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Now all the people who aren't buying an M4 Mac Mini will pretend this is the biggest mistake Apple ever made, right after the location of the charge port on the Magic Mouse that they also aren't buying.

I'm sure they put the power button there because of the plastic base, it makes it a lot less complex than cutting a button into the aluminium. The old Mac Mini had a plastic rear panel instead. The button looks like it's almost the same part.

They're giving us M4 in a tiny package without raising the price. Stop crying. Also if you are constantly turning your Apple Silicon Mac on and off, you're doing it wrong.
 
Ridiculous.

As someone who supports Mac in a workplace, I ask staff to shut down on a Friday afternoon. Otherwise their machines never reboot, as they don’t remember to reboot at other times. So many issues are resolved by a simple power cycle.

Sure 1x Mac mini never switching off isn’t going to use much electricity, but times that by the number of these that will be sold and it becomes a substantial number. Apple again demonstrating it only cares about the environment when it’s marketable.

The power button should be on the front or back.
 
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Apple:
power button at the front (think iMac G3, power mac G3/g4/G5/Mac Pro gen 1) -> not aesthetically pleasing
dongle city for plugging in non-usb-C peripherals -> aesthetically pleasing
Not sure what dongles you need. I have exactly 0 since I replaced most USB cables with USB-C ones and didn't buy a cheap keyboard with a built-in cable.
 
"to make everything fit"


It is to encourage you to keep your machine on 24/7. Can we please stop with the "to make it fit" deductions, also in regard to iphones. They are always false.
 
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I'd love to see what alternate designs were considered less convenient.

I would love to see the alternate designs, period!

Was there an even smaller Mac mini considered? Was there a slightly bigger model (compared to this new one) but the same thickness as the previous models? Did they prototype a smaller, shorter round Mac Pro model since there's nothing to upgrade internally anymore?

What about a Mac nano? The size of an Apple TV, a single model available with M2, 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD to lower the cost as much as possible (older CPU, only one SKU to make, ship and stock). Only power, HDMI and two TB3 ports in the back and headphones and one USB-C in the front. Sell it for 399$USD and watch the whole PC market lose their freakin' mind. Go with the M1 for 299$ and it would still be so much better than PCs in that price range.
 
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Stupid design but hardly a biggy. Just put it on something tall enough to permit you to get your finger at the button. Then no tilting will be required.
 
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I'd also like to point out that the power button on the M1 Mac Mini was a little hard to find and reach, depending where you keep your machine. I seriously doubt reaching under the back corner of a computer that is so much smaller and lighter is going to be any less inconvenient than it was before. In fact, I'm expecting it to be slightly more convenient just based on those factors.

This is going to be the biggest non-issue in the history of non-issues. On the other hand, it probably would have been better if Apple put it in the front corner rather than the back... that for sure would have been more convenient than the M1 Mini.
 
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I turn my 2018 Mini off each night, and back on the next morning.
I also will shut it off if I'm going to be away for a few hours.

Guess I'll just have to get used to reaching around and "lifting up".

Another thought:
I may just set the option to "restart automatically after a power failure", and just cut the power on my power strip (which I do after I turn off the Mini anyway, I don't want anything connected at night). The OS is "protected" from damage now, and I usually manually close all apps before powering down anyway...
 
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I was soooo hoping the rumors weren't true. But I will NOT be getting an M4 Mac Mini (to upgrade my M1 Mac Mini) because it's... just... FUGLY! I didn't buy the Mac Studio, because of the ports in front. Ports belong in BACK. And the power button on the BOTTOM?!? How insane is THAT? I think I'll sooner wait for a swiss cheese grater/collander/whatever Mac Pro M4... at least it was BORN ugly, to begin with!🤣 Ugh!
 
Serious question here: if you turn off your Mac mini at night, what is the reason? Surely it cannot be for the power savings nor the money saved by doing so, especially not for small power-sipping computers like the Mac mini.

Taking the M4 Mac mini as an example, looking at the "Mac mini Product Environmental Report" (PDF), on page 18 "Endnotes", there's a table that shows the following:

Mode
100V​
115V​
230V​
Off
0.08W​
0.10W​
0.11W​
Sleep
0.55W​
0.50W​
0.51W​
Idle - Display on
3.92W​
3.96W​
4.01W​
Power supply efficiency
91.3%​
91.8%​
92.6%​

Assuming the numbers shown above are after the power conversion losses. Also assuming the average cost of 13 cents per kWh which I keep seeing everywhere when people talk about electricity prices in the USA. Using the 115V column of the table above, 13 cents lets you keep your M4 Mac mini in sleep mode for 1000Wh / 0.50W = 2000 hours, or 83 days and eight hours.

That's over two months and three weeks at idle for 13 cents.

Assuming someone working from home on their Mac mini for eight hours per day and two hours of personal use, that means a sleep state for 14 hours per day. That's 5110 hours per year in sleep, 2.555 kWh per year on idle for a cost of only 33 cents per year. Even if you triple that cost for your state, it's under a dollar per year.

Another scenario using an M4 Mac mini for an average of only four hours per week because it's the media center connected to a living room TV. That's 164 hours per week, 8528 hours per year in sleep mode. Using the same numbers as above, 4264 Wh per year at 13 cents per kWh equals 55 cents.

The potential damage done by turning your expensive computer off/on/off all the time, which in turn does thermal cycling on all the components, versus the tiny electricity cost of your computer in sleep mode, means it makes no sense to ever power it off. In almost all scenarios, except for very extreme specific cases, I would suggest that you just power it on, and leave it on. While modern electronics are more rugged than decades ago and the power supplies components are more efficient than ever, physics is still physics.

Why would you risk damaging your 599$USD+ computer for barely half a dollar per year at the most?

In the same line of reasoning, always power your computer through a power bar equipped with a surge protector.
If you can afford it, an uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) is even better. Some of the the newer power banks from Bluetti, Ecoflow and other brands have the ability to be used as a UPS.
 
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I don't know how much different the clearance is on the Mini, but the distance between my Studio and the desktop is 17mm and can easily reach under it in that position. So the need to "tip it up" may be overstated. If they were going to orient it that way, though, I'd have advised them to put the button on the front corner instead. In fact, I think I'd actually prefer a button on the front underside of the Studio, rather than the back side, as the latter is actually harder to access with the unit mounted and everything plugged in.
 
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This is really daft! Apple should not go into such a presumptive mode that people do not switch there desktop computer down in order to save power after use. Otherwise, don't get me wrong this is still a great product. But the power button should have been on the front of the device.
 
I was soooo hoping the rumors weren't true. But I will NOT be getting an M4 Mac Mini (to upgrade my M1 Mac Mini) because it's... just... FUGLY! I didn't buy the Mac Studio, because of the ports in front. Ports belong in BACK. And the power button on the BOTTOM?!? How insane is THAT? I think I'll sooner wait for a swiss cheese grater/collander/whatever Mac Pro M4... at least it was BORN ugly, to begin with!🤣 Ugh!
There are ports on the back. The ports on the front are just for convenience, for plugging in temporary drives and peripherals that can then be quickly removed. Unlike the iMac, which annoyingly (still) requires you to turn the entire computer around. Sorry you passed on a great device; but I suspect you are the only person outside of Apple's own engineers that dreams of creating a machine with even less I/0.
 
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My last 2 minis I copied and pasted a command into terminal that automatically turned on my mini @ 7am & off @ midnight
 
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While it should really be on the back like the previous model many on here are making out like you'll have you pick it up too press the button. Reality is you can fit your finger in the gap created by its circular base, you'll be able to feel the button and you press it. It's not that dissimilar to pressing something on the back of the device that you can't see.
 
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