Mac App Store to Open January 6th

[Mattsasa]

I am curious about the installation process...

Is the application "App Store" simply downloading a .pkg(or a .zip with a .pkg) to a temporary folder, then using the "installer" utility, then installing it like any other program except we don't see all the steps?

or is the application "App store" doing some new kind of installation process, like maybe with .ipas or something?

I am curios because I don't always pay for all of my software......

 

[samcraig]

So how long do you think it will be before Apple offers the iAd APIs to these software vendors so that they can push iAds into them?

 

[kutsushita]

Yay it'll be released on my birthday

 

[ct2k7]

I am curious about the installation process...

Is the application "App Store" simply downloading a .pkg(or a .zip with a .pkg) to a temporary folder, then using the "installer" utility, then installing it like any other program except we don't see all the steps?

or is the application "App store" doing some new kind of installation process, like maybe with .ipas or something?

I am curios because I don't always pay for all of my software......

It's like the iOS App Store....

 

[Žalgiris]

And do you really think Adobe's going to give 30% of their Mac revenue to Apple?

Adobe software doesn't meet App Store requirements, so it's irrelevant.

 

[BaldiMac]

Developers love it. Most developers are making way too much money, and they need to offload at least 30% to get down to an affordable tax bracket. Thankfully Apple comes along with a solution: rather than create a new market which might keep a developer's revenue too high as iOS did, the Mac App Store merely replaces the web to provide the same customer base but in an environment where you aren't saddled with keeping all your income.

As pointed out earlier, they aren't keeping that whole 30%. At a minimum, you have transaction fees on each sales. A lot of shareware developers use digitalriver or Kagi to manage their storefront. That's another per transaction cost in addition to upfront costs and ongoing support of your storefront.

Than you have the marketing benefits of the Mac App Store. How much will that be worth? I'd say more than $0.00. Apple also provides the bandwidth for your app downloads and hosts information about your app. They also manage app licensing which can be a huge cost to support. They provide for redownloads eliminating bandwidth and other support costs.

There's also the savings in development time without the need to create an installer, updater, and licensing system. And support time for those features.

All told, not much of that additional 30% is going to the developer. And if he decides to expand his market by using another retailer, that 30% is in his rear view mirror.

Whether in Apple's Safari or in Apple's App Store, it's still the same 5.6% of the global computer user market available to you.

Well, that is simplifying a bit much. All parts of the market are not the same. Mac customers are more likely to spend money than other parts of the market. And then there's the part of the market that doesn't even know your software exists.

When more people know your software exists, and they've already shown that they are willing to spend extra money on a Mac, and they only have to decide to hit "Buy" (rather than decide whether to trust you with their credit card info), you have a much larger market for your software.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

the first step in closing Mac OSX

I seriously doubt it. Apple makes some stupid mistakes, but I don't think they're going to do what you are suggesting.

For this conversation let's say you're right... then it's the beginning of the end for Apple computers as useful tools to do the work that presently only real computers can do.

After all they only have a sliver of the market anyway. But I would certainly miss them.

 

[Hallivand]

No mention of PowerPC...

Well heres another death blow to the PowerPC platform, once the Lions out of the cage the nails in the coffin. Would have loved if they released the Mac App store for OS X 10.5. My beastly looking G5 next to me had so much potential, only three years before Intel came and crashed the party.

Mabye someone can code an alternative for us...

Hey we can dream can't we.

 

[MattInOz]

"The App Store revolutionized mobile apps," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We hope to do the same for PC apps with the Mac App Store by making finding and buying PC apps easy and fun. We can't wait to get started on January 6."

Umm... why PC apps? Why not Mac apps?

Yellow box is back by the sounds of things.

NextOS always intended to be the Developers Platform and to produce software for many platforms by running in a lightweight host App.

Maybe that is there intend for the Mac as Trucks

 

[Sensamic]

I want 10.6.6 more than the Mac Store!!! Will it be released the same day or maybe a week before?

 

[Mattsasa]

I want 10.6.6 more than the Mac Store!!! Will it be released the same day or maybe a week before?

whats in 10.6.6?

 

[firewood]

the first step in closing Mac OSX

Mac OS X is already closed if you create and log into an account without administrator privileges. To "jailbreak", all you need is the administrator or root account's password. Same as with most any standard unix/linux system for the past several decades.

 

[firewood]

What percentage of Mac developers would you characterize of "large"?

And do you really think Adobe's going to give 30% of their Mac revenue to Apple?

Adobe is large, and doesn't need the App store. Most (over 90%) of developers have roughly 0% of the number of people visiting their web site compared with Adobe. The choice for those developers is: maybe 9x% of the price from some tiny number of customers, or 70% of a much larger number of purchases from the more popular App store.

 

[MattInOz]

What percentage of Mac developers would you characterize of "large"?

And do you really think Adobe's going to give 30% of their Mac revenue to Apple?

What percentage of the list price do you think Adobe give Apple now to in both the physical and online stores?

Probably well over 30% and that doesn't include physical production or update hostings. Does include cash handling fees and maybe some distribution costs.

How much do they pay amazon or any other general retailer?

 

[AppleFan1984]

Do you folks really believe the Mac developer community is as small as the slender range of offerings you'll find in an Apple store, or the smaller number of Mac products in Frys?

Physical retail stores offer only a very small subset of what the Mac world has available.

Look in the web. Mac software is everywhere. It's a far more compelling platform that y'all give it credit.

 

[KeithJenner]

Do you folks really believe the Mac developer community is as small as the slender range of offerings you'll find in an Apple store, or the smaller number of Mac products in Frys?

Absolutely not.

But I do believe that the vast majority of Mac users rarely, if ever, look past the products available at these places (although I have no idea what Fry's is).

Bringing these two groups together is potentially a massive development for both customer and developer.

 

[knightlie]

Are you calling the question rhetorical because you don't want to answer it? Opening an additional avenue for app delivery does not close an OS. There is no such thing, even in the hypothetical, of a "pseudo closed" operating system.

The anti-Apple-tards will pick up and run with anything that they perceive as painting Apple in a bad light, whether or not it make sense. Perhaps they actually believe that Apples business plan is to alienate a huge number of it's users by limiting what their computers can do, but either way they don't have to justify their claims, just keep making them. Again and again.

 

[knightlie]

Absolutely not.

But I do believe that the vast majority of Mac users rarely, if ever, look past the products available at these places (although I have no idea what Fry's is).

Bringing these two groups together is potentially a massive development for both customer and developer.

Can you explain what makes you believe that the "vast majority of Mac users" aren't able to do a simple Google search for an application that fits their requirements?

 

[knightlie]

I want 10.6.6 more than the Mac Store!!! Will it be released the same day or maybe a week before?

Reports indicate that 10.6.6 only contains the App Store, an no other updates, in which case they're effectively the same thing.

 

[KeithJenner]

Can you explain what makes you believe that the "vast majority of Mac users" aren't able to do a simple Google search for an application that fits their requirements?

No, but as that isn't what I believe there is no need for me to explain it.

 

[Cinnabar]

This is good news I think.

Here's something I wish it was able to do: look at what apps I've already got on my Mac and then match them to whatever is currently on the store. Then I want all of the updates to those applications to be handled by the app store, espcially major paid upgrades. This would be a lot simpler in my opinion, but I guess developers wouldn't be happy about Apple taking a slice out of their takings for 'upgrades.'

 

[Atomic101]

Reports indicate that 10.6.6 only contains the App Store, an no other updates, in which case they're effectively the same thing.

"The new Build 10J537 features “developer support for fetching and renewing App Store receipts,” with a focus on Bonjour, Dock, OpenGL, Printing and Spotlight. The combo update version is a whopping 1,000MB (better known as 1GB) in size."

looking forward to 10.6.6 in the next few weeks -please an update to the awful 5870 Drivers

 

[charlituna]

No, I am not saying OSX is "Pseudo closed" already and quite frankly, I don't know how it could be, at this moment in time.

Sorry but yes you did. And then defended your nonsensical term over and over to various folks with your "closed and pseudo closed is NOT the same thing"

We didn't have to put the words in your mouth, you put them there.

Additionally, I never, ever said "if your not on Macupdate then you're not worth looking for".. thats putting words in to my mouth.

That's true. You didn't imply that anything not on Macupdate is crap. You actually said if it wasn't on said site it likely doesn't exist. ANd if something doesn't exist how can it be crap right?

 

[jacobj]

The Mac is a PC. PC just means Personal Computer.

I agree. To the hard and fast apple fan, the differentiation between an iOS device and a mac device is clear. However too many mac and apple are synonymous words and they will not be able to distinguish that this store is associated to the pc part of their business.

Incidentally the comment that this hails the end of the mac is ridiculous: to those of us that had fears, this is as affirmation that SJ sees a future in the mac

 

[Tyler23]

This is good news I think.

Here's something I wish it was able to do: look at what apps I've already got on my Mac and then match them to whatever is currently on the store. Then I want all of the updates to those applications to be handled by the app store, espcially major paid upgrades. This would be a lot simpler in my opinion, but I guess developers wouldn't be happy about Apple taking a slice out of their takings for 'upgrades.'

This

I'm sure this has been asked/answered, but help me out..will the Mac App Store recognize apps we've already download (free & or purchased), and keep track of their updates as well? Or only knew ones we acquire through the Mac App Store?