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M2 MacBook Air vs M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14”


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First of all, sorry this is gonna be a long post. But it is just about narrow subject only considering display technology trying to explain their differences and what are their limitations.


I would also say that for most people the mini led is a better screen over all. When they iron out the blooming and flicker/PWM in the mini led which I am sure they will then I think it might be the best display option out there.
Well it is, but all display technologies have their weaknesses and strenghts but blooming is more or less something that using backlight behind LCD-panel you cannot be easily get rid of with using less LEDs than actual pixels on the LCD-panel, which is far from that, in MBP 14" there are like 10000 leds while LCD-panel has around 6 million pixels or so and even then if you had as many leds you would need to couple it with the panel so that light of each backlight leds does not "leak" to the next LCD-pixels. But anyway, IMHO this blooming is blown out of proportions over here, IMHO it is not an issue really with this panel when using it at reasonable brightness and IMHO it bothers me much much much less than edge lit IPS light leaks and grayish black level with often some colored tint in it during that, because in both type of backlights the environment where these issues would show are the same and I'd rather take some blooming that those other issues with edge led, but that is just me.

However flickering and/PWM has nothing to do with IPS or edge lit vs back lit. It is depending on the LEDs used for the backlight, and usually in my understating PWM is used to hide quality of the leds, because when using leds with linear dimming (without PWM flickering) their color temperature and color reproduction features can change a lot depending on their brightness, so you would need to use well binned leds which cost more and yields are lower. But if you choose to use cheaper leds that have wanted color temperature and color reproduction features at full (100%) brightness you can then dim them using PWM (so flickering them on/off rapidly for different brightness levels).

So PWM can be found in both types. However, Edge Lit needs less leds and it might be still somewhat cost effective to use quality leds without PWM in those but when you have thousands of Mini Leds it will be different thing.

Also PWM frequency has much to do whether PWM causes issues. Very low frequency PWM is easily noticeable and straining eye, like iPhone OLED or I had Zenbook that had 400Hz PWM but I tweaked it up to couple thousand to get rid for PWM issues for me. Using PWM around 15000Hz like in MBP 14/16, it is fine for the most people. Obviously no PWM is the most preferred.

IMHO, all panels with LCD and separate backlight are intermediate step before self illuminating pixels, but those have their own issues again starting with uniformity/mura and so on.

However it doesn’t make IPS edge lit displays bad. They are different and right now at least on some IPS displays they don’t have blooming, PWM or burn in or pixel degradation.
Well, IMHO edge lit has its weaknesses which IMHO are much worse than those of in back lit / Mini LED with local dimming and it could never reach the same black level for example what Mini LED allows, that is simply from the fact that IPS LCD-panel cannot block all the light, so you need to have backlight technology to do that and this cannot be done with edge leds in any decent way.

Again, there are many many IPS edge lit panels with PWM, it has nothing to do with anything else but the LEDs used for the backlight.

Burn in is where LCDs are great even there has been some IPS panel models that were prone to burn in like wear but generally that is rarely an issue anyone needs to worry about.

IPS still offers great vibrancy and color accuracy with good viewing angles.
IPS LCD-panel itself offers good viewing angles without changes in gamma for example from the angle, unlike VA or TN which are more or less bad in that. Vibrancy and colors have more to do with the backlight and filters used to create colors, they can be bad in IPS too, but Apple makes ones with good colors and wide gamut.

So in my opinion, and it is a personal preference, regular high quality IPS edge lit displays are the best for my eyes until they get the micro led or improve on the mini led which I am sure they will.
Well, here I beg to differ but I respect your preference here. There is no contest IMHO between MacBook edge lit IPS vs Mini led IPS, the latter wins easily. I just cannot take gray blacks and light leaks. Again blooming is not an issue in MBP 14" IMHO. Has there been even any respectable reviews saying blooming is bad? Not talking about Youtube clickbait reviews.

Micro LED surely will be the best of these mentioned. But we'll see when they are available. They have their features too which some might not like and they likely will suffer from the many issues found in OLED's in mura issue especially.


As I said even OLED have their gravely issues (I hate uniformity/mura and VB issue) but still they are considered the best technology for a TV these days.

Maybe by M3 we will have micro led screens with fast response times and that would be pretty close to perfect!
Interesting to see if they change the panel or not, CPU itself does nothing to it. Not sure how much higher price would need to then, also could be issue with yields these days there are constant shortages in production it might not be practical for that either.


EDIT: For the PWM I mainly talked about PWM vs no PWM only in picture quality/flickering point of view. It might be worth to mention PWM has features with heat and power consumption too, so those might have been also at least partly reason for using it.
 
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I might just go ahead and purchase an external monitor for my MacBook Pro. In that regard, it may have been better to keep the Air for added portability but I digress as the Pro is still more capable overall.

I’d prefer to use the keyboard and trackpad from the Pro so I’ll have to figure out a desk setup. I may purchase an iMac Pro next if I find myself not transporting the computer as much as expected.
 
I might just go ahead and purchase an external monitor for my MacBook Pro. In that regard, it may have been better to keep the Air for added portability but I digress as the Pro is still more capable overall.

I’d prefer to use the keyboard and trackpad from the Pro so I’ll have to figure out a desk setup. I may purchase an iMac Pro next if I find myself not transporting the computer as much as expected.
i have the magic keyboard + trackpad + mouse combo, i have my mbp docked to my 32inch, its a pretty comfy setup.
 
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So work is paying for your equipment. Kind of makes arguing cost a moot point since you aren’t paying?

Is the monitor you’re using now IPS?

So they are going to buy you a $5k monitor? Pretty sweet.

You are clearly in the “PRO” use category so I am confused why you would even be on MBA forums or commenting on the M2 MBA when your use case is so different from the average user?

Of course weight is not an issue when you need “PRO” equipment. For you a M1 MBP makes perfect sense.

Not everyone gets equipment from their job and a couple hundred bucks and tax can make a big difference.

Anyway I am sure that new Monitor will be perfect for your needs.
 
While we're on the subject : what would the ideal external monitor to connect to a Macbook Air M2 ? As I'm keeping my current MB Pro (2015 model, i7, Radeon graphics), I'll have 2 laptops on my desk, plus my iMac.

I'm thinking that I might sell the iMac (2017, 27 inch, core i5) and replace it with a 27 inch (or something around that size) that I can use for both laptops.
What would be the best 4K monitor that wouldn't give me any scaling problems with the M2 ?
 
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While we're on the subject : what would the ideal external monitor to connect to a Macbook Air M2 ? As I'm keeping my current MB Pro (2015 model, i7, Radeon graphics), I'll have 2 laptops on my desk, plus my iMac.

I'm thinking that I might sell the iMac (2017, 27 inch, core i5) and replace it with a 27 inch (or something around that size) that I can use for both laptops.
What would be the best 4K monitor that wouldn't give me any scaling problems with the M2 ?

I’d get the LG 4K or 5K monitors that Apple sells. I have the 4K and my MBA M2 runs beautifully on it. In fact, this whole debate to me is a nothing burger. If you don’t do anything that requires the power of the Pro, then the MBA M2 will be incredibly nice for you. This thing is a beast and never slows down. I’ve got the 16GB RAM model and couldn’t be happier. The form factor is just simply amazing, and now the Pros look way too chunky for my tastes.
 
While we're on the subject : what would the ideal external monitor to connect to a Macbook Air M2 ? As I'm keeping my current MB Pro (2015 model, i7, Radeon graphics), I'll have 2 laptops on my desk, plus my iMac.

I'm thinking that I might sell the iMac (2017, 27 inch, core i5) and replace it with a 27 inch (or something around that size) that I can use for both laptops.
What would be the best 4K monitor that wouldn't give me any scaling problems with the M2 ?
Safest option for Mac compatibility - by that I mean a monitor which will wake from sleep every time and you'll get no issue with blurred text at scaled resolutions - is always an Apple display.

My second choice has always been LG - although I have had some issues with them waking from sleep.
 
Safest option for Mac compatibility - by that I mean a monitor which will wake from sleep every time and you'll get no issue with blurred text at scaled resolutions - is always an Apple display.

My second choice has always been LG - although I have had some issues with them waking from sleep.
Apple displays are too pricey for me...
 
Apple displays are too pricey for me...
I'd go for LG or Dell in that case. Decide on a size, then check the comparative specs (screen specs, ports etc), maybe do a quick search in here to make sure there's no issues. Both of them make very good monitors at a wide variety of sizes.
 
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First of all, sorry this is gonna be a long post. But it is just about narrow subject only considering display technology trying to explain their differences and what are their limitations.



Well it is, but all display technologies have their weaknesses and strenghts but blooming is more or less something that using backlight behind LCD-panel you cannot be easily get rid of with using less LEDs than actual pixels on the LCD-panel, which is far from that, in MBP 14" there are like 10000 leds while LCD-panel has around 6 million pixels or so and even then if you had as many leds you would need to couple it with the panel so that light of each backlight leds does not "leak" to the next LCD-pixels. But anyway, IMHO this blooming is blown out of proportions over here, IMHO it is not an issue really with this panel when using it at reasonable brightness and IMHO it bothers me much much much less than edge lit IPS light leaks and grayish black level with often some colored tint in it during that, because in both type of backlights the environment where these issues would show are the same and I'd rather take some blooming that those other issues with edge led, but that is just me.

However flickering and/PWM has nothing to do with IPS or edge lit vs back lit. It is depending on the LEDs used for the backlight, and usually in my understating PWM is used to hide quality of the leds, because when using leds with linear dimming (without PWM flickering) their color temperature and color reproduction features can change a lot depending on their brightness, so you would need to use well binned leds which cost more and yields are lower. But if you choose to use cheaper leds that have wanted color temperature and color reproduction features at full (100%) brightness you can then dim them using PWM (so flickering them on/off rapidly for different brightness levels).

So PWM can be found in both types. However, Edge Lit needs less leds and it might be still somewhat cost effective to use quality leds without PWM in those but when you have thousands of Mini Leds it will be different thing.

Also PWM frequency has much to do whether PWM causes issues. Very low frequency PWM is easily noticeable and straining eye, like iPhone OLED or I had Zenbook that had 400Hz PWM but I tweaked it up to couple thousand to get rid for PWM issues for me. Using PWM around 15000Hz like in MBP 14/16, it is fine for the most people. Obviously no PWM is the most preferred.

IMHO, all panels with LCD and separate backlight are intermediate step before self illuminating pixels, but those have their own issues again starting with uniformity/mura and so on.


Well, IMHO edge lit has its weaknesses which IMHO are much worse than those of in back lit / Mini LED with local dimming and it could never reach the same black level for example what Mini LED allows, that is simply from the fact that IPS LCD-panel cannot block all the light, so you need to have backlight technology to do that and this cannot be done with edge leds in any decent way.

Again, there are many many IPS edge lit panels with PWM, it has nothing to do with anything else but the LEDs used for the backlight.

Burn in is where LCDs are great even there has been some IPS panel models that were prone to burn in like wear but generally that is rarely an issue anyone needs to worry about.


IPS LCD-panel itself offers good viewing angles without changes in gamma for example from the angle, unlike VA or TN which are more or less bad in that. Vibrancy and colors have more to do with the backlight and filters used to create colors, they can be bad in IPS too, but Apple makes ones with good colors and wide gamut.


Well, here I beg to differ but I respect your preference here. There is no contest IMHO between MacBook edge lit IPS vs Mini led IPS, the latter wins easily. I just cannot take gray blacks and light leaks. Again blooming is not an issue in MBP 14" IMHO. Has there been even any respectable reviews saying blooming is bad? Not talking about Youtube clickbait reviews.

Micro LED surely will be the best of these mentioned. But we'll see when they are available. They have their features too which some might not like and they likely will suffer from the many issues found in OLED's in mura issue especially.


As I said even OLED have their gravely issues (I hate uniformity/mura and VB issue) but still they are considered the best technology for a TV these days.


Interesting to see if they change the panel or not, CPU itself does nothing to it. Not sure how much higher price would need to then, also could be issue with yields these days there are constant shortages in production it might not be practical for that either.


EDIT: For the PWM I mainly talked about PWM vs no PWM only in picture quality/flickering point of view. It might be worth to mention PWM has features with heat and power consumption too, so those might have been also at least partly reason for using it.
Nice post! Thank you!

Would you folks please talk more about burn-in? I've become worried.

I returned MBA. Amongst all display features, high resolution is what I care about most. Pushes me towards MBP.

I don't follow display technologies. I didn't realize 'til after ordering MBP that MBP display can get burn-in. I think my iPhone XS has got burn-in. I worry that I'm going to mistreat MBP display.

There's millions of MBP users. It's gotta be pretty difficult for the display to reach a point of burn-in?

I've never liked screensavers. Does the possibility for there being burn-in mean that I ought to start using one?

What's a safe number for the 'turn display off after' time interval?

Please do tell us all how to prevent burn-in!
 
Nice post! Thank you!

Would you folks please talk more about burn-in? I've become worried.

I returned MBA. Amongst all display features, high resolution is what I care about most. Pushes me towards MBP.

I don't follow display technologies. I didn't realize 'til after ordering MBP that MBP display can get burn-in. I think my iPhone XS has got burn-in. I worry that I'm going to mistreat MBP display.

There's millions of MBP users. It's gotta be pretty difficult for the display to reach a point of burn-in?

I've never liked screensavers. Does the possibility for there being burn-in mean that I ought to start using one?

What's a safe number for the 'turn display off after' time interval?

Please do tell us all how to prevent burn-in!
Relax, MBP 14"/16" screen is IPS with Mini LED (backlit) and local dimming - it is not an OLED. I mentioned in my post about rare cases with IPS burn in like problems and ghost images (also sometimes patch like discoloration but it is not from the LCD-panel directly but other parts in monitor) but as I said, those are rare and nothing to worry about (besides most of those been from non Apple brand monitors anyway), and as far as I know there has not been any reports with either MBA or MBP recent models suffering from it. So just go for MBP is you were not happy with MBA screen and enjoy it!
 
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So work is paying for your equipment. Kind of makes arguing cost a moot point since you aren’t paying?
the laptop i bought myself, purchased under my llc so after tax deduct i'm more or less paying 2.5k
Is the monitor you’re using now IPS?

So they are going to buy you a $5k monitor? Pretty sweet.
its ips and i hate it after getting used to the mini led. they getting me a XDR cause the current one doesn't match print.
You are clearly in the “PRO” use category so I am confused why you would even be on MBA forums or commenting on the M2 MBA when your use case is so different from the average user?
because its a free country. and regardless of my usage being pro or not, my comment is relevant to the discussion being put forth.
Of course weight is not an issue when you need “PRO” equipment. For you a M1 MBP makes perfect sense.

Not everyone gets equipment from their job and a couple hundred bucks and tax can make a big difference.

Anyway I am sure that new Monitor will be perfect for your needs.
i was perfectly fine using the m1 mba, just needed more ram. now i'm on the 14 mbp, i wish i upgraded sooner cause the difference is quite a contrast.
 
Well it is the MacBook Air 2 v MacBook Pro 14" forum
the laptop i bought myself, purchased under my llc so after tax deduct i'm more or less paying 2.5k

its ips and i hate it after getting used to the mini led. they getting me a XDR cause the current one doesn't match print.

because its a free country. and regardless of my usage being pro or not, my comment is relevant to the discussion being put forth.

i was perfectly fine using the m1 mba, just needed more ram. now i'm on the 14 mbp, i wish i upgraded sooner cause the difference is quite a contrast.
Makes sense and I agree it is a free country.

Not trying to tell you what to do or where you can post. My bad.

Yeah night and day difference between the M1 MBA and M1 MBP.

I just wonder considering what you do why you didn’t get the 16”? The larger screen would benefit your work and is probably more important than weight? I guess if you are getting the 32” XDR screen it doesn’t matter?
 
Makes sense and I agree it is a free country.

Not trying to tell you what to do or where you can post. My bad.
thats fine
Yeah night and day difference between the M1 MBA and M1 MBP.
i also tried the m2 mba at the store, ultimately went with mbp, since mine is a max specced BTO no deal would ever come.
I just wonder considering what you do why you didn’t get the 16”? The larger screen would benefit your work and is probably more important than weight? I guess if you are getting the 32” XDR screen it doesn’t matter?
for travel, i go to office twice a week, my brother has a maxed out 16inch so i know exactly how big and heavy it is. the max specced 14inch has the same performance as the 16 but in a 14inch portable shell.
 
I'm not quite sure what to do, as the back of my eyes feel like they're being punched when attempting to use and focus on this display. I could either sell it and go back to my 15" rMBP, or purchase an external monitor which may be inferior and will likely still cause issues if I use this MacBook Pro as a secondary display. The former option would involve waiting to see what Apple does next with Apple silicon, as an iMac Pro could be in my future or even a M2 MBP if Apple adjusts the PWM flickering.

Otherwise, this machine feels noticeably more premium and offers just about everything I've wanted in a MacBook Pro with the stand-out being the Mini-LED display...

Edit/cross-post: To elaborate, I guess that the Air didn't feel like the massive upgrade I expected coming from a 2012 15" rMBP. I'm honestly shocked at how well it still performs at everyday tasks like web browsing. The Pro also feels more premium, like it's produced on a different production line with even higher tolerances. The solidness of this machine is what impresses me most. My options are limited, and I'll likely end up back at waiting to see what Apple does next with the M2 and M3 Pro.
 
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I'm not quite sure what to do, as the back of my eyes feel like they're being punched when attempting to use and focus on this display. I could either sell it and go back to my 15" rMBP, or purchase an external monitor which may be inferior and will likely still cause issues if I use this MacBook Pro as a secondary display. The former option would involve waiting to see what Apple does next with Apple silicon, as an iMac Pro could be in my future or even a M2 MBP if Apple adjusts the PWM flickering.

Otherwise, this machine feels noticeably more premium and offers just about everything I've wanted in a MacBook Pro with the stand-out being the Mini-LED display...

Edit/cross-post: To elaborate, I guess that the Air didn't feel like the massive upgrade I expected coming from a 2012 15" rMBP. I'm honestly shocked at how well it still performs at everyday tasks like web browsing. The Pro also feels more premium, like it's produced on a different production line with even higher tolerances. The solidness of this machine is what impresses me most. My options are limited, and I'll likely end up back at waiting to see what Apple does next with the M2 and M3 Pro.
I don't have any issue with screen flickering - maybe exchange your pro for another if you're still in the period you're able to do so?
 
I'm not quite sure what to do, as the back of my eyes feel like they're being punched when attempting to use and focus on this display. I could either sell it and go back to my 15" rMBP, or purchase an external monitor which may be inferior and will likely still cause issues if I use this MacBook Pro as a secondary display. The former option would involve waiting to see what Apple does next with Apple silicon, as an iMac Pro could be in my future or even a M2 MBP if Apple adjusts the PWM flickering.

Otherwise, this machine feels noticeably more premium and offers just about everything I've wanted in a MacBook Pro with the stand-out being the Mini-LED display...

Edit/cross-post: To elaborate, I guess that the Air didn't feel like the massive upgrade I expected coming from a 2012 15" rMBP. I'm honestly shocked at how well it still performs at everyday tasks like web browsing. The Pro also feels more premium, like it's produced on a different production line with even higher tolerances. The solidness of this machine is what impresses me most. My options are limited, and I'll likely end up back at waiting to see what Apple does next with the M2 and M3 Pro.

It sounds like what you use a computer for doesn't really tax the machine too much. There is a night and day difference to me between any of the M-series Macs and the older MacBooks, much less a 2012 version. You don't notice the fans never spinning up unlike your 2012? Don't notice the much snappier performance when opening a ton of different apps? Don't notice the lack of heat emanating from the computer? I would never ever go back to an Intel MacBook for these reasons. They just don't compare at all.
 
It sounds like what you use a computer for doesn't really tax the machine too much. There is a night and day difference to me between any of the M-series Macs and the older MacBooks, much less a 2012 version. You don't notice the fans never spinning up unlike your 2012? Don't notice the much snappier performance when opening a ton of different apps? Don't notice the lack of heat emanating from the computer? I would never ever go back to an Intel MacBook for these reasons. They just don't compare at all.
Totally agree.

Windows pc's in the laptop space are at a disadvantage for the same reason. I have a really nice Lenovo laptop with a 12th gen Intel processor and it preforms very good overall but battery life is still an issue even though it is much better than tiger lake. Give Intel some time to get on a better process node with the big-little architecture they have implemented I think in the next couple of years things could change a lot.

Exciting times for sure and right now!
 
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It sounds like what you use a computer for doesn't really tax the machine too much. There is a night and day difference to me between any of the M-series Macs and the older MacBooks, much less a 2012 version. You don't notice the fans never spinning up unlike your 2012? Don't notice the much snappier performance when opening a ton of different apps? Don't notice the lack of heat emanating from the computer? I would never ever go back to an Intel MacBook for these reasons. They just don't compare at all.
Agreed. I had a 2012 as well before I replaced mine with an M1 MBP, and it's a night and day difference. The fans never stopped on the 2012. The battery life wasn't terrible for its time (I got 4 hours of real world use out of it on average), but that would be considered amazingly terrible by today's standards.
 
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