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Waiting for M6 2nm will be good new packaging new architecture this current architecture already same from A16
Keep in mind M6 proably won’t get an Ultra variant, if you want that level of performance you’re probably going to have to wait until late 2027 or mid 2028.

My suspicion is they are going to do an Ultra every other chip cycle given the demand and yields, and with a new process node… seems like a skip probably.

Also, M5 is based on the A19, it has the same security features exclusive to that design. We know this already based on the recent release. It’s (I think?) the first time they are at parity within weeks of each other.
 
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Nice! This is pretty much what I have been waiting for to replace my main archive and mural building machine with.
The first thing I thought of when you said "mural building"....

a mac studio as the head of a robot that physically builds the murals. :)
 
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Has it been confirmed that the M5 has the UltraFusion connector?
There has been a rumor that the reason the M5 Pro and Max chip chips did not come out this fall was that they were using a new fabrication technique with them that allows for a more flexible packaging of mixed components. Current techniques require brut force methods like ultra fusion but this new packaging is supposed to allow them to add RAM and GPU without needing to duplicate the whole chip. Presumably that would apply even more to an M5 Ultra.
 
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lol what

pytorch runs fine

Local models work fairly well despite the drawbacks of M4 (low inference speed mostly).

M5 will hugely improve this: per GPU core neural acceleration, matrix math improvements, etc. Inference should be significantly faster depending on how high they get the memory bandwidth and what they do with the interposer and SoIC / chip stacking, if it happens this generation.

There are metal optimized libraries that work pretty well and there is an apple-funded CUDA -> MLX workflow in progress.

This machine is going to be excellent for personal and professional AI development / fine-tuning, and for ~$12k it’s going to cost what one nvidia card with 1/5 of the GPU memory does.

If you need really big data nvidia stuff you can just connect to the cloud, but for local work nothing will compare to this for a long time that isn’t 10x the cost.

I say all this also owning a 5090 that’s going into a Linux workstation next week for local CUDA work by the way. :)


Now, fi you were talking about Apple Intelligence… fair point! I have low faith especially given the new rumors that they are not teaming with Anthropic which is an enormous mistake, if true.

Apple’s small models are doing pretty cool stuff but they’re going to take a couple more years to be really relevant relative to the best of what else is out there now, and that is also dependent on them retaining talent. They are doing groundbreaking R&D work with on-device models particularly in RAM constrained areas, but everywhere else they are trailing pretty badly.
This is exactly the sort of well-informed, comment that we could do with more of here. Thank you.
 
They need to release an M5 Extreme chip for the Mac Pro. Such a chip would probably outperform the best current Threadripper chips. The Mac Pro needs more differentiation from the Mac Studio. Support for eGPUs and more expandability or modularity would be good, too, especially upgradable memory.
 
They need to release an M5 Extreme chip for the Mac Pro. Such a chip would probably outperform the best current Threadripper chips. The Mac Pro needs more differentiation from the Mac Studio. Support for eGPUs and more expandability or modularity would be good, too, especially upgradable memory.
Sadly the Mac Pro is not a priority for Apple, and now that they’re all-in on integrated GPUs and memory, I don’t think expandability or modularity are either.
 
Been weighing an M4 Max Studio to replace my M1 Pro MBP as main workhorse. I think maybe I can hang on a little longer if an M5 Ultra is on the horizon.
I have the M3 Ultra with 512GB Unified Memory. It’s amazing for AI/LLMs. Cannot imagine what the M5 will have. A day one upgrade if it has 1TB Unified Memory.
 
Think it is very possible for it to be unveiled at WWDC along with the new Mac Pro and Mac Studio. Should definitely be very powerful.
 
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Don’t wish your life away, current chips are already very powerful so weigh that up when deciding on new computer
 
MacRumors now afraid to mention Mark Gurman when he's actually the author of the Bloomberg article. Anything for the clicks.

Is Mark Gurman the only person in Bloomberg? Are there no other credible sources aside from Bloomberg?

If you look it seems they have a deal with Gurman and Bloomberg now. So the vast if not all the stories of Apple rumours have come from that single source.
 
I don't need an Ultra, but I will be keen to see what the upgraded M5 Max is like in the Studio.
 
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