And you are expecting that people have common sense. That's a very high expectation, cause they don't. Common sense is about to be extinct in this country.
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And you are expecting that people have common sense. That's a very high expectation, cause they don't. Common sense is about to be extinct in this country.
The uptick in enterprise growth isn't too surprising. Some major tech companies now offer Macs as supported platforms. Cisco, EMC, and VMware all now let their people request and use Macs. They finally figured out that supporting desktops was too much effort so they now use standard corp images and deploy them as virtual machines. So you can run Linux, Windows, or OSX...they don't care. You run the corp image under VMware or Parallels and when they need to redeploy you get a new image.
When I walk in the Cisco office now all I see are Macs. Almost all the VMware SEs I work with now carry Macs. It was a VERY sudden change.
When I walk in the Cisco office now all I see are Macs. Almost all the VMware SEs I work with now carry Macs. It was a VERY sudden change.
Oh that's right....a lot of cash strapped school districts have to buy their computers out of the junkyard. And we all know what that "junk" is...
True that. Don't want to stray off topic, but since we're talking trends, I'm sure the large, antiquated public school system here in Chicago where I teach is representative of all the large, antiquated school systems when it comes to technology sources. Everything brought in is old and used. We just switched to XP two years ago, and we're running decade - old Dells, one per classroom, many without internet access. Still, the bigwigs can claim they've brought every classroom into the modern world (if by modern, you mean 2000).
But don't feel sorry for the poor administrators; they're still getting paid CEO type money to run mandatory daylong seminars showing teachers how to use XP compatible software that will never get delivered to the schools. We've got software that only runs on Win98. Meanwhile, the decision makers proudly carry around the newest Windows laptops and PDAs, all on taxpayer coin.
So, as much as one would think Macs would appeal to educators, from my experience education is going to be a Windows / Android world for at least another generation, because those in power will always go the cheapest route when it comes to the actual students they claim to care so much about, third party software compatibility problems and crashes be damned. In fact, most teachers I've met have barely even experienced Macs.
I guarantee that 5 years from now, when the pointy - headed nabobs "discover" the iPad, they will move to get the cheapest imitations into schools, and pat themselves on the back for their innovativeness. Hope the kids learn Chinese, because they're going to need it to operate the damn things.
I dread the day that OS X will become the mainstream OS mainly because of Apple absurd control over distribution. Criticism aside, I love having options when I shop for computer, and I would hate to be tied to just one manufacturer (no matter how good it is).
It's all based on return (or at least in terms of education). Buying truckloads of iMacs for schools is a plain waste of tax payers' money. Why would you spend $1200 on an iMac that runs even LESS software than a Windows PC? Add in the fact that 90% of these kids will probably be working at companies that have their entire corporate applications based in Windows and you have literally no reason whatsoever to consider Macs. As much as Macs might seem like a good idea for educational purposes, the better choice in terms of pure educational value and actual preparation for the real world is a Windows PC.
Of course, this is all assuming that we're not talking about universities and colleges.
I also agree with 4look4rd, Macs work very well as a niche OS. If they ever become THE mainstream OS, we will all be in trouble. Having a single company control both the software and hardware distribution of something critical to a business is never good.
Based on the recent exploit used in Safari to jailbreak iPhones, I'd say that once hackers/malware developers start setting their sites on Mac OS, you have a lot to be concerned about.
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I have seen the Google Analytics stats for Global Hemp Store go from 5% Mac users to its present status of just under 20%. The Global Hemp Store is by no means a Mac centric store. It does not sell Macs or even computer related products. So, its a pretty unbiased stat to go by.
Most store users are 18-50 years old. I believe this demographic of college students want Macs because they are trendy, while older adults are moving to Macs to get away from viruses and spyware.
I have seen the Google Analytics stats for Global Hemp Store go from 5% Mac users to its present status of just under 20%. The Global Hemp Store is by no means a Mac centric store. It does not sell Macs or even computer related products. So, its a pretty unbiased stat to go by.
Most store users are 18-50 years old. I believe this demographic of college students want Macs because they are trendy, while older adults are moving to Macs to get away from viruses and spyware.
Take from it what you will, but a local primary school in my area (UK) bought a suite of around 20 MacBooks for the Gifted & Talented students to use, e.g. for filming and putting together short films with iMovie.
About a year later, the same school (with a very motivated headteacher) replaced its dying computer suite with 30 iMacs. The kids absolutely love them and look forward to ICT lessons. Windows is installed through Bootcamp, depending on the lesson.
Ultimately, these children (in an age where we are increasingly reliant on technology) are being exposed to two operating systems... which (coming from someone raised on Windows alone) can only be a good thing.
I'm glad to see OS X making its way forward in other areas too.
About a year later, the same school (with a very motivated headteacher) replaced its dying computer suite with 30 iMacs. The kids absolutely love them and look forward to ICT lessons. Windows is installed through Bootcamp, depending on the lesson.
Ultimately, these children (in an age where we are increasingly reliant on technology) are being exposed to two operating systems... which (coming from someone raised on Windows alone) can only be a good thing.
I'm glad to see OS X making its way forward in other areas too.
Of course you'd see Imacs inside the cyber-criminal headquarters - they have the money to buy Apples.
Wow, you must have your head so far up your backside that you don't even realize how far off you are. In case you missed the memo, most modern Apple computers can run all Mac software, most all Windows software (via the included bootcamp, usually at faster speeds than most competing PC hardware according to various PC publications; Google it you'll see) and most UNIX software... so no, the actual "better choice in terms of pure educational value" is clearly a Mac.
You do realize the Macs come with powerful developer tools for free as well, not just to "make iPhone apps" but to learn programming from C, to Python, to Ruby, etc. To do that on a Windows based PC you have to download (and usually pay) for various IDEs, etc.
Man you are so clueless, people like you are really beginning to piss me off in this forum. To your point that "Having a single company control both the software and hardware distribution of something critical to a business is never good" again, wrong. Look at the business world and their lack of security and productivity due to the fragmentation of the Windows PC market; I've worked for plenty of companies, both small start ups as well as Fortune 500, and in every single case, when the company or their departments switched to Macs, it practically put the IT staff out of a job because the Macs ran so smoothly. One large company I worked for had about 60% Macs and 40% Windows PC for 300 users and an IT staff of 4. On a daily basis they would have 20 to 60 Windows computers that needed major troubleshooting and the only time they had to work with the Macs is when a new employee was starting and they set up their user account.
I Yahoo!'d it, and mostly I saw that a certain very, very popular Adobe application runs fine on an Apple with dual-boot under Windows, but runs like crap under OSX on the same machine.
This must be one of the YMMV things....
Visual Studio free download: http://www.microsoft.com/express/Windows/
SQL Server free download: http://www.microsoft.com/express/Database/
Note that because of the overwhelming percentage of the market that has embraced Windows, some government directives forbid Microsoft from including these products on the Windows 7 DVD. Apple's minor presence in the market allows them to include these features on the Apple DVD.
Microsoft must lose a lot of money on pre-installed Windows.
Apple sells computers with OS X preinstalled but they profit from the computer sales.
There can't be much profit going to Microsoft off of $400 laptops with windows pre-installed. Even cutting back on RAM size, HD size, etc., the parts still cost some money. If MS gets a little of the profit, it can't be much.
I understand the argument that giving it away might lead to profit by purchases of office and newer Windows versions. But a large sector of the Windows crowd love hunting around for free stuff. I think they just enjoy bragging how they got a bunch of software for free, even if they don't use it. So there isn't much profit from them; only viruses. (Its funny because some younger people I know who fit this description have switched to mac and use the iOS devices and they now brag to me about a bunch of free apps on their iphones. I still get the impression they don't use most of them. They just want to brag about getting them. I asked one if he wouldn't have been better off just buying the two or three apps he actually uses instead of wasting all that time trying to get free apps. I think a light bulb went off.) Please don't take this as a MS user bashing. It's just my observation of many young people who specifically like using Windows and spending time doing this stuff. The younger crowd generally think everything should be free. I would say losing ground in business and government might be the most damaging to MS as legitimate purchasing of software is done in these sectors.
Apple sells computers with OS X preinstalled but they profit from the computer sales.
There can't be much profit going to Microsoft off of $400 laptops with windows pre-installed. Even cutting back on RAM size, HD size, etc., the parts still cost some money. If MS gets a little of the profit, it can't be much.
I understand the argument that giving it away might lead to profit by purchases of office and newer Windows versions. But a large sector of the Windows crowd love hunting around for free stuff. I think they just enjoy bragging how they got a bunch of software for free, even if they don't use it. So there isn't much profit from them; only viruses. (Its funny because some younger people I know who fit this description have switched to mac and use the iOS devices and they now brag to me about a bunch of free apps on their iphones. I still get the impression they don't use most of them. They just want to brag about getting them. I asked one if he wouldn't have been better off just buying the two or three apps he actually uses instead of wasting all that time trying to get free apps. I think a light bulb went off.) Please don't take this as a MS user bashing. It's just my observation of many young people who specifically like using Windows and spending time doing this stuff. The younger crowd generally think everything should be free. I would say losing ground in business and government might be the most damaging to MS as legitimate purchasing of software is done in these sectors.
I don't go to that many businesses, but I hardly see and Macs when I do go, even in big new buildings. The computers are mostly big black boxes with wires everywhere.
Please keep it up. I have been running Viagra spam servers off of your hardware for about six years.
PS. Your Visa is about to expire.
Edited to say, The Visa card I am talking about is the one that starts with 447.
I Yahoo!'d it, and mostly I saw that a certain very, very popular Adobe application runs fine on an Apple with dual-boot under Windows, but runs like crap under OSX on the same machine.
This must be one of the YMMV things....
And this is why you are known for being one of the biggest Apple-hating trolls on this forum. The fact you even used Adobe as an example proves it when we all know it's Adobe's lack of support for Mac OS X that is allowing the programs to run like crap compared to their Windows version, not OS X's fault itself.
So much FUD from you people...Test after test from Windows centric sites like PC magazine, to Cnet, have all said that Macs clearly run Windows better than their equivalent PC competition and the added bonus that you can run Windows and Mac and UNIX programs all on one machine legitimately can't be argued.
These are old finds off the top of my head, but there are newer articles that even support this argument better:
15 Reasons Macs are still better than Windows
50 reasons to switch from Windows to Macs
The Safari exploit was fixed promptly, both by the iPhone Dev Team for jailbroken devices and Apple. Other than the JB, there has not been any talk about someone using this maliciously in the wild.
With Windows, the PDF exploits are being used by one of the bigger botnets to spread -- the Zeus botnet.
Want to know where the rubber hits the road? I know a lot of Windows, UNIX, and Mac users. I get called all the time to fix Windows problems, especially security issues and machines that have been compromised/infected. Macs? I've fixed hardware problems and random corruption. I have yet to see a Mac that has been infected. This right here shows something.
Seriously guys, I just need a mention of the BSOD to get Cliché Bingo.
And after all the outdated myths of "Macs are more expensive" and "Windows runs more software" I just need the "Macs will never break into the Government or Business sector" to get my Cliché Bingo. Oh wait...
Funny that the iOS cash cow hole got fixed promptly while others (hello months old Java vulnerability) are left for an inexcusable length of time.
I don't want to come across as a Microsoft or Adobe apologist (as jeezz they have their problems) but if people actually bothered to do the monthly updates most of these bot-net issues would not be a problem.
Macs are more expensive (not by as much as some claim if you break down the BoM), Windows does run more software than OSX (bootcamp/VMware <> OSX) and lets wait for the actual numbers, like others have said just the percentage figures, whilst making a nice headline, are meaningless without the raw data behind them.
Anyway, I fear we are treading down a well beaten path here. I see where you are coming from, and whilst I don't agree is it really worth arguing over?
We have been hearing this for years. It's not like OS X has 0.01% market share. It's approaching 10%, which is decent.
One might expect that an OS with nearly 10% market share would have about a 10% share of viruses and malware, right? How is it that OS X has a zero share of viruses or malware? Is it totally impossible that one OS is more secure than the other? If they were exactly as secure, you could expect the malware percentage to scale linearly. When half of incoming college freshmen are buying Macs, then your "hackers still want nothing to do with Apple" stance is just old and tired.
There are nearly 100 million Mac users worldwide. Seems like a decent malware target to me. But still, no malware. Any day now!
Well, this is great news for Apple. With their popularity growing I'm hoping they'll stay on top of security issues within the OS to keep out the malware that will eventually come due to the larger base and better targets (i.e. the government and large Mac using corporations).
I can't wait for the day that Mac+Linux has greater market share than Windows. I think it will be sooner than anyone thinks.
BSOD.
Seriously guys, I just need a mention of the BSOD to get Cliché Bingo.
BSOD.