Video Editing does not rule the world. Some of us work for Large companies and use computers for other things.

I find Video Editing boring and time consuming. I use my Computer to Edit Audio. Create DJ mixes and remixes.

Wavelab by Steinburg has always been the goto software for that. And LOGIC AUDIO does not rule and is the only software for Audio Pro's. Pro Tools is still widely used.
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You'd make a good tech reviewer on YouTube. They give results in every area other than Final Cut Pro.
 
demars said:
Well, in the days before the Internet was publicly available there were services like CompuServe which you used on a modem. In order to spice up the text-based service with the ability to, for instance, display what we now call an avatar or some such with your text messages, the GIF image format was born. GIF stands for Graphics Interchange Format so those of us (like me) who were using CompuServe BEFORE the web existed pronounced it with a hard G because we knew what it was short for and we also knew how to pronounce "Graphics".

The fact that the inventor of the GIF format mispronounced it is a fascinating factual tidbit that could be used as a trick questions on quiz shows!
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Oh, I was using Compuserve during those days and most people were pronouncing it with the soft-g. Wilhite wanted it pronounced like “Jif” peanut butter. Yes, we know where the acronym came from but pronunciation rules are based on the acronym, not necessarily on the source words. In this case there are two alternate pronunciations and the author chose one. I used that one for many years, but in recent years have started to shift to a hard-g to avoid having to explain to younger people what I mean.
 
Put it under maximum load 2 weeks in a super dusty environment simulating a year in a normal environment - and then test it.
Open it, show the inside and clean it, test it again :)
 
demars said:
Well, in the days before the Internet was publicly available there were services like CompuServe which you used on a modem. In order to spice up the text-based service with the ability to, for instance, display what we now call an avatar or some such with your text messages, the GIF image format was born. GIF stands for Graphics Interchange Format so those of us (like me) who were using CompuServe BEFORE the web existed pronounced it with a hard G because we knew what it was short for and we also knew how to pronounce "Graphics".

The fact that the inventor of the GIF format mispronounced it is a fascinating factual tidbit that could be used as a trick questions on quiz shows!
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That’s why I pronounce it with a hard G — although the fact that the inventor of the format chose to use a soft G makes a case for pronouncing it that way, too. As a professional editor who helps create standards for the large corporation where I work, I often have to decide among different spellings, capitalizations, and punctuations of terms. It isn’t always a clear-cut decision.

Similarly, I wonder why vegan is pronounced VEE-gan rather than VEH-jan, seeing as how it’s derived from vegetarian. And don’t even get me started on how I’m annoyed by mispronunciations such as nucular, re-la-tor, jew-lery, and so on.

As for the original topic of this post, my 2015 MBP is fast enough for everything I do. I assume that everyone else has the same needs as I do, so I don’t see why anyone needs a computer faster than that. ?
 
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Decent gain, and it looks like the Studio may edge out top of the line Intel notebook CPUs (but still get crushed by the best intel desktop CPUs). I guess this leaves some room for a new Mac Pro.
 
Ubele said:
That’s why I pronounce it with a hard G — although the fact that the inventor of the format chose to use a soft G makes a case for pronouncing it that way, too. As a professional editor who helps create standards for the large corporation where I work, I often have to decide among different spellings, capitalizations, and punctuations of terms. It isn’t always a clear-cut decision.

Similarly, I wonder why vegan is pronounced VEE-gan rather than VEH-jan, seeing as how it’s derived from vegetarian. And don’t even get me started on how I’m annoyed by mispronunciations such as nucular, re-la-tor, jew-lery, and so on.

As for the original topic of this post, my 2015 MBP is fast enough for everything I do. I assume that everyone else has the same needs as I do, so I don’t see why anyone needs a computer faster than that. ?
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Acronyms and portmanteaus are pronounced based on how they are spelled not necessarily based on how the source words were pronounced. That is, you pronounce based on the letters you see in the word, not not the etymology. The pronunciation of “vegetarian” is not what decides the pronunciation of “vegan”. “pluot” (plum + apricot) is pronounced with a long-u because that is what makes sense with those letters, not the short-u of “plum”.

For “gif” that could be ambiguous since, for historical reasons, some words with the “gi” phoneme use a soft-g and some use a hard-g. For his own reasons, the creator of the spec used the soft-g and for a long time that was what most people used, but words change over time based on usage and in recent years the trend has been to use the soft-g. The purpose is communication and I’m not going to get to hung up on one version or another.
 
Tagbert said:
Because the person who created the GIF format used the soft-g sound "jif" and for a long time that was how most people pronounced it. That was created in the late 80's by Steve Wilhite - who died just this past week.

In the decades since, new people coming into the web without knowing the background of the format, saw the name spelled and started pronouncing it with a hard-g. The "gi" combination can be pronounced with a hard=g as in "give" but can be pronounced with a soft-g as in "giant". In any case, the hard-g seems to have overtaken the original pronunciation.

BTW besides that cleaning product, there is also a well-known brand of peanut butter in the US called "Jif".
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I always used hard G, I never heard it pronounced with a soft g until I had more contact with South Americans and Europeans. (I've always lived in the U.S.)
 
vagos said:
100% spot on.

What about 3D, image editing, coding, office work and so on and so on...
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And I want to see more about communications performance, ethernet, wifi, wwan, and the utilities network engineers need to use. Just because it has built in 10Gb, it doesn't mean it can use it effectively, and ethernet performance hasn't been that good, especially for certain ethernet chipsets on Macs. Also Java performance.

But coding and general office work is important too!
 
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HelloMikee said:
Your field obviously doesn’t deal with deadlines. You’re asking YouTubers to think outside of their world, yet you’re not going beyond YouTubers when it comes to video export times. You do understand that more times than not, clients want it yesterday right?
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All clients want it yesterday, even if it's not video related.
 
bobcomer said:
All clients want it yesterday, even if it's not video related.
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Sure. So find the review that suits you then? If you’re in a niche market then that may prove difficult- but video is certainly a prominent and valid benchmark test. Just becuase you can’t find a channel that show a particular usage doesn’t void other real world usage statistics
 
jumpcutking said:
I can 100 & thousand% test these machines.

Trust me.

I bet one of them will see smoke.
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I should rephrase why…

I work with a ton of broadcast video, after effects promos, of which I tend to push the creative limits if any machine.

From a standpoint of performance to deadline I can probably compare those machines quite a bit. Thousands of vector based graphics rendering in one of the most intensive processes I know.

While I don’t do work in 3D and I feel like someone in that environment would be able to truely test it - vector rendering and such would be a good benchmark wants your AE file reaches like a thousand items.

Yes, I have done that.

But, if anyone has run the intensive AE in the max, I’d love to hear their feedback!
 
I am completely satisfied with my MacBook Pro Max computer. Would the Studio be a bit faster? Of course, but at what cost due to the loss portability? I need a computer that I can take on the road. My MBP with a iPad Pro as a side car extension provides that. With a studio I would still need a portable and have to deal with the added cost and frustration of keeping them equivalently configured with software and my data files in sync. No thank you. A couple of minutes saved during rendering a video just ain’t worth it to me. That’s more than enough time to step away for a coffee break or just read my email.
 
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