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So, same Mac-Mini 6,1 I see, nice. What Intel processor are you running in yours?

Looks promising. Especially the part about being able to get macOS Monterrey updates, and everything not breaking.

I'll take a closer look, but really ... are any macOS or Apple ecosystem features missing from your setup?

Reading closer now ... I see it says ... "This means we're able to get near-native experience on many unsupported Macs with Metal GPUs".
But then it says: Supported Models / MacMini 6,1 / Comment: Everything is supported

... but we don't have a Metal-GPU in ours.
EVERYTHING that I have been using (Apps) works so far, even running the Server App. too. Handoff/Continuity all Good. I am in the process of upgrading the WiFi to a better, 802.11ac card. The newest OCLP is a game changer with the GUI, it detects if there is a OCLP update and in general, all of the macOS updates should be seemless...but you know, something might work today, and Apple might break it in a later update. ?
 

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Yes, this is helpful, thanks.

Yeah, mine says No for Trim-Support. Pretty sure it used to say Yes ( back on those last versions of OS-X ).
However, mine does (properly) say it is using AHCI and since it's a SSD ... it DID get converted to APFS during that relevant macOS upgrade a while back.

I don't use my (native boot and dedicated partition of ) BootCamp Windows-10 much any more, but I think I'm going to boot it up now, and see if there is a firmware upgrade available for this old Kingston SSD. I'll also try verifying it's "Trim Active Status" while in Windows. I might even be able to run a manual Trash-Collection ?
It's worth noting, SOME SSD's simply do not support TRIM. Having said that, most of the mainstream Samsung SSD do/should, especially the 2.5" SATA.
  • Open the Terminal from /Applications/Utilities.
  • Type sudo trimforce enable and hit return or enter.
  • Carefully read the important notice and if you still wish to proceed, hit Y.
  • If you would like to disable TRIM, you can use the command sudo trimforce disable.
 
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So, here is the Trim article I read all those years ago.

Also, why I installed the Kingston V300 SSD (I already had on hand) in my Mac-Mini. It had a SandForce 2281 controller like the OWC drive. And finally, why I never worried about turning-on Trim (he said it wasn't necessary).

 
It's worth noting, SOME SSD's simple do not support TRIM. Having said that, most of the mainstream Samsung SSD do/should, especially the 2.5" SATA.
  • Open the Terminal from /Applications/Utilities.
  • Type sudo trimforce enable and hit return or enter.
  • Carefully read the important notice and if you still wish to proceed, hit Y.
  • If you would like to disable TRIM, you can use the command sudo trimforce disable.

I tried it and chickened-out. That was a scary message. I would not mind a bit more speed, but I don't want to lose any data or corrupt any files. That would just cause more work for me.

I'm not sure what it was asking or warning me of?

Can I enable it, let it optimize the drive somehow (without messing-up anything), and then turn it back off again? Would that be better on a non-Samsung SSD (with non-authorized SandForce-2281 controller)? Or, not safe either ?
 
So, here is the Trim article I read all those years ago.

Also, why I installed the Kingston V300 SSD (I already had on hand) in my Mac-Mini. It had a SandForce 2281 controller like the OWC drive. And finally, why I never worried about turning-on Trim (he said it wasn't necessary).


I have a reply about this here.


My Samsung doesn't get TRIM automatically. I have to enable it on every OS X (and macOS) I use (the newest I choose to stay with for this Mac is Mojave).
 
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So, here is the Trim article I read all those years ago.

Also, why I installed the Kingston V300 SSD (I already had on hand) in my Mac-Mini. It had a SandForce 2281 controller like the OWC drive. And finally, why I never worried about turning-on Trim (he said it wasn't necessary).

OWC might have some additional logic in their controllers, but I've never seen an article yet, where TRIM has been stated to be a bad thing, turn on only if needed, etc. etc.

But given that Apple themselves, enables TRIM on their own devices, and don't necessarily automatically support it on 3rd party drives, really isn't a show stopper, this has been long ago validated with the various TRIM Enablers out there for macOS.

"I tried it and chickened-out. That was a scary message. I would not mind a bit more speed, but I don't want to lose any data or corrupt any files. That would just cause more work for me.

I'm not sure what it was asking or warning me of?"

---> This is the usual "Disclaimer" CYA. I've not in my IT years heard of such a loss of data, but you know how it goes, you should always have a current backup, and doing so generally makes this CYA message moot.

Can I enable it, let it optimize the drive somehow (without messing-up anything), and then turn it back off again? Would that be better on a non-Samsung SSD (with non-authorized SandForce-2281 controller)? Or, not safe either ?

---> Given the point of TRIM, though you COULD do what you are suggesting here, there wouldn't be any logical point to do so.



From my experiences, 99.99% of all SSD support TRIM, and WinWoes 10/11 enable it by default, given the benefits overall, it's worthy to enable. It's a pity there isn't a way to do "Over Provisioning" in macOS, that has it's benefits too, seems none of the SSD MFG's even have the comparable "Dashboard" App for macOS as they do WinWoes and Firmware update functionality.
 
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Yes, this is helpful, thanks.

Yeah, mine says No for Trim-Support. Pretty sure it used to say Yes ( back on those last versions of OS-X ).
However, mine does (properly) say it is using AHCI and since it's a SSD ... it DID get converted to APFS during that relevant macOS upgrade a while back.

I don't use my (native boot and dedicated partition of ) BootCamp Windows-10 much any more, but I think I'm going to boot it up now, and see if there is a firmware upgrade available for this old Kingston SSD. I'll also try verifying it's "Trim Active Status" while in Windows. I might even be able to run a manual Trash-Collection ?

So, I booted-up my Windows-10 Bootcamp, searched around the Internet a bit and found a firmware upgrade for my:

Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 240gb SSD (SandForce 2281 controller). Current Firmware: 520ABBF0

- I managed to upgraded the firmware from 520ABBF0 to 603ABBF0. So, now I have:

Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 240gb SSD (SandForce 2281 controller). Current Firmware: 603ABBF0
 
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So, here is the Trim article I read all those years ago.

Also, why I installed the Kingston V300 SSD (I already had on hand) in my Mac-Mini. It had a SandForce 2281 controller like the OWC drive. And finally, why I never worried about turning-on Trim (he said it wasn't necessary).


Here is a new OWC article 1.5 years later (just now reading this myself).


So, back then, the OWC-SSDs were using SandForce controllers:


So, this is promising because OWC is saying their (SandForce controller) SSDs can use Apples Trim functionality without problem. It's also fairly obvious that their SSDs were either very-close to Kingston drives or possibly even "rebranded drives". Notice in the Comment Section for the above OWC article. They are talking about firmware version for their OWC-SSD's but they just so happen to be the same as my Kingston V300 SSD firmware versions.

Q1. ELECTRA SSD ... from the old 506ABBF0 to the newest 603ABBF0.

Q2. is that recommended for SSDs with current revision 522ABBF0? Would that bring any performance improvement or would it be the same?

A2: If your OWC SSD Firmware revision contains xxxABBF0, then 603ABBF0 is the most up-to-date revision. It is recommended to update the firmware whenever a new one is released. This will guarantee that your SSD is running flawlessly.
 
OWC might have some additional logic in their controllers, but I've never seen an article yet, where TRIM has been stated to be a bad thing, turn on only if needed, etc. etc.

But given that Apple themselves, enables TRIM on their own devices, and don't necessarily automatically support it on 3rd party drives, really isn't a show stopper, this has been long ago validated with the various TRIM Enablers out there for macOS.

---> This is the usual "Disclaimer" CYA. I've not in my IT years heard of such a loss of data, but you know how it goes, you should always have a current backup, and doing so generally makes this CYA message moot.

From my experiences, 99.99% of all SSD support TRIM, and WinWoes 10/11 enable it by default, given the benefits overall, it's worthy to enable. It's a pity there isn't a way to do "Over Provisioning" in macOS, that has it's benefits too, seems none of the SSD MFG's even have the comparable "Dashboard" App for macOS as they do WinWoes and Firmware update functionality.

Thanks. All good info. So, I think I'm going to go ahead and try turning it on. Writes are getting slower over the years. Now it's down around 200. And if I understand correctly, this slowness is irreversible.

Yes, when I was in BootCamp-ed Windows-10, I brought up the Disk Management and also noticed no Over-Provisioning. The only saving grace on this particular SSD is that they are 7% OP from factory (that is why it is sold as a 240gb, but it's really a 256gb).

Maybe that is how you can OP a SSD in macOS. Create a small BC-partition (it will put it toward end of drive), and then delete it. Hmm.
 
Here is a new OWC article 1.5 years later (just now reading this myself).


So, back then, the OWC-SSDs were using SandForce controllers:


So, this is promising because OWC is saying their (SandForce controller) SSDs can use Apples Trim functionality without problem. It's also fairly obvious that their SSDs were either very-close to Kingston drives or possibly even "rebranded drives". Notice in the Comment Section for the above OWC article. They are talking about firmware version for their OWC-SSD's but they just so happen to be the same as my Kingston V300 SSD firmware versions.

Q1. ELECTRA SSD ... from the old 506ABBF0 to the newest 603ABBF0.

Q2. is that recommended for SSDs with current revision 522ABBF0? Would that bring any performance improvement or would it be the same?

A2: If your OWC SSD Firmware revision contains xxxABBF0, then 603ABBF0 is the most up-to-date revision. It is recommended to update the firmware whenever a new one is released. This will guarantee that your SSD is running flawlessly.

Obviously updates for anything/anywhere can cause issues...look at the litany of WinWoes updates over the years that have ranged from minor to major, and though it's impossible to do the granularity of regression tested to ensure 99.99% reliability, due to all the possible hardware combinations...new, old, and software/application variances -- I'd suggest that anytime there is a BIOS/FIRMWARE update for your hard, be it a motherboard or SSD, you should always do it! Those updates are there for a reason, to resolve a document issue, and though you might not be having that issue at that moment, doesn't mean you couldn't later. So much of the time, these updates are for performance, compatibility, reliability and security. We are only going to get the superficial "Changelog" of what's really inside.

Good thing you had the BooCamp partition, made that upgrade easier.

Samsung, at least now has an ISO image you can burn to a USB for booting into a SSD Firmware upgrade environment, but it wasn't that long ago, they had nothing. I would always take out the SSD, hook it up to a WinWoes machine, and run the Dashboard, Update as applicable.

It's interesting, most NVMe/M.2 SSD never see Firmware Updates, no idea why/how those differ so, and don't get the same lov'in as their SATA cousins. ?
 
It's worth noting, SOME SSD's simply do not support TRIM. Having said that, most of the mainstream Samsung SSD do/should, especially the 2.5" SATA.
  • Open the Terminal from /Applications/Utilities.
  • Type sudo trimforce enable and hit return or enter.
  • Carefully read the important notice and if you still wish to proceed, hit Y.
  • If you would like to disable TRIM, you can use the command sudo trimforce disable.

Ok, I enabled Trim with TrimForce command and it's still boots and runs programs, so I got that going for me.

I do see now in Catalina > System Information > SATA > Trim Support = YES
And it survives a reboot.

Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 240gb SSD (SandForce 2281 controller). Current Firmware: 603ABBF0
BlackMagic Speed Test (5gb - first test after fresh boot)
write=235/501=read

Thanks again to you and everyone for the help. Hopefully, the Writes won't get much slower.

I guess most everyone has seen the Mac Studio by now. Looks pretty awesome to me. Maybe now we will start seeing some inexpensive trade-in/refurbs of M1-MacMinis over at OWC?

That is more my speed. Like in CaddyShack:

Carl: What's your address? You're on Briar, right?
Ty: Briar, yeah. Number 2.
Carl: Do you have a pool?
Ty: A pool and a pond. A pond would be good for you. Natural spring water.
Carl: Anything would be good.
 
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Ok, I enabled Trim with TrimForce command and it's still boots and runs programs, so I got that going for me.

I do see now in Catalina > System Information > SATA > Trim Support = YES
And it survives a reboot.

Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 240gb SSD (SandForce 2281 controller). Current Firmware: 603ABBF0
BlackMagic Speed Test (5gb - first test after fresh boot)
write=235/501=read

Thanks again to you and everyone for the help. Hopefully, the Writes won't get much slower.

I guess most everyone has seen the Mac Studio by now. Looks pretty awesome to me. Maybe now we will start seeing some inexpensive trade-in/refurbs of M1-MacMinis over at OWC?

That is more my speed. Like in CaddyShack:

Carl: What's your address? You're on Briar, right?
Ty: Briar, yeah. Number 2.
Carl: Do you have a pool?
Ty: A pool and a pond. A pond would be good for you. Natural spring water.
Carl: Anything would be good.
You probably won't see immediate improvement in the first boot after enabling TRIM. Those deleted files before TRIM getting enabled are still oblivious to the SSD controller until their locations are replaced with new data and get deleted to make them free. Personally I would not hurry the process (by creating large files then delete them) since that will unnecessarily create wear and tear. I would just use it normally.
 
You probably won't see immediate improvement in the first boot after enabling TRIM ... I would just use it normally.

Right.

So, you think that now that Trim is forced-on, it will gradually start getting back closer to it's normal speed?

I thought the slowness was permanent.
 
So, you think that now that Trim is forced-on, it will gradually start getting back closer to it's normal speed?
Yes. And I would leave at least about 20-30% space of the drive empty for optimal write performance.
 
Yes. And I would leave at least about 20-30% space of the drive empty for optimal write performance.
Oh, great.

I do have some free space. However, not sure how much as about 30% of the 240gb SSD drive is dedicated to the BootCamp partition.
 
Are you guys still around?

My Mac-Mini 6,1 (Late 2012) has always had 4gb RAM installed. OWC finally had the memory I need on-sale, so I bought 2 new DIMMs.
Gonna install it soon. I've only had it open once before (about 10 years ago when it was a new ... I upgraded the internal HDD to Kingston-SSD) so I figure I'll blow-it-out with the air compressor while I have it open on bottom.

But my question is ... it there a good/thorough ram-memory test I can run on it after I install the new DIMMs ? On my Windows computers, I usually run a couple of long-passes of bootable Memtest86.com on them just to be sure everything is working 100%. Anyone ever do something like that on their Macs?
 
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Can you run memtest86 when your booted into windows? If so that should be good enough to see if your ram is working correctly.
 
Are you guys still around?

My Mac-Mini 6,1 (Late 2012) has always had 4gb RAM installed. OWC finally had the memory I need on-sale, so I bought 2 new DIMMs.
Gonna install it soon. I've only had it open once before (about 10 years ago when it was a new ... I upgraded the internal HDD to Kingston-SSD) so I figure I'll blow-it-out with the air compressor while I have it open on bottom.

But my question is ... it there a good/thorough ram-memory test I can run on it after I install the new DIMMs ? On my Windows computers, I usually run a couple of long-passes of bootable Memtest86.com on them just to be sure everything is working 100%. Anyone ever do something like that on their Macs?
If you have the original install discs with your Mac Mini, there should be an AHT on there with a Memory test. Otherwise just run memtest86 if you're used to that. It works on Mac Minis.
 
OK, so 2-3 possibilities suggested, thanks.
I'm going to find a good way to do it, and then do it now (before the upgrade) to see how it's suppose to work normally.

Never heard-of (or had a reason to use) AHT before. But, I found this:

However, I tried starting/powering-up the Mac-Mini with both "D Key" and "Option-D keys" held down. Both start some kind of "Internet Diagnostics" but both ways just give the error:
Error: 0x8000000000000000003, Cannot Load 'EFI/Drivers/TestSupport.efi'
Status: 0x00000003
 
Are you guys still around?

My Mac-Mini 6,1 (Late 2012) has always had 4gb RAM installed. OWC finally had the memory I need on-sale, so I bought 2 new DIMMs.
Gonna install it soon. I've only had it open once before (about 10 years ago when it was a new ... I upgraded the internal HDD to Kingston-SSD) so I figure I'll blow-it-out with the air compressor while I have it open on bottom.

But my question is ... it there a good/thorough ram-memory test I can run on it after I install the new DIMMs ? On my Windows computers, I usually run a couple of long-passes of bootable Memtest86.com on them just to be sure everything is working 100%. Anyone ever do something like that on their Macs?
As long as the OWC memory was rated for your make/model, it's likely fine. If you are running macOS with al of it's original partitions, you can just turn off the system totally...when power own and immediately press and hole the "D" key, until you see the status bar, you can then let go. This will either run the AHT or prompt you to connect to WiFi for the online diagnostics, depending on your installed OS. Of course, as has already been indicated, you can run memtest86 as well, I would just get the newest free version and not an ancient one. https://www.memtest86.com/

BTW, I'm running macOS Ventura 13.1 on my 2012 with no discernible issues (Updated since your 4-Oct-2020 inquiry)
I am in the process of upgrading its WiFi to a BT 4.x / 802.11ac as well, a minor mod. Still a very worthy machine, especially with the Samsung SSD. 😎

Cheers
 
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As long as the OWC memory was rated for your make/model, it's likely fine. If you are running macOS with al of it's original partitions, you can just turn off the system totally...when power own and immediately press and hole the "D" key, until you see the status bar, you can then let go. This will either run the AHT or prompt you to connect to WiFi for the online diagnostics, depending on your installed OS. Of course, as has already been indicated, you can run memtest86 as well, I would just get the newest free version and not an ancient one. https://www.memtest86.com/

BTW, I'm running macOS Ventura 13.1 on my 2012 with no discernible issues. I am in the process of upgrading its WiFi to a BT 4.x / 802.11ac as well, a minor mod. Still a very worthy machine, especially with the Samsung SSD. 😎

Cheers
I agree about the OWC memory likely being fine (that's kinda why I bought it there). However, this procedure is just what I've always done on my WinTel machines. About 10% of the time, something is not quite right. If you don't catch it now it causes some major problems later (and yes, Memtest86 will catch it).

Yeah, AHT/Apple-Diagnostics isn't working. It looks like we have to download the old AHT version and create a bootable-USB for it (so it loads locally, and doesn't try to go to the Internet for the newer Apple-Diagnostics).

My first thought it to move-on to tying memtest86 as the solution for a "thorough memory test". However, as our old Intel-based Mac-Minis age, this might be something good to have working and ready to use in the future. If I have time, I think I will circle-back and try to create a bootable AHT USB after-all.

 
I agree about the OWC memory likely being fine (that's kinda why I bought it there). However, this procedure is just what I've always done on my WinTel machines. About 10% of the time, something is not quite right. If you don't catch it now it causes some major problems later (and yes, Memtest86 will catch it).

Yeah, AHT/Apple-Diagnostics isn't working. It looks like we have to download the old AHT version and create a bootable-USB for it (so it loads locally, and doesn't try to go to the Internet for the newer Apple-Diagnostics).

My first thought it to move-on to tying memtest86 as the solution for a "thorough memory test". However, as our old Intel-based Mac-Minis age, this might be something good to have working and ready to use in the future. If I have time, I think I will circle-back and try to create a bootable AHT USB after-all.

Keep in mind the AHT, is a very superficial test. "Hello hardware test target are you there?" "Yes I am here!" PASSED! The memory test feature is also very superficial tests sequences, memtest86 is by far more extensive and through, if that is your goal.
 
Keep in mind the AHT, is a very superficial test. "Hello hardware test target are you there?" "Yes I am here!" PASSED! The memory test feature is also very superficial tests sequences, memtest86 is by far more extensive and through, if that is your goal.
Oh really? I was hoping for at least a thorough RAM-Pattern-Test. Sounds like it might not be of much use after all (even for other hardware diagnostics in the future).

So, moving on to Memtest86. I'm guessing I can boot it's USB at the Mac-Minis boot-menu (like I BootCamp Windows-10 ?)
 
So, moving on to Memtest86. I'm guessing I can boot it's USB at the Mac-Minis boot-menu (like I BootCamp Windows-10 ?)

Never mind. I was just over at Passmark's MemTest86.com website getting the latest version.
Looks like it's fully-supported on Macs. Who would have thought?

With Christmas and all, might be a little while before I get to try it, but I'll let yall know how it goes.
 
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