It seems you're very confused here. It's like you're trying to give advice but don't actually know the facts.
I'm not sure why you're attempting to insult someone who's very generously taking their time to try and assist you.
APFS is optimized for SSD. There is no advantage AT ALL to using it on a HDD and, in fact, Apple does not convert HDD to APFS when upgrading to High Sierra. Do you think there might be a reason for that?
This is not to mention the fact that you said you intend to use the drive for Time Machine. APFS drives
CAN NOT BE USED as Time Machine destinations.
I assure you there's no confusion here whatsoever.

[doublepost=1515544020][/doublepost]Not sure why I'm still even bothering to try and help you but...
As I already told you a bunch of times above, if you intend to use the drive for Time Machine just choose it as a destination and it will automatically convert it to HFS+ since Time Machine
does not support APFS.
If that doesn't work and Disk Utility doesn't work then you can always use DiskUtil. There are details at
this page. That was written back when APFS was still in beta but the commands are still the same.
I'll admit that I was unaware that Disk Utility could not be used in such situations having never wasted my time converting external HDD to APFS.