M5 or M4 pro?

[Andre YUL]

The m5 gives you more storage, superior CPU and GPU, why wouldn't you go with the M5?

Not sure the M5 will have better GPU scores. Based on leaked Russian tests on an M5 iPad, projections of some reviewers are that M4 Pro Macbook would still have better GPU scores than the M5 (Geekbench 6 Metal: 99K vs 75K on the binned iPad M5).

 

[maflynn]

Not sure the M5 will have better GPU scores.

The M5 absolutely will faster, apple is stating 1.6 fps performance in some games (they also state other improvements - I recommend going there). @leman dertails the GPU changes below, he's a member who has a lot of technical knowledge in these sort of things and from what you cans see there's significant upgrades of the GPU

The changes to the GPU in M5 are in fact quite substantial:

- A second FP16 pipe for doubled FP16 compute (used for lighting calculations, but the game needs to be optimized for it)
- Doubled the integer multiplication performance (can be occasionally useful)
- Doubled the special function performance (exp/log — useful for advanced shading)
- Yet unknown changes to shader memory management, will likely improve occupancy
- More memory bandwidth, larger caches
- Maybe: a second FP32 add pipe for improved mixed FP32 calculations (haven't properly investigated this yet)
- Maybe: additional stuff like improved memory compression etc...

 

[neo_cs193p]

If you plan to stress the CPU/GPU cores a lot, it may be worth getting the Pro chip for the extra performance cores and the extra fan, if you care about fan noise.
The base M4 MBP has only one fan, while the M4 Pro MBP has 2 fans. The one fan is louder than the 2 fans, when stressed, because it needs to be ramped up at higher rpm.

The base M5 MBP will likely also have one fan, but we will know for sure in a day or two.

 

[dmccloud]

If I read correctly, the M4 Pro is inferior to the M5 only in terms of its single core and a few hours of battery life, but otherwise it's superior in every way. Or did I miss some other detail?

I wouldn't even go that far. Looking at the Geekbench browser results, the M4 Pro's 3871 is not all that far behind the M5s 4263. In multi-core performance, the 17,862 scored by the M5 is not even close to an M4 Pro's 22570. While the base M5 will be better in tasks that do not use multiple threads, most applications that do run multiple threads (e.g. Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Final Cut, etc.) will have noticeably better performance on an M4 Pro system.

Looking over my saved Geekbench results, my current machine (M4 Pro) is around 45-50% faster than the M2 Max system it replaced (2664 vs 3861 single-core, 14980 vs 22570 multi-core). That is a far more significant jump in performance than anything we have seen from the M5 so far, and likely why Apple is targeting Intel and M1 users with this update.

 

[Macintosh1984]

I wouldn't even go that far. Looking at the Geekbench browser results, the M4 Pro's 3871 is not all that far behind the M5s 4263. In multi-core performance, the 17,862 scored by the M5 is not even close to an M4 Pro's 22570. While the base M5 will be better in tasks that do not use multiple threads, most applications that do run multiple threads (e.g. Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Final Cut, etc.) will have noticeably better performance on an M4 Pro system.

Looking over my saved Geekbench results, my current machine (M4 Pro) is around 45-50% faster than the M2 Max system it replaced (2664 vs 3861 single-core, 14980 vs 22570 multi-core). That is a far more significant jump in performance than anything we have seen from the M5 so far, and likely why Apple is targeting Intel and M1 users with this update.

There's no doubt that the M5 is a great speed bump compared to the M4, especially on the GPU side. I'm certainly disappointed by the TB4, no OLED, but it's not bad.

I'm considering the M4 Pro, though, for its power in Multi-Core and Metal, but especially for the dual-fan dissipation system. It might be a fair price to pay for a machine that will last a little longer over the years.

It's clear that everyone has different needs, but the performance figures are irrefutable.

It's clear that when the M5 Pro comes out, it will be superior to the M4 Pro, but who knows how long it will take for the price to drop.

 

[wonderings]

Get the cheapest one and upgrade the RAM and SSD. Both are going to do video editing without any issue, you could go back and get an M1 Pro and up and not have any trouble with video editing.