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I’m waiting on the m2 max iMac although I have eyeballed the mbp for the ability to game on the couch while watching tv/movies and portability…
 
Cool.

Just in time for Tim Cook's surprise reveal of the Apple Silicon Mac Pro on Christmas day! :D

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These results could be from a difference in enclosures. Say for the first set of scores. Could be a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio. Even a "lower" end MB Pro. The higher scores could be for a higher end version on the desktop. Allowing for the increase in clock speed.

Or, they are maybe allowing for a speed spec difference between families. So you could get a Pro or a Max at different clocks as purchasing options.
The OP states that the model identifier was Mac14,6… now the Mac Studio is Mac13,1&2 and the 2022 13-inch MacBook Pro M2 is Mac14,7 (yes, odd… vs the 2021 MBP 13-inch being MacBookPro17,1 and the 14/16-inch M1 Pros being MacBookPro18,1–4). I'm guessing this could be the M2 Mac mini (M1 min is Macmini9,1) or a 13-inch MBP variant (they'd be an easy chassis to test on, plenty of room in there for a socketing CPU, decent cooling overhead).

As to the delta in scores, my hypothesis is that one is on battery and the other on power.


And these are certainly Apple-controlled leaks. At this point, my belief is that Apple has become master manipulators… the very "talking head" in the 1984 commercial the company (at the time) PR'ed that they despised.
 
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The 96gb of memory makes me think this could be an M2Max variant for the updated Mac Studio… unless Apple has increased the memory limit for the MacBook Pro.

Zero logic, as the M1 Max Mac Studio has the same "memory limit" as the M1 Max MacBook Pro...

Apple is using higher capacity chips in the M2 family, so...
  • M2 = 24GB max RAM
  • M2 Pro = 48GB max RAM
  • M2 Max = 96GB max RAM
  • M2 Ultra = 192GB max RAM
  • M2 Extreme = 384GB max RAM
 
If this is the 3nm, then it will be worth the wait for M2 Pro !!!
It’s not, and I seriously wish people would stop pushing that narrative.
Apple has a history of process shrinks in their own custom silicon, and it always has happened the same way.
Take the shrink from 7 nm down to 5 nm.
First appeared in the iPhone 12 and iPad Air4 with the “A14” chip, the least demanding, lowest end processor in their main line-up.
Then it came to the lowest end Mac computers and iPads with the “M1”, a chip for the MacBook Air and the iPad.
Then, months and months later, it finally came to the MacBook Pros with the “M1pro/max”.
And then, another seven months after that, it finally came to a top-of-the-line desktop computer with the “M1ultra”.
And it more than likely will come to the Mac Pro next year.
People expecting Apple to jump to 3 nm on the Best of the top-of-the-line products are getting it totally backwards.
It’ll come to the “A17”, then the “M3”, then the “M3pro/max”, then the “M3ultra/extreme or whatever it’ll be called”.
This is nothing new.
 
The graphics scores are where the m2 pro and max will shine. Like with the m1 vs m2 we should see a 35% faster gpu so we should be looking around 56,000 for the m2 pro and 87,000 for m2 max.

Compered to 42,000 and 65,000

The increased GPU performance of M2 was mostly due to the large increased memory bandwidth from 68GB/s for M1 to 100GB/s for M2.
 
The increased GPU performance of M2 was mostly due to the large increased memory bandwidth from 68GB/s for M1 to 100GB/s for M2.
The increased came from both memory bandwidth and extra cores. Both are important for that high increase
 
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The increased came from both memory bandwidth and extra cores. Both are important for that high increase
Yes but mostly from the memory bandwidth. You don't get 35% more performance with only two more cores. For example in Shadow of the Tomb Raider you get only 9% higher fps with M1 Pro 16c than with 14c.
 
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I'd like to know when we'll see a M2MBP? If not spring-ish then I will go ahead and get M1.

We'll definitely see one in Spring before WWDC. Though if they're already posting Geek Bench scores I get the feeling a release is soon (Q1 2023), especially since it's reporting MacOS version 13.2.

Traditionally MacOS x.2 versions come out by late January, early February. Apple has often introduced new MacBook Pros in late February, early March. I'll be surprised if they aren't out by then.
 
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We'll definitely see one in Spring before WWDC. If they're already posting Geek Bench scores though I get the feeling a release is soon (Q1 2023), especially since it's reporting MacOS version 13.2.

Traditionally MacOS x.2 versions come out by late January, early February. Apple has often introduced new MacBook Pros in late February, early March. I'll be surprised if they aren't out by then.

Actually apart from MBA Apple has never released a MBP earlier than in May according to MR Buyer's guide. Not saying they couldn't/wouldn't since the new chips seems to be ready. :)
 
Yes but mostly from the memory bandwidth. You don't get 35% more performance with only two more cores. For example in Shadow of the Tomb Raider you get only 9% higher fps with M1 Pro 16c than with 14c.
when i said that you gain 35% just from the extra cores? i just said both are important for that gain, read again please
You can clearly see how M1 8gpu cores compares with M2 8 gpu cores around 16% increase(from the bandwith) and the rest is from the extra 2 cores, so its almost 50-50
 
Actually apart from MBA Apple has never released a MBP earlier than in May according to MR Buyer's guide. Not saying they couldn't/wouldn't since the new chips seems to be ready. :)
you can bet these new Macbook pro will come in spring, probably April or May, maybe even sooner
 
Yes but mostly from the memory bandwidth. You don't get 35% more performance with only two more cores. For example in Shadow of the Tomb Raider you get only 9% higher fps with M1 Pro 16c than with 14c.
Do you know if he has the M2 with 10 gpu cores somewhere in there ? Too bad he didnt add the M2 to the comparison after its release
 
Cool that the performance is higher, but will this be the end of the noiseless and cool experience which people have had with the M1?

Yes, the word "performance" refers to many things. The sheer execution performance (how fast is it?) is just one metric. How much power it consumes while achieving that first metric is thermal performance. The M2 may not deliver massive leaps in execution performance, but it delivers it in a more efficient thermal package, therefore better battery life. Heat is a waste of energy. Less heat = longer battery life.
 
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The graphics scores are where the m2 pro and max will shine. Like with the m1 vs m2 we should see a 35% faster gpu so we should be looking around 56,000 for the m2 pro and 87,000 for m2 max.

Compered to 42,000 and 65,000

when i said that you gain 35% just from the extra cores? i just said both are important for that gain, read again please
You can clearly see how M1 8gpu cores compares with M2 8 gpu cores around 16% increase and the rest is from the extra 2 cores, so its almost 50-50

You said in your previous post "Like with the m1 vs m2 we should see a 35% faster gpu". If the memory bandwidth for M2 Pro/Max is the same we won't likely see 35% better performance. I didn't say you said it's just because of the two extra GPU cores. I said the majority of the perfromance increase was thanks to the higher memory bandwidth. So if the memory bandwidth will remain the same we'll see around 16% better GPU performance for the same number of cores.
 
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Yes, the word "performance" refers to many things. The sheer execution performance (how fast is it?) is just one metric. How much power it consumes while achieving that first metric is thermal performance. The M2 may not deliver massive leaps in execution performance, but it delivers it in a more efficient thermal package, therefore better battery life. Heat is a waste of energy. Less heat = longer battery life.
Aren't the reviews of the m2 stating it has worse thermal performance tho?
 
Safari has gotten at least 30% faster in the las 12 months. I remember speedometer was at 276 points last year and now it's at 375 points on the same machine.

The m2 is over 400 points but im guess it could be going towards 450 points with the new scores on the m2 pro/max
In real world usage i notice that Safari takes at least 2 seconds slower to display the websites I visit compared to Firefox.
 
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